Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Korva]

MRAP are for pussies.

Remove wheeled death truck.

How do you conduct rapid operational level exploitation without wheeled death trucks?

Sparky doesnt know what to think

[Padnak]

>removal of vietcong intensifies

actually, that thing gave me an idea...

If you had a heavy truck and a tank with no tracks, could you put the tank on the back and use it like a crazy guntruck?

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

>removal of vietcong intensifies

actually, that thing gave me an idea...

If you had a heavy truck and a tank with no tracks, could you put the tank on the back and use it like a crazy guntruck?

Sure, until you make a hard turn and the thing flips because it's so top-heavy. So drive carefully! You don't want anyone getting hurt, right?

[The Kingdom of Rhamos]

>removal of vietcong intensifies

actually, that thing gave me an idea...

If you had a heavy truck and a tank with no tracks, could you put the tank on the back and use it like a crazy guntruck?

Apparently during the early days of the OIF surge a convoy of Abrams got caught on their haulers while the crews were in the cabs of the trucks, this did not go so well. So the next time they did the same thing except the crews stayed in the tanks and when they were ambushed the Abrams started up and started firing from the trailers before simply driving off into battle.

I have so sauce except the old wise tales of my former TC so take it as you will

[Dostanuot Loj]

Say.. what might be the consequences of lengthening the barrel of a tank gun. So far the pros would be increased muzzle velocity, more accuracy (less dispersion) And the cons as far as i see is Increased weight, burdening the hydraulics to raise them and somewhat a restriction on turret rotation (Say..Kelly's Heroes anyone ?)

But i wonder if there's any other detrimental effect i'm not aware of. Might also incorporate it into my Gun calculator.

thinking about lengthening the barrel of my tank gun. It's 138mm gun from previously 49.7 Caliber with total length of tube of 7.7 m. The new caliber would be 52 or 55 Cal With total tube length of some 8-9 m.

Dispersion will accually increase (and accuracy thus decrease) with longer barrels due to motion. The only ways to beat this are to stiffen the barrel (AKA, make it stronger and thus heavier) or don't move it around as much. This is one of the big reasons the US does not want to move to a longer gun.

I can not stress enough how much of a problem this can be if you are looking to do any kind of motion while firing, which includes slewing the turret of a stationary tank to aim. Especially as I think your existing 138mm would already be suffering from these problems due to its length.

[Rich and Corporations]

you say what like you don't conduct extensive internal security operations with the possibilities of ied attacks...

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Armored utility trucks <3

If you are carrying out internal security operations with the possibility of IED's you are no longer talking about SWAT team operations.

because the days of rage never happened....

the reason swat exists was because of the Black Panthers.
Black Panthers don't exist anymore.

Just petty criminals.

[Gallia-]

you say what like you don't conduct extensive internal security operations with the possibilities of ied attacks...

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Armored utility trucks <3

If you are carrying out internal security operations with the possibility of IED's you are no longer talking about SWAT team operations.

You're right, that's a job for EOD.

[Korva]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

[Dostanuot Loj]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

I don't see any MANPADS or any SAM system.

I do see something that looks like it could be a laser dazzler system, or anything of the sort, or even targeting system for a SAM, but there is no evidence of any launching tube.

[New Oyashima]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

I don't see any MANPADS or any SAM system.

I do see something that looks like it could be a laser dazzler system, or anything of the sort, or even targeting system for a SAM, but there is no evidence of any launching tube.

First picture, side of turret.

I'm tired of noobs.

[New Vihenia]

Dispersion will accually increase (and accuracy thus decrease) with longer barrels due to motion. The only ways to beat this are to stiffen the barrel (AKA, make it stronger and thus heavier) or don't move it around as much. This is one of the big reasons the US does not want to move to a longer gun.

I can not stress enough how much of a problem this can be if you are looking to do any kind of motion while firing, which includes slewing the turret of a stationary tank to aim. Especially as I think your existing 138mm would already be suffering from these problems due to its length.

Ah i see thanks.

Anyway how one define barrel length ? Is that the whole gun tube (including the breech, chamber etc) Or The "Projectile travel section" At the end of the gun chamber ?

[Dostanuot Loj]

First picture, side of turret.

Totally brain-farted the whole first picture, lol.

I'm tired of noobs.

That's nice, and you are...?

[The Kievan People]

I don't see any MANPADS or any SAM system.

I do see something that looks like it could be a laser dazzler system, or anything of the sort, or even targeting system for a SAM, but there is no evidence of any launching tube.

First picture, side of turret.

I'm tired of noobs.

i died

[Dostanuot Loj]

First picture, side of turret.

I'm tired of noobs.

i died

It's OK buddy, I have emergency first aid, I'll save you.
I just need to find my defib pads...

[Rich and Corporations]

Dispersion will accually increase (and accuracy thus decrease) with longer barrels due to motion. The only ways to beat this are to stiffen the barrel (AKA, make it stronger and thus heavier) or don't move it around as much. This is one of the big reasons the US does not want to move to a longer gun.

I can not stress enough how much of a problem this can be if you are looking to do any kind of motion while firing, which includes slewing the turret of a stationary tank to aim. Especially as I think your existing 138mm would already be suffering from these problems due to its length.

Ah i see thanks.

Anyway how one define barrel length ? Is that the whole gun tube (including the breech, chamber etc) Or The "Projectile travel section" At the end of the gun chamber ?

projectile travel section,. ou can seat the gun deeper in tank if you use an oscillating turret.

[Questers]

MRAP are for pussies.

Remove wheeled death truck.

How do you conduct rapid operational level exploitation without wheeled death trucks?

I have wheeled vehicles, they're just not death or trux.

rosomak rosomak

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

you say what like you don't conduct extensive internal security operations with the possibilities of ied attacks...

(Image)

Armored utility trucks <3

If you are carrying out internal security operations with the possibility of IED's you are no longer talking about SWAT team operations.

..and here is where RN's peculiarities come into play.

RN simply doesn't buy into the whole Police, Border Guards, Internal Intelligence and Gendarmerie/National Guard combo. We only have "police" here.

Also, the armed forces are prohibited from operating on home soil unless some sort of invasion is going on.

As such, the "police" must be ready to deal with anything up to and including small scale insurgencies, even if that's highly unlikely (as RN is quite a stable state) simply because if SHTF they can't just call in the military until the shit seriously starts hitting that fan. Also the military isn't really all that well equipped or trained for COIN, especially not on home soil.

I figured seeing how there will be plenty of times I'll want to haul stuff on wheels and under armor that can't be hauled by the JLTV and that I'm already using the FMTV (80% parts commonality) the Caiman would prove plenty useful.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

What is the modern use of wheen AFVs armed with tank-caliber weapons but otherwise lightly armored? Like the Panhard EBR or Stryker MGS?

[Imperializt Russia]

Being able to put a mobile 105mm-gun platform on the ground fast when it's needed. Its tactical and strategic mobility are great.

[Checheyna]

Would a 90mm howitzer with a 5 shell autoloader be plausible on a modernized Panhard chassis?

[Crookfur]

Would a 90mm howitzer with a 5 shell autoloader be plausible on a modernized Panhard chassis?

Depends on what you mean by Panhard Chassis, they have built rather a lot of different vehicles over the years...

i assume you mean the AML in which case likely not as i doubt you could fit a big enough turret for a howitzer or be able to mount a fixed one.

Honestly you would better with a truck or a larger APC chassis to work from. The ERC chassis might work if you want to keep the panhard connection.

[Checheyna]

Would a 90mm howitzer with a 5 shell autoloader be plausible on a modernized Panhard chassis?

Depends on what you mean by Panhard Chassis, they have built rather a lot of different vehicles over the years...

i assume you mean the AML in which case likely not as i doubt you could fit a big enough turret for a howitzer or be able to mount a fixed one.

Honestly you would better with a truck or a larger APC chassis to work from. The ERC chassis might work if you want to keep the panhard connection.

I had been thinking a Panhard EBR chassis for stability and a larger platform than the ECR.

[Yukonastan]

What is the modern use of wheen AFVs armed with tank-caliber weapons but otherwise lightly armored? Like the Panhard EBR or Stryker MGS?

The purpose of mobile gun systems is to make holes. Tactical holes, actual holes, holes in buildings, front lines, enemy IFVs, et cetera. The gun is a multipurpose piece that primarily supports infantry.

[Purpelia]

What is the modern use of wheen AFVs armed with tank-caliber weapons but otherwise lightly armored? Like the Panhard EBR or Stryker MGS?

Well basically it's like this. Infantry tends to fight stuff other than other infantry in the open. Stuff like tanks, infantry in cover, infantry inside buildings etc. And to do that effectively, they at times need to blow big, 100mm or so worth of HE sized chunks out of stuff they disprove off. That's why every army since the invention of cannon has tried to somehow roll them along side infantry. And why everyone and their mother were racing to mount a field gun on some sort of tracked all terrain chassis to move along side infantry ever since they figured out you could run carts without horses. Now, as time went on people figured out that they did not need two separate vehicles, one to carry the infantry and the other to carry the gun. You can use one vehicle and it will be brilliant. Well, some people at least. The rest of the world for some reason refuses to get the message and instead have to somehow compensate. And that's where the vehicles you mention come in.

[Bratislavskaya]

Type 98 with integrated MANPADS

J'ai vourdrais....