Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Fordorsia]

Okay so I may have bit off more than I can chew.

Old stocks and triggers disgust me

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

That's wasn't actually the intention. I was just shit talking. These are legitimate efforts to branch out tho.

I wish you the best of luck in the endevor I suppose.

Anyways I haven't given up doing that post on hot to into terminal ballistics. I just recently discovered how much fun modding Skyrim is, been working awful shifts, and, well, been lazy. It'll be done around the time Samoz makes a storefront.

But samoz already made a storefront. He hid it behind the chemlight batteries and humvee keys.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Okay so I may have bit off more than I can chew.

Old stocks and triggers disgust me

Get some pepto then, because that's the theme this week.

[Puzikas]

Pretty much, but I fucking hate tablets. My job started going "paperless" a few years ago and ive had to carry the shitty thing with me around work for some time.

Which is why I want it mounted on my forearm in a nice 12cmx30cm display landscape or something

Will a 5x12" display even fit on your forearm?

Well, your forearms maybe, but a Johnny Average like myself? Sounds cumbersome. Moreso than carrying the thing.

It would protrude a bit, but not enough to be much of an annoyance for the clerical andor uninvolved care work that is done at my ob. In the military application though its horrid.

I may have overestimated the scale of my forearm to other peoples forearms; I sometimes forget I have proto-gorilla length arms.
But people should get bigger forearms.

Only if the Soviets invade.

Do the Baltics count?

But samoz already made a storefront. He hid it behind the chemlight batteries and humvee keys.

Not that kind of storefront.

[Arkandros]

Will a 5x12" display even fit on your forearm?

Well, your forearms maybe, but a Johnny Average like myself? Sounds cumbersome. Moreso than carrying the thing.

It would protrude a bit, but not enough to be much of an annoyance for the clerical andor uninvolved care work that is done at my ob. In the military application though its horrid.

I may have overestimated the scale of my forearm to other peoples forearms; I sometimes forget I have proto-gorilla length arms.
But people should get bigger forearms.

Just spitballing here: You could have two integrated screens (basically a dual monitor setup) that run from the same OS and serve a similar purpose. A large screen would be attached to the forearm for in-detail work or large images (battlefield maps, looking up whether or not you got paid, filing your tax return) and a small (3"x3") screen would be attached to the back of the hand with a more simplistic interface, with a handful of inputs that would be relayed to your allies/CO. Commands like "hostiles here" and "mortar fire requested there" would be given from the small screen with a single button, allowing ease of use for footsoldiers, while commanding officers would primarily use the larger forearm pad to look at the overall region and see where hostiles/allies are located.
EDIT: this system would, of course, only be deployed in the year 2280 (alongside power armor and laser rifles) because no nation would be willing to pay the cost-per-unit.

[Imperializt Russia]

A back-of-hand screen seems even less useful. 3x3" is larger than your hand (or thereabouts) and you'd have to drop your weapon to use it.
Just, tablets.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Pretty much as Samoz says.

[Imperializt Russia]

Disclaimer - I don't even own a tablet.
I just honestly think a full-size, full-capability tablet will be more useful.

[Korva]

Each squad leader gets an abacus so they can count the months left on their contract and wonder why they didn't go to college.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

That raises a question, for me at least. If I were to issue tablets to Azurgan platoon/section commanders, what would they be used for? I suppose real time maps and the like, but I can't see much else for them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Maps, radio, orders, fire control (of supporting arms).
I don't see it adding a great deal of utility, but the major reason the air force (and commercial airlines) started introducing tablets was to cut down on paper charts. It's of greater utility to pilots and aircrew where there is a lot of information, much of it visual, that does need to be kept track of.

[Spirit of Hope]

Each squad leader gets an abacus so they can count the months left on their contract and wonder why they didn't go to college.

Except the lieutenant wonders why he did go to college for this. Given his higher education he shouldn't doesn't need the abacus to figure out how much time he has left.

Consider the screen size, keyboard layout, ergonomics of its positioning on the wrist and likelihood of being damaged on the wrist.
What mitigates basically all of these? Carrying a legit iPad.

Eh. I'm partial to the idea of a convenient PDA like device for NCOs and unit commands, having it mounted on the non-dominate position makes sense, but not in an MT setting really, since its liable to break. You'd need strong materials, touchscreens, self healing glass, ect. in order to actually make it practical. All of these are totally possible now, just very expensive and cost-prohibitive in a sense.

In the year 2030 though, who knows.

I already give all of my soldiers a PDA/smartphone thing, as I imagined it had built in radio and GPS along with other functions. Officers get a tablet as well. To keep costs down I figured on not bothering to make them to tough. If they break they break and you get a replacement. Then again I am an idiot so this might not work.

That raises a question, for me at least. If I were to issue tablets to Azurgan platoon/section commanders, what would they be used for? I suppose real time maps and the like, but I can't see much else for them.

Potentially better ability to call support fire and coordinate with nearby units.

[Spreewerke]

Old stocks and triggers disgust me

Get some pepto then, because that's the theme this week.

Now, I don't know what caliber this thing would be in, but it's probably one of the few firearms that can't be improved by rechambering it to 7.92x57mm IS. My best guess would be ~31-caliber ball, though.



Art could benefit from a rehaul.

[Purpelia]

What is the smallest possible small arm cartridge?

[Tulacia]

What is the smallest possible small arm cartridge?

I think the 5.56mm that the M16 was originally chambered in.

EDIT: I'm thinking military rounds here, so the 2mm Kolibri doesn't count.

[Imperializt Russia]

What is the smallest possible small arm cartridge?

2mm Kolibri, but it's probably technically possible to go smaller.

[Tulacia]

Get some pepto then, because that's the theme this week.

Now, I don't know what caliber this thing would be in, but it's probably one of the few firearms that can't be improved by rechambering it to 7.92x57mm IS. My best guess would be ~31-caliber ball, though.



Art could benefit from a rehaul.

Kind of reminds me of the US M1917 revolver.

[Purpelia]

What is the smallest possible small arm cartridge?

2mm Kolibri, but it's probably technically possible to go smaller.

I wonder how far though. I mean, at some point you probably won't be able to manufacture them. Like, say we were to use the same tech used for microchips to make a microbullet.

[Velkanika]

Now, I don't know what caliber this thing would be in, but it's probably one of the few firearms that can't be improved by rechambering it to 7.92x57mm IS. My best guess would be ~31-caliber ball, though.



Art could benefit from a rehaul.

Kind of reminds me of the US M1917 revolver.

Oh please, that looks more like a FAMAS.

[Aethal]

Now, I don't know what caliber this thing would be in, but it's probably one of the few firearms that can't be improved by rechambering it to 7.92x57mm IS. My best guess would be ~31-caliber ball, though.

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Art could benefit from a rehaul.

Kind of reminds me of the US M1917 revolver.

> Is Cap & Ball

> Sure looks like it's from 1917................

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Missed this earlier, sorry.

Disclaimer - I don't even own a tablet.
I just honestly think a full-size, full-capability tablet will be more useful.

As someone who's played with various flavors of tablet I feel comfortable saying that full sized tablets, while overall more tedious to use, are significantly more useful than mobiles.

Maps, radio, orders, fire control (of supporting arms).

But I've got, you know, maps and radios for that stuff.

I don't see it adding a great deal of utility, but the major reason the air force (and commercial airlines) started introducing tablets was to cut down on paper charts. It's of greater utility to pilots and aircrew where there is a lot of information, much of it visual, that does need to be kept track of.

Ah, air force. That makes more sense.

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Potentially better ability to call support fire and coordinate with nearby units.

I'll be honest, it doesn't seem to justify the expense.

That said, it'd be pretty neat to equip everyone with something like a Neptune Duo. Give the grunts the watch and Bluetooth headset and they've got access to basic navigation and comms. Give them the screen to go with it and they can actually read their maps, call fire support and probably surf bad-dragon or some shit.

Replace the normal scree with the tablet version for commanders and you're golden.

[Purpelia]

Why do the grunts need to navigate anyway? The squad commander should be navigating them. And if he dies they can just pick up his tablet. How often are soldiers going to get lost in the field?

[Fordorsia]

Fancy pants Nirvashians don't even stand a chance against fancy pants Fordorsians

[Imperializt Russia]

Why do the grunts need to navigate anyway? The squad commander should be navigating them. And if he dies they can just pick up his tablet. How often are soldiers going to get lost in the field?

"...and for the record, I'm pretty sure I just invaded Laos. And I swear to God, Chi. Mention the compass again, and just see what happens."

[Puzikas]

What is the smallest possible small arm cartridge?

Define "possible". Effective or possible? Because if they can make guitars a 6 nanometers, you can make a cartridge smaller than you can conceive.

I think the 5.56mm that the M16 was originally chambered in.

EDIT: I'm thinking military rounds here, so the 2mm Kolibri doesn't count.

As oppsed to...what, the round the M16 is currently chambered in? 5.56x45mm NATO?

Why do the grunts need to navigate anyway? The squad commander should be navigating them. And if he dies they can just pick up his tablet. How often are soldiers going to get lost in the field?

>squad Commander
>Navigation

Yeah fucking right. Thats the fucking GICs job. Im navigating my ass back into the BMP, tap on the door if you need me.