Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Questers]

British tanks do NOT have a joystick. The Challenger 2 has a playstation 2 esque controller.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 0Bryan.pdf

page 7 of actual book

[Purpelia]

British tanks do NOT have a joystick. The Challenger 2 has a playstation 2 esque controller.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 0Bryan.pdf

page 7 of actual book

IIRC it was the Chieftain that had the little thumb thing like on a PS-1. I think. It's been ages but like I saw it on youtube.

[Sevvania]

British tanks do NOT have a joystick. The Challenger 2 has a playstation 2 esque controller.

But PlayStation 2 controllers have two joysticks s:

[Gallia-]

tbf it's really more of a generic-ish control yoke which is pretty much universal in western mbts at least

i think theyre talking about tc turret override tho mb

[Purpelia]

So apparently not only was my idea sensible but it was not even my idea? I can go with that.

[Dostanuot Loj]

British tanks do NOT have a joystick. The Challenger 2 has a playstation 2 esque controller.

I've been talking commander's controls.
Which is a joystick in the Challenger.

Gunner's controls are different.
But the gunner can push his chest into a chest plate and brace himself. Commander does not have this option.

[Purpelia]

Why not? Surely he can as well? I mean sure, it would impede his ability to poke his head out the roof. But that's why you attach the joystick via a long cable instead of physically mounting it on a metal rod. (At least that's what I'd do).

[Dostanuot Loj]

Why not? Surely he can as well? I mean sure, it would impede his ability to poke his head out the roof. But that's why you attach the joystick via a long cable instead of physically mounting it on a metal rod. (At least that's what I'd do).

You've never ridden in an AFV over rough ground have you?

Long story short: You're holding on fir dear life.

[Questers]

British tanks do NOT have a joystick. The Challenger 2 has a playstation 2 esque controller.

But PlayStation 2 controllers have two joysticks s:

yes, but one in challenger has none.

which is why i said playstation esque

please read source material i present before making such comments

[Purpelia]

Why not? Surely he can as well? I mean sure, it would impede his ability to poke his head out the roof. But that's why you attach the joystick via a long cable instead of physically mounting it on a metal rod. (At least that's what I'd do).

You've never ridden in an AFV over rough ground have you?

Long story short: You're holding on fir dear life.

I know it's rough and stuff. But like figured that tanks had suspension so like how bad could it be? Also I figure that having the crew strap down with seat belts and use a joystick that's on the end of a cable would be preferable to having them slosh around whilst only having a joystick to hold on to.

[Imperializt Russia]

You've never ridden in an AFV over rough ground have you?

Long story short: You're holding on fir dear life.

I know it's rough and stuff. But like figured that tanks had suspension so like how bad could it be? Also I figure that having the crew strap down with seat belts and use a joystick that's on the end of a cable would be preferable to having them slosh around whilst only having a joystick to hold on to.

The suspension turns it from "suicide" to merely "suicidal" (not literal). Suspension smoothes it out, but there's still a lot of violent movement. Damping always has a sharp initial spike.

A 40kph crash in a one-tonne car will give you moderate injuries.
A 40kph crash in a sixty-tonne tank, if not braced properly, could probably throw you into something very sharp.

[Questers]

youre in 60 tons at 40 miles per hour over hills. it can be bad.

[Dostanuot Loj]

You've never ridden in an AFV over rough ground have you?

Long story short: You're holding on fir dear life.

I know it's rough and stuff. But like figured that tanks had suspension so like how bad could it be? Also I figure that having the crew strap down with seat belts and use a joystick that's on the end of a cable would be preferable to having them slosh around whilst only having a joystick to hold on to.

Tanks don't tend to have seatbelts.
For a number of reasons, including needing to move.

There's a reason Canadian tankers, prior to the much-hated, forced-introduction of helmets, were nicknamed "zipperheads".

[Gallia-]

You've never ridden in an AFV over rough ground have you?

Long story short: You're holding on fir dear life.

I know it's rough and stuff. But like figured that tanks had suspension so like how bad could it be? Also I figure that having the crew strap down with seat belts and use a joystick that's on the end of a cable would be preferable to having them slosh around whilst only having a joystick to hold on to.

youre sort of exaggerating the amenities military vehicles have theyre quite spartan tbh







http://i.imgur.com/FsVIzNs.jpg

the loader station on an m1 is literally just a bum cushion and nothing else much like challenger

it gets worse the further back in time you go:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2381/219 ... 761b_b.jpg

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/images/l ... 033_04.jpg

generally british tanks have worse ergonomics than german/american tanks though because the british are masochist and like it that way i guess

that said there's not a huge difference in quality of life for a crewman on a leopard 1 or an abrams despite the ten year gap between the two or so

[Purpelia]

I know these things are cramped. But I figure my crew compartment will at least cut down on the list of things you can get stuck on by not having the gun and assorted bits in there. The video of the T-14 posted a while back is similar and it looked positively roomy compared to those.

Also I figure I can have seat belts on account of the crew no longer having to move around much at all. Like they don't manually load the gun or have to get out of its way. And there is no reason to have those binocular style gun sights when an LCD will do.

[The Kievan People]

I actually don't see why tankers couldn't be strapped into their seats like pilots. They have the same basic requirement (need to get out fast) and a fairly similar problem (shaky shaky).

It would also be helpful when dealing with very large explosions that can flip the vehicle or knock them out of their seats.

[Gallia-]

I actually don't see why tankers couldn't be strapped into their seats like pilots. They have the same basic requirement (need to get out fast) and a fairly similar problem (shaky shaky).

It would also be helpful when dealing with very large explosions that can flip the vehicle or knock them out of their seats.

four points for all tankmen

Simpkin_was_right.bmp

e: the ultimate tank seat http://ultimaratio-blog.org/wp-content/ ... 140014.jpg

[Dostanuot Loj]

If it's not a six-point racing harness on an independently suspended (from the roof of course) custom form-fitted seat, with mandatory HANS device, why are you even bothering?

[Gallia-]

the addition of a crew safety harness is probably like 92.85% the reason XM803 died

rippp

[Laritaia]

I actually don't see why tankers couldn't be strapped into their seats like pilots. They have the same basic requirement (need to get out fast) and a fairly similar problem (shaky shaky).

It would also be helpful when dealing with very large explosions that can flip the vehicle or knock them out of their seats.

Fighter pilots generaly don't have to unstrap themselves from the seat when they need to get out quickly. They just press the bang switch and their seat leaves with them.

[The Kievan People]

Fighter pilots generaly don't have to unstrap themselves from the seat when they need to get out quickly. They just press the bang switch and their seat leaves with them.

And helicopter pilots?

[Laritaia]

well for them it's more a case of.

"Keep your head, hands, arms, legs, and feet inside the ride at all times. Do not stand up or exit the ride while it is in motion."

[Purpelia]

I actually don't see why tankers couldn't be strapped into their seats like pilots. They have the same basic requirement (need to get out fast) and a fairly similar problem (shaky shaky).

It would also be helpful when dealing with very large explosions that can flip the vehicle or knock them out of their seats.

Fighter pilots generaly don't have to unstrap themselves from the seat when they need to get out quickly. They just press the bang switch and their seat leaves with them.

Have you ever driven in a car? How long does it take you to remove your seat belt? I do not really think that you would need to do anything more complex here.

[Fordorsia]

Fighter pilots generaly don't have to unstrap themselves from the seat when they need to get out quickly. They just press the bang switch and their seat leaves with them.

Have you ever driven in a car? How long does it take you to remove your seat belt? I do not really think that you would need to do anything more complex here.

Getting out of a tank as fast as possible is more important than getting out of a car as fast as possible. Cause you know, the reason you need to get out of a tank quickly is likely because it has been disabled and about to be destroyed, or is in the process of blowing up. That doesn't happen with cars. Wearing a seat belt in a tank could very well get you killed, unless you only wear it outside of the combat zone.

Maybe I'm completely missing the point of this discussion though.

[Gallia-]

Have you ever driven in a car? How long does it take you to remove your seat belt? I do not really think that you would need to do anything more complex here.

Getting out of a tank as fast as possible is more important than getting out of a car as fast as possible. Cause you know, the reason you need to get out of a tank quickly is likely because it has been disabled and about to be destroyed, or is in the process of blowing up. That doesn't happen with cars. Wearing a seat belt in a tank could very well get you killed, unless you only wear it outside of the combat zone.

Maybe I'm completely missing the point of this discussion though.

Maybe in WW2.

Staying inside a tank is generally safer than not tbh.