Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Gallia-]

It's a "new" 125 mm gun that is probably just built to handle higher pressures.

It's also unlikely Russia will ever be able to afford to replace T-90 with it.

[Questers]

2A46M3 then firing Svinets-3.

who_cares

[The Kievan People]

By drive between you of course mean take a train right? Purpelia does not have a culture of driving everywhere. Passenger traffic is mostly done by train.

Mind you, it's not like there are 5 canals per kilometer. Basically, think modern day Germany with the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal but without the autobahn.

And the German canal system was disabled mostly as a result of attacks on the trains, not the autobahn.

[New Visegrad]

Yeah that would be literally awful.

Why? It's not like you need to cross anywhere but inside cities and along major railroad lines and the like.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't river/canal traffic hilariously vulnerable to active air suppression? I mean, it's slower than road traffic, it can't maneuver especially well, and if holed it's fucked (unlike trucks which can be salvaged fairly easily if disabled). It can't even get off the main waterway in the event of an airstrike, whereas land vehicles are generally quite capable of running for cover. Plus there aren't that many alternate routes, and those that do exist are really obvious from the air.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't intend to ship my military supplies via rivers. Those are purely for civilian cargo transport. Their only connection to the military is the fact that they represent a constant water obstacle.

if your canal system is the primary means of transport in your nation, it will need to be used for military supplies

[United Marxist Nations]

2A46M3 then firing Svinets-3.

who_cares

It wouldn't be too difficult to build a one piece ammunition for it, would it?

[Celibrae]

The good news is it could still have that 30mm cannon. As I have previously mentioned, there is a noticeably large indent where the coax could be, but in the images it's partially obscured by the main gun.

[Gallia-]

2A46M3 then firing Svinets-3.

who_cares

It's probably at least equal to Rh 120mm given the two guns are contemporary with each other, which isn't surprising considering Rh 120mm and 2A82 are both a decade newer than 2A46. 2A46 is from like 1955, and 2A82 and Rh 120mm are from like 1965, so there's a decade or more of materials engineering and whatever that went into the two.

[Celibrae]

It's a "new" 125 mm gun that is probably just built to handle higher pressures.

It's also unlikely Russia will ever be able to afford to replace T-90 with it.

I seem to remember some sources claiming that Russia had made an order for 3000 for completion in 2020, or something like that.

[Questers]

2A46M3 then firing Svinets-3.

who_cares

It wouldn't be too difficult to build a one piece ammunition for it, would it?

No.

But we don't know the details of the interior yet. If they have designed it to fire two part rounds, they probably won't convert it to single part. To me, it looks like carousel, but we'll just have to see.

Edit: the gun is called 2A82. (Which is funny because I could swear 2A82 was also the name of an autocannon.)

[Questers]

2A46M3 then firing Svinets-3.

who_cares

It's probably at least equal to Rh 120mm given the two guns are contemporary with each other, which isn't surprising considering Rh 120mm and 2A82 are both a decade newer than 2A46. 2A46 is from like 1955, and 2A82 and Rh 120mm are from like 1965, so there's a decade or more of materials engineering and whatever that went into the two.

Well 2A46 isn't a bad gun. Just the ammo.

[United Marxist Nations]

It wouldn't be too difficult to build a one piece ammunition for it, would it?

No.

But we don't know the details of the interior yet. If they have designed it to fire two part rounds, they probably won't convert it to single part. To me, it looks like carousel, but we'll just have to see.

Edit: the gun is called 2A82. (Which is funny because I could swear 2A82 was also the name of an autocannon.)

That's a good point; the turret (which looks a good bit smaller than it did under the tarp) looks too small for a bustle loader. Then again, we don't know much about it.

[Rich and Corporations]

I've been thinking.

I see Elan Valleys as a small country surrounded by large neighbours both in size and population, so I'd likely be outnumbered massively in any conflict and can't trade a huge amount of space for time.

Would it therefore be a good idea to base the MBT I'm working on on the Merkava?

Import your MBT from a neighboring country, and draw up secret plans to evacuate your government to a city far away from the conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_c ... rld_War_II

Edit: the gun is called 2A82. (Which is funny because I could swear 2A82 was also the name of an autocannon.)

perhaps the official report made a typo?

And the German canal system was disabled mostly as a result of attacks on the trains, not the autobahn.

o.o

what's the difference between a rail bridge and a road bridge?

[Elan Valleys]

Yeah that would be literally awful.

Why? It's not like you need to cross anywhere but inside cities and along major railroad lines and the like.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't river/canal traffic hilariously vulnerable to active air suppression? I mean, it's slower than road traffic, it can't maneuver especially well, and if holed it's fucked (unlike trucks which can be salvaged fairly easily if disabled). It can't even get off the main waterway in the event of an airstrike, whereas land vehicles are generally quite capable of running for cover. Plus there aren't that many alternate routes, and those that do exist are really obvious from the air.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't intend to ship my military supplies via rivers. Those are purely for civilian cargo transport. Their only connection to the military is the fact that they represent a constant water obstacle.

If you are transporting food for your civilians, fuel for your power plants and any one of the thousands of not military but still important bits of industrial product then a canal campaign would be very effective. If your people have no food then your IFVS being able to float is not really relevant.

[Padnak]

o.o

what's the difference between a rail bridge and a road bridge?

Typically rail bridges are constructed out of steel beams in a Truss configuration which means that when one is hit by bombs or explosives they rarely get turned into rubble that settles on the bottom of the canal like stone or cement bridges. Rail bridge's are much more likely to stay in large pieces that stick up though the water or in some way prevent boats from passing, while not being easily cleared like with stone and cement rubble

[United Marxist Nations]

o.o

what's the difference between a rail bridge and a road bridge?

Typically rail bridges are constructed out of steel beams in a Truss configuration which means that when one is hit by bombs or explosives they rarely get turned into rubble that settles on the bottom of the canal like stone or cement bridges. Rail bridge's are much more likely to stay in large pieces that stick up though the water or in some way prevent boats from passing, while not being easily cleared like with stone and cement rubble

butt kan xplosives melt steal beems???///?????//////?////?

[Padnak]

butt kan xplosives melt steal beems???///?????//////?////?

Yes

Yes then can

[United Marxist Nations]

butt kan xplosives melt steal beems???///?????//////?////?

Yes

Yes then can

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[Malay Raya]

Yes

Yes then can

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[New Vihenia]

TBF it resembles Obj 477 somewhat, and the layout is similar I think. The turret is smaller but that's because it's not an insane big gun I guess.

The only problem is it doesn't have a front mounted engine, so the hull looks very boring and pedestrian instead of Super Sloped Future. Because it is boring and pedestrian.

The real future tank is soon to be here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... model1.jpg

and that's been around since 1980-1990 eh ?

Tbh I think it looks cool. Let's wait for details, though.

Speculating: the gun is what, 125-mm? It's a 2A46? So how about the ammo? It would be fucking hilarious if they built this new tanku and turns out it still uses the 2A46M2 or w/e and it has the same two piece carousel autoloader. It kinda looks like it does. Additionally have not heard of any reports of single piece Russian 125-mm ammo. So either its super secret squirrel or yeah they're still shooting Svinets in which case, who cares?!

Where were you when news about Grifel and 2A82 gun out ?

Grifel
http://s2.uploads.ru/xfEe3.jpg


2A82

[Imperializt Russia]

Tbh I think it looks cool. Let's wait for details, though.

Speculating: the gun is what, 125-mm? It's a 2A46? So how about the ammo? It would be fucking hilarious if they built this new tanku and turns out it still uses the 2A46M2 or w/e and it has the same two piece carousel autoloader. It kinda looks like it does. Additionally have not heard of any reports of single piece Russian 125-mm ammo. So either its super secret squirrel or yeah they're still shooting Svinets in which case, who cares?!

It claims to use a brand new gun (2A80-something?), but almost certainly backwards compatible with the 2A46M ammunition. I mean, the gun has no bore evacuator in any images.

I'm sure I've seen claims that Armata would at some point mount 2A81 too.

[Iltica]

Okay I'm starting to settle into a design for an air portable tank destroyer/light tank ripping off inspired by the RDF/LT from the 1980s which supposedly could kill MBTs with a fairly small gun by firing several rounds in rapid succession.

The biggest changes will be a switch to steel instead of aluminum to reduce burnyness, electric motors instead of a transmission for various reasons, an oscillating turret to (hopefully) improve gun depression, the scary burstfire 76mm will be enlarged to a scary burstfire 80 or 90mm to compensate for armor improvements of the last 30 years, and the tonnage will be increased to around 17-20 tons.
I'm also toying with this thing I call a "bullpup turret" where the firing mechanism is located at the far back end of an oscillating turret so you can have a really long barrel but it only sticks out as much as a normal one but this may cause recoil problems. Elsewhere, a rear turret and crew compartment may help compensate for the thin armor but after doing some research on the Expedtionary Tank I'm worried it will unbalance the vehicle.

What do you guys think? Feel free to pick this all apart.

[Auroya]

Where would the ammo go? I'm guessing it wouldn't be in the bustle with that kind of design.

[The Kievan People]

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.ph ... &p=1165355

Vertically firing smoke grenades and two aimable pedestal launchers.

Clever girl.

Edit: The APS kind of sucks though. No top attack protection, limited angular coverage. Aside from the smaller sensors it doesn't seem to improve fundamentally on Arena. In some ways a step backwards from Trophy...

[New Vihenia]

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39816&p=1165355

Vertically firing smoke grenades and two aimable pedestal launchers.

Clever girl.

Edit: The APS kind of sucks though. No top attack protection, limited angular coverage. Aside from the smaller sensors it doesn't seem to improve fundamentally on Arena. In some ways a step backwards from Trophy...

Well.. what preventing Russians from loading APS munition into that smoke grenade turrets ? I believe top attack missile wouldn't require large "tube" as Drozd like APS around the turret.

[The Kievan People]

They would need new APS munitions and small self guided munitions like that have never really been produced in Russia.

Afganit or whatever it's called should be adequate for conflicts in Russia's near abroad, but the design isn't future proofed at all. Even there though the lack of rear-hemisphere coverage is very questionable in an unconventional/hybrid context.

It's basically an APS designed for the requirements of the 1980s... in 2015.

On the bright side it is still more capable than the US Army's APS which exists only in the land of powerpoint.