Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Erusuia]

Why not a heavy sapper APC?

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Can I make a heavy IFV version?

Go ahead, I'd recon that out relations are pretty good and I'm always looking for arms sales opportunities

[Questers]

BMP-1 is elite tier

Was quite the thing for its time, must be said

if I recall correctly its main gun with HEAT ammo could penetrate the frontal armor of the eras MBTs

Most of them, not Chiefy though.

It couldn't hit shit past 500 metres though. If the gun was accurate it would still be useful today for popping IFVs and MBTs from the side.

[Padnak]

Was quite the thing for its time, must be said

if I recall correctly its main gun with HEAT ammo could penetrate the frontal armor of the eras MBTs

Most of them, not Chiefy though.

It couldn't hit shit past 500 metres though. If the gun was accurate it would still be useful today for popping IFVs and MBTs from the side.

Hmmm

I think I have an idea...

Why not take a BMP-1, then install a modern fire control system?

And or, why not create a modern gun of the same type but with a longer barrel so that the projectile flies a little straighter

[Imperializt Russia]

What is the best materiel for armour? e.g. ceramic

Steel.
As a backing for more exotic stuff you hang over it.

Ceramics (also glass, diesel, treated wood pulp) are effective at disrupting the HEAT jet effect. IIRC they're not quite as effective against KEPs, but still effective. What you want to do is induce a yaw.
ERA is, IIRC, equally effective against KEPs or HEAT (though specialist ERAs can be developed to be of greater effect against either).

Challenge, can you use pink camo?

The SAS thought highly of pink camouflage in WWII in the North African campaign, and were still using it at the turn of the century for their jeeps. Deserts apparently have a pink haze.

There's also a pink haze at high (for prop aircraft) altitude - reconnaissance Spitfires were painted in a pink scheme in WWII.

IDK, do you even need flamethrower troops in the first place?

The Russians have specialist flamethrower troops, since TOS-1 is supposedly chemical defence use, whatever that actually means, and RPO-A is issued to general infantry.
Don't see why TOS-1 or equivalent can't sit in a large-formation artillery unit to be shunted to whatever has hard targets to fight.

Or are we asking if flamethrower weapons are useful, here?

[The Kievan People]

Flamethrowers are part of the Russian chemical troops. It isn't terribly complicated.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm sure you must have explained this to me before, but why is this even necessary?
Why not just consolidate them into places where specialist artillery sits like the Army or the Front?

[Korva]

Why not take a BMP-1, then install a modern fire control system?

And or, why not create a modern gun of the same type but with a longer barrel so that the projectile flies a little straighter

an rpg launcher isn't ever gonna be very accurate

A better solution is a 30mm cannon with an ATGM on top to hit anything beyond that.

[The Kievan People]

I'm sure you must have explained this to me before, but why is this even necessary?
Why not just consolidate them into places where specialist artillery sits like the Army or the Front?

Because they aren't artillery?

[Imperializt Russia]

Surely Buratino is no less "artillery" than Gvozdika?

[Eldslandet]

Most of them, not Chiefy though.

It couldn't hit shit past 500 metres though. If the gun was accurate it would still be useful today for popping IFVs and MBTs from the side.

Hmmm

I think I have an idea...

Why not take a BMP-1, then install a modern fire control system?

And or, why not create a modern gun of the same type but with a longer barrel so that the projectile flies a little straighter

OK but the BMP-1s gun is just a modified RPG-7 so yeah. But if you mounted it with a tube for launching something like a TOW2 for example it would do ok. The main problem for the BMP-1 is that it is easily destroyed and the side armour can be penetrated with 12.7mm

[Imperializt Russia]

It'd be more correct to suggest the Grom were a modified SPG-9. It shares very little in common with the RPG-7 launcher.

[Eldslandet]

Sorry yeah got the guns mixed up yeah its similar to the SPG-9

[Eldslandet]

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[Eldslandet]

The SPG-9 has armour penetration values of up to 400mm using HEAT ammo. The BMP-1 mounts a 2A20 the only difference being in the propellant. The effective range for a SPG-9 is 800 metres.

[Freihafen]

Most of them, not Chiefy though.

It couldn't hit shit past 500 metres though. If the gun was accurate it would still be useful today for popping IFVs and MBTs from the side.

Hmmm

I think I have an idea...

Why not take a BMP-1, then install a modern fire control system?

And or, why not create a modern gun of the same type but with a longer barrel so that the projectile flies a little straighter

Unfortunately 2A28 is just a glorified SPG-9. A longer-barreled version of the 2A28 called 'Zarnitsa' with a longer effective range was actually developed, but passed over in favor of the 2A42 due to the even greater effective range.

Which brings us to another point: an improved BMP-1 already exists, and its called BMP-2.

[Triplebaconation]

Surely Buratino is no less "artillery" than Gvozdika?

I don't understand why you think this is so bizarre. Chemical warfare services have always been responsible for developing and using flame and smoke weapons.

[Ragnarum]

Aside from gun launched missiles and HMG's, what would be the best AA weaponry you could stick on a MBT and still maintain practicality?

[The Kievan People]

Fake edit: The mysterious "Triplebaconation" strikes again...

Surely Buratino is no less "artillery" than Gvozdika?

I think I see now. When I asked if flamethrower troops were necessary it wasn't a trick question.

The original question was essentially "Why does the BMO-T exist", which I answered. It meets the special needs of flamethrower squads in the Russian Army. But then Soode asked if the BMO-T was necessary at all and that begs the question: does your NS army have anything like the flamethrower squads in the Russian Army and does it actually need them? Using the RPO or an equivalent does not necessarily imply having whole squads armed with them. Without flamethrower squads there is obviously no need for a BMO-T to carry them.

[Elan Valleys]

Challenge, can you use pink camo?

The SAS thought highly of pink camouflage in WWII in the North African campaign, and were still using it at the turn of the century for their jeeps. Deserts apparently have a pink haze.

There's also a pink haze at high (for prop aircraft) altitude - reconnaissance Spitfires were painted in a pink scheme in WWII.

Low altitude, to blend in with sunrise/sunset on the underside of the clouds.

[Imperializt Russia]

Of course, the camera wouldn't have been effective at high altitude.

[Elan Valleys]

Of course, the camera wouldn't have been effective at high altitude.

High altitude reconnaissance was done at 40000+ ft and took vertical images through the bottom of the fuselage. These planes were painted a light blue colour.

Low level reconnaissance was at 100ft and took images at an angle through the side of the fuselage. This was the method used to identify the radar at Bruneval.

In GW1, the RAF painted its Tornadoes and Jaguars pink too for low level strikes over the desert.

[Imperializt Russia]

Huh. I thought very high-altitude photographic reconnaissance didn't develop until after the war.

[Thunbergia]

For the win

[The Soodean Imperium]

The original question was essentially "Why does the BMO-T exist", which I answered. It meets the special needs of flamethrower squads in the Russian Army. But then Soode asked if the BMO-T was necessary at all and that begs the question: does your NS army have anything like the flamethrower squads in the Russian Army and does it actually need them? Using the RPO or an equivalent does not necessarily imply having whole squads armed with them. Without flamethrower squads there is obviously no need for a BMO-T to carry them.

Oh, I see. So, in short, my other option would be to distribute thermobaric rocket-launchers among my ground troops. I already give two thermobaric warheads to each squad's RPG element, and I guess I could switch out one of the disposable AT launchers for a thermobaric "variant." I'll keep my options open (OOCly) for now, right now my region is doing a pretty big map-and-population revision and my strategic situation looks like it's going to be very different from what it was before.

Another question, though, building off of this discussion. Would it be better to issue thermobaric rockets to assault engineer units, given that they're useful for clearing out manned defenses? Or is there a particular reason why they always end up in NBC Defense units?

[Maverica]

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For the win

Sir. You do know smoothbore tank guns can fire anti tank missiles out of the barrel. So no need for anti tank missiles mounted on the tank.