Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Gallia-]

How do you conduct rapid operational level exploitation without wheeled death trucks?

I have wheeled vehicles, they're just not death or trux.

rosomak rosomak

>not death trucks
>death-truck.jpg

[Purpelia]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

Speaking of that. There have been a number of unmanned ultra thin turret designs floating around with the whole crew in the hull and all that. If I were to use such a design, is there any reason not to include a MANPAD system on the side? I mean sure, it won't be shooting down jets. But it would deter helicopters and the like.

[Yukonastan]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

Speaking of that. There have been a number of unmanned ultra thin turret designs floating around with the whole crew in the hull and all that. If I were to use such a design, is there any reason not to include a MANPAD system on the side? I mean sure, it won't be shooting down jets. But it would deter helicopters and the like.

Depending on the gun you use that's where your ATGMs go.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of that. There have been a number of unmanned ultra thin turret designs floating around with the whole crew in the hull and all that. If I were to use such a design, is there any reason not to include a MANPAD system on the side? I mean sure, it won't be shooting down jets. But it would deter helicopters and the like.

Depending on the gun you use that's where your ATGMs go.

Well I'd be using a modern high powered 123mm tank gun. Since this would be a tank.

[Yukonastan]

Depending on the gun you use that's where your ATGMs go.

Well I'd be using a modern high powered 123mm tank gun. Since this would be a tank.

Ah, you're fine then. Preferably put it on a pantograph-ish mount (like the Ozelot air defense tankette) in a two-shot box, so that it can elevate and so that the backblast doesn't destroy anything vital, like optics or antennas.

[Purpelia]

Ah, you're fine then. Preferably put it on a pantograph-ish mount (like the Ozelot air defense tankette) in a two-shot box, so that it can elevate and so that the backblast doesn't destroy anything vital, like optics or antennas.

I figured I could just have a cold launch setup. It's much safer that way and takes up less room.

[Yukonastan]

Ah, you're fine then. Preferably put it on a pantograph-ish mount (like the Ozelot air defense tankette) in a two-shot box, so that it can elevate and so that the backblast doesn't destroy anything vital, like optics or antennas.

I figured I could just have a cold launch setup. It's much safer that way and takes up less room.

That's basically what a Stinger is. It uses a "cold launch" rocket to kick the missile out of the tube, before the main motor is fired.
However, the launch motor can still damage systems if the blast is directed over 'em.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What is the modern use of wheen AFVs armed with tank-caliber weapons but otherwise lightly armored? Like the Panhard EBR or Stryker MGS?

Well basically it's like this. Infantry tends to fight stuff other than other infantry in the open. Stuff like tanks, infantry in cover, infantry inside buildings etc. And to do that effectively, they at times need to blow big, 100mm or so worth of HE sized chunks out of stuff they disprove off. That's why every army since the invention of cannon has tried to somehow roll them along side infantry. And why everyone and their mother were racing to mount a field gun on some sort of tracked all terrain chassis to move along side infantry ever since they figured out you could run carts without horses. Now, as time went on people figured out that they did not need two separate vehicles, one to carry the infantry and the other to carry the gun. You can use one vehicle and it will be brilliant. Well, some people at least. The rest of the world for some reason refuses to get the message and instead have to somehow compensate. And that's where the vehicles you mention come in.

BMT-72 /BTMP-84

MASTER RACE

[Purpelia]

I figured I could just have a cold launch setup. It's much safer that way and takes up less room.

That's basically what a Stinger is. It uses a "cold launch" rocket to kick the missile out of the tube, before the main motor is fired.
However, the launch motor can still damage systems if the blast is directed over 'em.

Basically one thing I want to avoid is making the vertical profile of the turret larger.

[Korva]

The Stinger's launch motor ignites in the the launch tube. If it were a true cold launch then the backblast wouldn't exist.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The Stinger's launch motor ignites in the the launch tube. If it were a true cold launch then the backblast wouldn't exist.

it's a lukewarm launch then

badumtsh

[Yukonastan]

That's basically what a Stinger is. It uses a "cold launch" rocket to kick the missile out of the tube, before the main motor is fired.
However, the launch motor can still damage systems if the blast is directed over 'em.

Basically one thing I want to avoid is making the vertical profile of the turret larger.

Hence the pantograph mount of the launch tube. So that when it's retracted it's beside the turret and doesn't stick out above, and that when firing it can elevate to near vertical.

The Stinger's launch motor ignites in the the launch tube. If it were a true cold launch then the backblast wouldn't exist.

It's still a smaller backblast than if the main motor were to ignite in the tube, and it's a motor that makes it ok for infantry to use. I'm just worried about antennas being damaged.

[Radicchio]

Light Transport anyone?

Volvo C303


Volvo C304 (Basic Hard Top Model)


Volvo C304 (Drop Side Model)


M151a2


M151a2 (TOW Launcher, I think i will launch the South African INGWE out of mine)


M151a2 (106mm recoilless rifle carrier)

[Questers]

As such, the "police" must be ready to deal with anything up to and including small scale insurgencies, even if that's highly unlikely (as RN is quite a stable state) simply because if SHTF they can't just call in the military until the shit seriously starts hitting that fan.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense IF:

RN is a stable first world country.

Here is the problem: if the "shit hits the fan," the military will be called in, who cares about posse comitatus. The US has done it and will do it again. There are other civilised countries like Britain (except in NI in t' troubles) and Australia and New Zealand that do not have "special police" - Switzerland too, I think, although most Euro states have border forces and internal troops and gendarmeries etc. These countries that don't have special police units often don't even have armed police.

What is the ilkelihood of "small scale insurgencies" in a stable first world country? If you have a domestic insurgency already because of :nationalism:, it doesn't make sense to prohibit your armed forces from operating on home ground (and this is not something that would happen, realistically.) In what situations could a small scale insurgency arise in your country which necessitates militarised police?

The only answer is that you are like America or Brazil where there are a MAD number of guns and gun crimes and police duke it out with ghetto-gangs on a regular basis. But that's not an insurgency, that's just rap city.

edit: Denmark and Sweden also lack special police. Bravest Nordic welfare states

[Vancon]

Light Transport anyone?

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Volvo C303

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Volvo C304 (Basic Hard Top Model)

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Volvo C304 (Drop Side Model)

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M151a2

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M151a2 (TOW Launcher, I think i will launch the South African INGWE out of mine)

(Image)
M151a2 (106mm recoilless rifle carrier)

Somewhere, somehow, Kour has just shed a tear.

[Radicchio]

Light Transport anyone?

(Image)
Volvo C303

(Image)
Volvo C304 (Basic Hard Top Model)

(Image)
Volvo C304 (Drop Side Model)

(Image)
M151a2

(Image)
M151a2 (TOW Launcher, I think i will launch the South African INGWE out of mine)

(Image)
M151a2 (106mm recoilless rifle carrier)

Somewhere, somehow, Kour has just shed a tear.

Tears of Joy? Tears of Pride?! TEARS OF WONDER!!??!!

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

As such, the "police" must be ready to deal with anything up to and including small scale insurgencies, even if that's highly unlikely (as RN is quite a stable state) simply because if SHTF they can't just call in the military until the shit seriously starts hitting that fan.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense IF:

RN is a stable first world country.

Here is the problem: if the "shit hits the fan," the military will be called in, who cares about posse comitatus. The US has done it and will do it again. There are other civilised countries like Britain (except in NI in t' troubles) and Australia and New Zealand that do not have "special police" - Switzerland too, I think, although most Euro states have border forces and internal troops and gendarmeries etc. These countries that don't have special police units often don't even have armed police.

What is the ilkelihood of "small scale insurgencies" in a stable first world country? If you have a domestic insurgency already because of :nationalism:, it doesn't make sense to prohibit your armed forces from operating on home ground (and this is not something that would happen, realistically.) In what situations could a small scale insurgency arise in your country which necessitates militarised police?

The only answer is that you are like America or Brazil where there are a MAD number of guns and gun crimes and police duke it out with ghetto-gangs on a regular basis. But that's not an insurgency, that's just rap city.

Well, that too really. Even though RN is culturally in a parallel universe seeing how things like drugs and prostitution are fully legal. Essentially you're left with strictly white collar crime and strictly violent crime and not much in between.

[Vancon]

Somewhere, somehow, Kour has just shed a tear.

Tears of Joy? Tears of Pride?! TEARS OF WONDER!!??!!

Probably a mix of all three.

[Questers]

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense IF:

RN is a stable first world country.

Here is the problem: if the "shit hits the fan," the military will be called in, who cares about posse comitatus. The US has done it and will do it again. There are other civilised countries like Britain (except in NI in t' troubles) and Australia and New Zealand that do not have "special police" - Switzerland too, I think, although most Euro states have border forces and internal troops and gendarmeries etc. These countries that don't have special police units often don't even have armed police.

What is the ilkelihood of "small scale insurgencies" in a stable first world country? If you have a domestic insurgency already because of :nationalism:, it doesn't make sense to prohibit your armed forces from operating on home ground (and this is not something that would happen, realistically.) In what situations could a small scale insurgency arise in your country which necessitates militarised police?

The only answer is that you are like America or Brazil where there are a MAD number of guns and gun crimes and police duke it out with ghetto-gangs on a regular basis. But that's not an insurgency, that's just rap city.

Well, that too really. Even though RN is culturally in a parallel universe seeing how things like drugs and prostitution are fully legal. Essentially you're left with strictly white collar crime and strictly violent crime and not much in between.

So it's not for dealing with an insurgency.

It's for ghetto warfare.

In which case an MRAP is probably not a bad piece of kit.

[Radicchio]

Tears of Joy? Tears of Pride?! TEARS OF WONDER!!??!!

Probably a mix of all three.

Was he a fan of the tactical chomo van that is Volvo?

[Yuketobaniac]

Type:Main battle tank
Place of origin:yuketobaniac

In Service: 2015-Present
Unit cost:14,000,000 Gohls, 9,000,000 NSD.
Produced:2014-Present
Number Built:45

Weight:51.2 Tons
Length: 35 feet
Height:7 feet
Crew:2

Main Armament:50 cal Machine gun, 125Gl cannon
Suspension: Torson Bar

Operational range: 721 miles
Effective range:2 miles
Speed:52 Mph



Users:yuketobaniac

[Vancon]

Probably a mix of all three.

Was he a fan of the tactical chomo van that is Volvo?

If I recall correctly, if it was a Lorry, he liked it. Especially euro ones.

[Thunbergia]

I wes speaking (in real life ) with a friend about the BRDM-2 and he said he had seen a magazine article about versions of the vehicle where the diesel engine had been replaced by two small petrol engines. Now he couldn't remember the magazine article or anything else about it but the conversation got me thinking, in a lightweight vehicle like the BRDM, what would be the drawbacks of a petrol engine or two as opposed to that loud, stinky, troublesome diesel?

[Laywenrania]

I wes speaking (in real life ) with a friend about the BRDM-2 and he said he had seen a magazine article about versions of the vehicle where the diesel engine had been replaced by two small petrol engines. Now he couldn't remember the magazine article or anything else about it but the conversation got me thinking, in a lightweight vehicle like the BRDM, what would be the drawbacks of a petrol engine or two as opposed to that loud, stinky, troublesome diesel?

less torque, higher fuel consumption. Twice as many chances to fail with two engines^^

[Doppio Giudici]

I'm trying to have built-in modular ERA, but I think I'm doing this wrong.

I need feedback.