Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

[Purpelia]

Fun fact. The soviets experimented with autoloaders for a number of their vehicles. They just did not go for them as the war was already drawing to a close by the time it could have been useful.

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[Imperializt Russia]

122 shells for the T-34-76 and 168 for the KV-1?
How delightful.

[Fordorsia]

122 shells for the T-34-76 and 168 for the KV-1?
How delightful.

Being ammo racked would be quite the sight

[Purpelia]

On a related note I was thinking (it happens) and I had an idea (oh no). The crew stations on a modern fully automated crew in hull tank aren't exactly going to be cluttered. In fact, I would say that each crewman has relatively few things to think about. The driver only has two pedals, his hand brake and a steering wheel. Maybe some bits and bobs for the engine but he ain't going to be using most of that too often. The gunner basically only needs a single joystick for the gun and three buttons. One selects the ammo type, another switches between the main gun and coax and the third fires. Finally we have the commander who aside from his radio only really needs a joystick for his sights and two or three buttons as well.

My thoughts, as insane as they are have brought me to the realization that all of these can be mapped onto a standard handheld gamepad. In other words, unless I am wrong I could make a tank that comes with three of these as the only controls. The advantages of such a system, should it be possible are very obvious and numerous.

So NS, what do you think?

PS. I am only referring to the commonly used controls. Stuff like mapping a new round into the fire control computer or adjusting track tension remotely would still be done by regular means.

[Imperializt Russia]

Each crewman only has few enough systems to operate to be mapped entirely to a gamepad if we're boiling down tank combat to a videogame. See World of Tanks.

You can map flight controls for a helicopter to a gamepad too. If you ignore the three million and eighty minor switches and controls that allow the modern combat helicopter to fly, fight and do the loop-de-loop.

[Purpelia]

Each crewman only has few enough systems to operate to be mapped entirely to a gamepad if we're boiling down tank combat to a videogame. See World of Tanks.

You can map flight controls for a helicopter to a gamepad too. If you ignore the three million and eighty minor switches and controls that allow the modern combat helicopter to fly, fight and do the loop-de-loop.

That's the thing. From what I've seen of that guy that walks into tanks and shows the insides there actually aren't that many commands in a tank. At least not what you'd call commonly used commands. There is a lot of stuff in there, but most of it is used rarely. Like you won't be reprogramming your firing computer or manually ranging a target or adjusting fuel pressure all that often.

[Imperializt Russia]

Used a lot more than the fire button.

[Purpelia]

Used a lot more than the fire button.

Alright, educate me. (Seriously, like I genuinely want to know)

[Imperializt Russia]

Military personnel will spend substantially more time flipping master switches, test switches and start-up/shut-down procedures than fighting.
Electronics make up half or more of the cost of a modern battle tank. There's a lot of electronic equipment that needs fiddling with. Armata doesn't give the gunner's station three touch screens, a joystick and a control panel just to look flashier than the West.

[Purpelia]

Military personnel will spend substantially more time flipping master switches, test switches and start-up/shut-down procedures than fighting.
Electronics make up half or more of the cost of a modern battle tank. There's a lot of electronic equipment that needs fiddling with. Armata doesn't give the gunner's station three touch screens, a joystick and a control panel just to look flashier than the West.

Two things:
1. You only need to turn the tank on once a day and shut it off when you go to bed. It's not like everything is on a timer to reset every 5 minutes. At least that's my understanding. So whilst these procedures might take a lot of time they ain't something the crew really needs to be handy 24/7. So they don't qualify as "commonly used".

2. YOU KNOW WHAT THE INSIDES OF THE T-14 LOOK LIKE? SHOW ME!

[Korva]

Military personnel will spend substantially more time flipping master switches, test switches and start-up/shut-down procedures than fighting.
Electronics make up half or more of the cost of a modern battle tank. There's a lot of electronic equipment that needs fiddling with. Armata doesn't give the gunner's station three touch screens, a joystick and a control panel just to look flashier than the West.

Two things:
1. Why would the crew spend a lot of time on those? You only need to turn the tank on once a day and shut it off when you go to bed. It's not like everything is on a timer to reset every 5 minutes.

2. YOU KNOW WHAT THE INSIDES OF THE T-14 LOOK LIKE? SHOW ME!

you can google that...

[Purpelia]

Two things:
1. Why would the crew spend a lot of time on those? You only need to turn the tank on once a day and shut it off when you go to bed. It's not like everything is on a timer to reset every 5 minutes.

2. YOU KNOW WHAT THE INSIDES OF THE T-14 LOOK LIKE? SHOW ME!

you can google that...

I newer even imagined that the insides of a super new tank would be open to the public not a year after its creation.

[Gallia-]

prob cos it's not new

[Purpelia]

Still I expected at least 5 years to pass before we get a news reporter sitting inside the bloody thing. Shows what I know.

[Laritaia]

Still I expected at least 5 years to pass before we get a news reporter sitting inside the bloody thing. Shows what I know.

The new russians armoured vehicles are as much about showing the world how modern the russian military is becoming as they are about actually modernizing.

[The Akasha Colony]

Still I expected at least 5 years to pass before we get a news reporter sitting inside the bloody thing. Shows what I know.

It's more or less why they built them: to show off Russia's stronk new tanks and technology and shit, to get all the news agencies in a buzz.

[Fordorsia]

Beep beep



Should I ditch two of the passengers so it's just two in the back just like on the fennek?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

anyone care to give me some feedback?

I had some ideas on riot control vehicles.

Now I don't want to use any dedicated purpose-built vehicle, so this is what I can work with:

Humvee
BRV-O
FMTV/FMTV Armored Cab

Sisu Pasi*

For the first three I could have a module composed of a self-sealing water tank (assuming that works with water), shielded by riot-level protection (say, plastic, that would work against blunt and bladed weapons etc. but not bulletproof). This should work decent since the tank is not a vital component and bulletproofing would add too much weight and cost. Even if penetrated, the tank shouldn't leak that much due due to self-sealing. Alternatively, 1 or 2 extra tanks containing riot control agents or skunk could be added. A heavy duty (as in vandalproof) monitor gun as you see on some fire appliances and many riot control vehicles would sit on top. The module would also house an electrical pump. It would be connected to the vehicle's electrical installation and be controlled from inside the vehicle.

This module would be slapped on the back of the truck (chassis cab). Different sizes could be made (humvee 2 door, humvee 4 door, brv-o 2 door, brv-o 4 door, different kinds of fmtv, etc - whatever is deemed useful). If there is still room for a turret/gunshield, this could do without the machinegun and mount an LRAD instead and allow the gunner to fire e.g. 40mm LL or pepperball or whatever.

My variant of the Sisu Pasi could be used for the more hardcore stuff, and this is what I had in mind: secure a large tank inside with a pump, and replace the turret w/a monitor gun.

Allegedly all these vehicles would feature a universal front/back attachment hardpoint/system, to which you could mount either one of these

(Image)

where the sections are moved hydraulically to form a large moving wall, or a hydraulic V-shaped ram/plow to crush through barricades.

Any glaring issues with the above?

[Volkite Republic]

On a related note I was thinking (it happens) and I had an idea (oh no). The crew stations on a modern fully automated crew in hull tank aren't exactly going to be cluttered. In fact, I would say that each crewman has relatively few things to think about. The driver only has two pedals, his hand brake and a steering wheel. Maybe some bits and bobs for the engine but he ain't going to be using most of that too often. The gunner basically only needs a single joystick for the gun and three buttons. One selects the ammo type, another switches between the main gun and coax and the third fires. Finally we have the commander who aside from his radio only really needs a joystick for his sights and two or three buttons as well.

My thoughts, as insane as they are have brought me to the realization that all of these can be mapped onto a standard handheld gamepad. In other words, unless I am wrong I could make a tank that comes with three of these as the only controls. The advantages of such a system, should it be possible are very obvious and numerous.

So NS, what do you think?

PS. I am only referring to the commonly used controls. Stuff like mapping a new round into the fire control computer or adjusting track tension remotely would still be done by regular means.

Why not drive a car with a PS2 controller? Offers all the same advantages and has all the same downsides. Also direct mechanical control over things (like for example the brakes) tends to be useful at times.

[EsToVnIa]

Xbox 360 controller would be better since it has compatibility with the car's Win7

[Ardavia]

probably gonna call this one done now

or at least until I get the urge to wrestle with Blender again

[Purpelia]

Why not drive a car with a PS2 controller? Offers all the same advantages and has all the same downsides. Also direct mechanical control over things (like for example the brakes) tends to be useful at times.

Honestly I think that the ideal control setup for a car would be to keep the pedals and hand brake as they are but move all the various buttons to the steering wheel to turn it into a joystick of sorts. And by all the various buttons I am off course not referring to the various gadgets like seat and stereo controls that a proper car does not need anyway but the actually valuable stuff like the gear shifter, signal lights, regular lights etc.

[Fordorsia]

What should I put on the inside and where?

[Husseinarti]

On a related note I was thinking (it happens) and I had an idea (oh no). The crew stations on a modern fully automated crew in hull tank aren't exactly going to be cluttered. In fact, I would say that each crewman has relatively few things to think about. The driver only has two pedals, his hand brake and a steering wheel. Maybe some bits and bobs for the engine but he ain't going to be using most of that too often. The gunner basically only needs a single joystick for the gun and three buttons. One selects the ammo type, another switches between the main gun and coax and the third fires. Finally we have the commander who aside from his radio only really needs a joystick for his sights and two or three buttons as well.

My thoughts, as insane as they are have brought me to the realization that all of these can be mapped onto a standard handheld gamepad. In other words, unless I am wrong I could make a tank that comes with three of these as the only controls. The advantages of such a system, should it be possible are very obvious and numerous.

So NS, what do you think?

PS. I am only referring to the commonly used controls. Stuff like mapping a new round into the fire control computer or adjusting track tension remotely would still be done by regular means.

Why not drive a car with a PS2 controller? Offers all the same advantages and has all the same downsides. Also direct mechanical control over things (like for example the brakes) tends to be useful at times.

y no use mouse and keyboard

pc master reich race a go

[Purpelia]

That was another thing I was considering. Basically I know british tanks have this fixed joystick that has a small thumb stuck on it. And the thumb stick is what actually controls the gun. The joystick is just a handle you grip. That got me thinking. What if I had a mouse instead? Or rather what's basically a trackball that you turn with your fingers to control the gun and a couple of buttons to fire it.