Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Celibrae]

Some more pics of the Armata vehicles, courtesy of Atlantica.

[Laywenrania]

Would the MLI-84M be a valid upgrade for replacing your old soviet BMPs or should I rather go with something completly different as tracked IFV?

[The Kievan People]

You say this as if there is a huge network of bridges and roads across these things.

That is inevitable. The more canals there are, the more necessary bridging them becomes.

It is grossly inefficient to ferry things constantly across the width of canals. The only reason they wouldn't be bridged is the NS fiat.

[The Kievan People]

Would the MLI-84M be a valid upgrade for replacing your old soviet BMPs or should I rather go with something completly different as tracked IFV?

No. Romanian vehicles are garbage.

[Laywenrania]

Would the MLI-84M be a valid upgrade for replacing your old soviet BMPs or should I rather go with something completly different as tracked IFV?

No. Romanian vehicles are garbage.

It's more about the idea of mounting a new engine and a overhead 30mm weapon stations with ATGMs to upgrade existing BMP fleets. Not about importing MLI-84M.
And if this idea is also 'garbage', what would you recommend?

[New Vihenia]

So the APS tubes are right below the turret

http://cs624419.vk.me/v624419498/32f62/z40rxdCZONE.jpg

and panoramic sight + RWS

http://cs624419.vk.me/v624419498/32f6b/3lrI_kB3uHA.jpg

Well might not have Autocannon. But we need other side's image to verify.

[Elan Valleys]

I've been thinking.

I see Elan Valleys as a small country surrounded by large neighbours both in size and population, so I'd likely be outnumbered massively in any conflict and can't trade a huge amount of space for time.

Would it therefore be a good idea to base the MBT I'm working on on the Merkava?

[Elan Valleys]

Some more pics of the Armata vehicles, courtesy of Atlantica.

Actual photo:

[Radicchio]

I am thinking of buying a half a dozen dedicated mine and IED detection vehicles from a nation in my region, he has suggested the Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle


It isnt like i am spending a fortune here and i do not have any issues with minefields in my nation, however i really want to have crews trained for the task of detection and removal so that i can "loan" the to some other nations in my region who have wars that are winding down and will be left with significant mine issues.

What are our opinions here?

[Yukonastan]

Guys, please. Can we give spoiler warnings for the Armata pics? I want to be surprised at the Victory Day parade.

[Celibrae]

So the APS tubes are right below the turret

http://cs624419.vk.me/v624419498/32f62/z40rxdCZONE.jpg

and panoramic sight + RWS

http://cs624419.vk.me/v624419498/32f6b/3lrI_kB3uHA.jpg

Well might not have Autocannon. But we need other side's image to verify.

There is an indent on the other side, so I wouldn't rule it out.

[New Vihenia]

There is an indent on the other side, so I wouldn't rule it out.

yes.. one large indent. Probably mountings for whatever modular including autocannon.

[Celibrae]

There is an indent on the other side, so I wouldn't rule it out.

yes.. one large indent. Probably mountings for whatever modular including autocannon.

You can't see it in that picture, but there seems to be a indented panel to the right of the main gun, where the coax would be. There could be a autocannon built into the turret there.

[Purpelia]

You say this as if there is a huge network of bridges and roads across these things.

A single dumb bomb can put a canal out of commission for a long time. A vaguely organised campaign will blow enough holes that even when you can repair it you've lost thousands of hours of transport capability.

A hit on a canal tunnel will put it out of action for the duration of a modern war.

I don't know what kind of canals you are talking about. But the ones I speak of are basically as wide as rivers. It would take an atomic bomb to ruin those.

You say this as if there is a huge network of bridges and roads across these things.

That is inevitable. The more canals there are, the more necessary bridging them becomes.

It is grossly inefficient to ferry things constantly across the width of canals. The only reason they wouldn't be bridged is the NS fiat.

They would be bridged, but not everywhere. There would be a relatively small number of railway bridges in important spots, and of course in every city. But that's it.

[The Kievan People]

They would be bridged, but not everywhere. There would be a relatively small number of railway bridges in important spots, and of course in every city. But that's it.

Yeah that would be literally awful.

[New Visegrad]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't river/canal traffic hilariously vulnerable to active air suppression? I mean, it's slower than road traffic, it can't maneuver especially well, and if holed it's fucked (unlike trucks which can be salvaged fairly easily if disabled). It can't even get off the main waterway in the event of an airstrike, whereas land vehicles are generally quite capable of running for cover. Plus there aren't that many alternate routes, and those that do exist are really obvious from the air.

[Auroya]

Oops I bombed your canal.

Now wat do?

[Purpelia]

They would be bridged, but not everywhere. There would be a relatively small number of railway bridges in important spots, and of course in every city. But that's it.

Yeah that would be literally awful.

Why? It's not like you need to cross anywhere but inside cities and along major railroad lines and the like.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't river/canal traffic hilariously vulnerable to active air suppression? I mean, it's slower than road traffic, it can't maneuver especially well, and if holed it's fucked (unlike trucks which can be salvaged fairly easily if disabled). It can't even get off the main waterway in the event of an airstrike, whereas land vehicles are generally quite capable of running for cover. Plus there aren't that many alternate routes, and those that do exist are really obvious from the air.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't intend to ship my military supplies via rivers. Those are purely for civilian cargo transport. Their only connection to the military is the fact that they represent a constant water obstacle.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yeah that would be literally awful.

Why? It's not like you need to cross anywhere but inside cities and along major railroad lines and the like.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't river/canal traffic hilariously vulnerable to active air suppression? I mean, it's slower than road traffic, it can't maneuver especially well, and if holed it's fucked (unlike trucks which can be salvaged fairly easily if disabled). It can't even get off the main waterway in the event of an airstrike, whereas land vehicles are generally quite capable of running for cover. Plus there aren't that many alternate routes, and those that do exist are really obvious from the air.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't intend to ship my military supplies via rivers.

You would need to cross it every time it went between two cities, or any time it went between two points people might want to drive between, like mines and cities, or farms and cities, or between towns that aren't that large.

[Purpelia]

You would need to cross it every time it went between two cities, or any time it went between two points people might want to drive between, like mines and cities, or farms and cities, or between towns that aren't that large.

By drive between you of course mean take a train right? Purpelia does not have a culture of driving everywhere. Passenger traffic is mostly done by train.

Mind you, it's not like there are 5 canals per kilometer. Basically, think modern day Germany with the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal but without the autobahn.

[Spirit of Hope]

You would need to cross it every time it went between two cities, or any time it went between two points people might want to drive between, like mines and cities, or farms and cities, or between towns that aren't that large.

By drive between you of course mean take a train right? Purpelia does not have a culture of driving everywhere. Passenger traffic is mostly done by train.

Mind you, it's not like there are 5 canals per kilometer. Basically, think modern day Germany with the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal but without the autobahn.

Trains don't go everywhere, and not always at convenient times. And I'm not just talking people traffic but transportation of goods as well.

[Questers]

By drive between you of course mean take a train right? Purpelia does not have a culture of driving everywhere. Passenger traffic is mostly done by train.

Mind you, it's not like there are 5 canals per kilometer. Basically, think modern day Germany with the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal but without the autobahn.

Trains don't go everywhere, and not always at convenient times. And I'm not just talking people traffic but transportation of goods as well.

This is basically wrong, if you include buses with trains. It's entirely possible - it exists in real life - to have a public transport centric culture, as long as three things, in priority order:
1 - Population density.
2 - Town planning.
3 - Public investment.

And additionally climate. A public transport culture needs to have a temperate climate because people do not like to walk in the tropics or siberia.

Edit: transportation of goods obviously needs trucks, yea.

Sure, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't intend to ship my military supplies via rivers. Those are purely for civilian cargo transport. Their only connection to the military is the fact that they represent a constant water obstacle.

I don't understand this though. How are you going to ship them if not either by the river or by things that need to cross the river?

[Questers]

The new Russian equipment.

It looks mean. It looks capable. It looks sleek. It looks nothing like anyone said future tanks would look like (i.e. remarkably close to present tanks.)

But let's just see if it works first, and how many of them can be made.

[Gallia-]

TBF it resembles Obj 477 somewhat, and the layout is similar I think. The turret is smaller but that's because it's not an insane big gun I guess.

The only problem is it doesn't have a front mounted engine, so the hull looks very boring and pedestrian instead of Super Sloped Future. Because it is boring and pedestrian.

The real future tank is soon to be here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... model1.jpg

[Questers]

Tbh I think it looks cool. Let's wait for details, though.

Speculating: the gun is what, 125-mm? It's a 2A46? So how about the ammo? It would be fucking hilarious if they built this new tanku and turns out it still uses the 2A46M2 or w/e and it has the same two piece carousel autoloader. It kinda looks like it does. Additionally have not heard of any reports of single piece Russian 125-mm ammo. So either its super secret squirrel or yeah they're still shooting Svinets in which case, who cares?!