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Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mark 8

Postby Questers » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:26 am

Placeholder OP because old thread might hit 500 when I'm asleep. For now, here's the useful links from Anemos' last OP, just to preserve them here.

AND THE GOLDEN RULE
No mechs. This means no legged vehicles, or any sort of vehicles that rely on legs for movement, even if designed to fulfill the same role as tanks. This includes hybrids like Ghost in the Shell think-tanks and Tachikomas. If you're looking for a thread about mechs, please follow this link



PAST THREADS
For the previous threads, click here:
Part I
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Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
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New Vihenia wrote:The "V-0" of my Gun calculator

Gun Calculator

For those problem with mediafire.. you may try using this to view the file instead

View

alternate links

http://depositfiles.com/files/5m1i2pchz

It will calculate muzzle velocity, recoil force, inflight velocity of a projectile and it may provide simple assessement whether your vehicle can safely fire the gun without causing uncomfortable vibrations to the crew.

The spreadsheet is largely based on "Technology of Tanks" by Ogorkieswicz and a book about theory and practice about ballistics and gun designs.

Future updates may include some "penetration" calculator to calculate penetration of projectile to object other than metals (say..concrete)

Final remarks is use at your own risk.. hmm it's still pretty much in infacy.. many stuff there need to be cross checked and debugged. I'm actually want to use Odermatt's equation for calculating maximum pressure but it doesn't seem to work..so i'm stick to Technology of Tanks.

Contact information is provided inside the sheet.

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"In an attempt to get people to start linearting more and because I know from personal experience that the tracks are often the hardest bit to get right, I have decluttered my tracks (not the best but they work) and they are now free to use, You don't even have to ask."

Any modifications big or small are fine.

I have redone my "free tracks" sheet into a "Free parts" sheet, so it is now allot neater.
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Just as a reminder, all my stuff is free to use/modify, most of which can be found in the "Newer Designs" link in my Sig.
(I do like being linked to the work once you've done it so that i can judge you)


By popular demand.

The purpose of this list is to bring together in one place any resources the erstwhile denizens of this thread have deemed worthy of attention while following the difficult path of an NS ground vehicle designer. Separated into categories for easy browsing, this listing will be available for use by any looking for further guidance in designing vehicles, with (hopefully) fairly consistent updates keeping the list up-to-date and in line with current designers' needs.


Armaments

Electrothermal-Chemical Technology for Tank Gun Propulsion [Macabees|NSDraftroom]
Ergonomics in WWII Soviet tank design [Archive Awareness]
Large Caliber Tank Guns for Lightweight Platforms [Macabees|NSDraftroom]
Problems Encountered with Higher Caliber Tank Guns [Macabees|NSDraftroom]
Why Dual Cannons Fail [Dostanuot Loj]

Tanks
Merkava Ammunition Stowage Explained [Dostanuot Loj]
Strv 103 - Comparisons with turreted tanks [Mechanised Vikings]
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:47 am

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Previous marks of Merkava, which are functionally still the same vehicle, have.
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Postby Laywenrania » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:40 am

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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:40 am

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M41A1 Troubadour

Protection: 20-100mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted 8mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader/Radio Operator, Loader)

As WWII moved into 1941, Fordorsia started to employ more heavily armoured tank destroyers for use against the increasing numbers of heavy tanks being used on all sides.
One of the most famous of these tank destroyers was the M41 Troubadour. First put into service in 1941 as an infantry support tank, it's 110mm gun allowed it to engage all types of ground targets with great effect and still keep up with the infantry it was supporting. It's relatively thick frontal armour gave it a good chance of holding it's own against lower-caliber guns, but it's thin side and rear armour, as well as it's open-topped turret, made it extremely vulnerable to being flanked and attacked by infantry.
350 M41A1s were made and put into service by 1944.


M41A2 Troubadour

Protection: 20-135mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Hull-mounted 8mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader/Radio Operator, Loader)

In 1945, as many countries were fielding the largest and most heavily armoured vehicles of the war, it became apparent that the M41 would need to be converted into a dedicated tank destroyer instead of being used for infantry support. The remaining 324 M41A1s were converted and continued to see service.
Changes included a fully-enclosed turret with a new, much thicker mantle, as well as a new 130mm AT gun, making the M41A2 lethal to whatever tank it came across. Other changes included making the front hull one large, sloped compartment for the driver, instead of the single box compartment of the M41A1 that left the turret ring exposed, as well as giving him a hull-mounted 8mm machine gun for defense against infantry, though it was commonly removed and the mount covered with steel plates by the crews.


M41A3 Troubadour

Protection: 30-200mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Co-axial 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

In 1960, explosive reactive armour, or ERA, had been introduced to Fordorsia. This allowed for vehicles to have significant added protection without making them overly heavy or complex. The remaining 246 M41A2s that survived WWII were converted to accommodate the ERA. This meant they were fitted with new turrets, a new driver's compartment, and side skirts. The new turret featured a more sloped face, as well as improved optics for the commander, gunner and driver. The whole front half of the turret was covered in ERA, with the rear being covered with slat armour.
The front of the hull, now with the machine gun removed and made co-axial for the main gun, was now one large, featureless slope covered completely in ERA.
As well as the protective equipment, the M41s were also given new engines, transmissions and the most advanced fire control systems available in Fordorsia. The radio was also moved next to the Commander, so that he was now able to control it directly instead of having to relay orders through one of the loaders.

It is estimated that the M41, throughout it's entire service history, was responsible for the destruction of well over 3,000 vehicles, a considerable percentage being late heavy tanks, making it amongst Fordorsia's most successful vehicles of the war, second only the the M42B.
After several minor upgrades and changes in the 70s and 80s, the venerable M41 Troubadour is still in service with Fordorsia, making it the country's longest-serving vehicle.
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Postby Portugal 28XX » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:58 am

Taken from my military factbook

Main Battle Tank:

Bravia T42A2 Aranha Camelo (Camel-Spider)

Type: MBT
Engine: 1 Volvo V14 TwinTurbo Multi-Fuel engine developing 2352 hp
Armament:
1 120 mm cannon with autoloader
1 Coaxial 30mm Bravia AC30T autocannon
1 Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun
6 ATGM missiles

Weight: 71978 kg
Speed: 88 km/h ( can reach up to 100 km/h in asphalt)
I made it myself on photoshop...
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Bravia TL39A3 Texugo (Badger)

Type: Light Tank
Engine: 1 Volvo V14 TwinTurbo Multi-Fuel engine developing 2352 hp
Armament:
1 120 mm cannon with autoloader
1 Coaxial Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun
1 Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun on CROWS mount
Weight: 21122 kg
Speed: 90 km/h

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Bravia TL33A1

drawn by myself

Type: Light Tank
Engine: 1 Bravia G43 V8 TwinTurbo Multi-Fuel engine developing 750 hp
Armament: 1 75 mm cannon with autoloader
1 coaxial Bravia AC30T 30 mm autocannon
1 coaxial Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun
Weight: 19122 kg
Speed: 92 km/h

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Bravia TL79A2

drawn by myself

Type: Light Tank
Engine: 1 Bravia G43 V8 TwinTurbo Multi-Fuel engine developing 750 hp
Armament: 1 40 mm cannon
1 coaxial Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun
1 Bravia MP50 50.cal machinegun in CROWS mount
Weight: 15122 kg
Speed: 92 km/h

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Postby Elan Valleys » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:01 am

What is a good SPAA? Are guns alone enough or are missiles needed?
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:04 am

Elan Valleys wrote:What is a good SPAA? Are guns alone enough or are missiles needed?


I think for modern ones missiles are a must.
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Postby Novorden » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:13 am

This time of year again?

A few of my more recent designs:
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Crew: 3 - Commander, Gunner, Driver
Dimensions and weight
Weight: 60 tonnes
Length: 8.2m (10.5m with gun forwards)
Width: 3.5m
Height: 2.3m to turret roof.

Armament
Main armament: 125 mm L50 smoothbore fed by bustle autoloader
Secondary armament: Coaxial dual feed 20 mm, 7×43 mm RWS
Elevation range: ___
Traverse range: 360 degrees
Ammunition load:
Main armament: 26 rounds in bustle autoloader with another 26 rounds in the hull in two isolated compartment behind the turret
Secondary armament: 2 x 200 rounds of 20mm (dual feed), 5 x 200 round box mags of 7×43 mm

Mobility
Engine: 1,500 hp MTU MT 883 diesel engine
Maximum speed: 72kmh
Range: ____km[/box]
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Stats
Type: Assault tank / Tank destroyer
Crew: 4 - Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader

Dimensions and weight
Armour: 80mm at 45 degrees (glacis)
Weight: 30 tonnes
Length: 6.2 m (9 m Including gun)
Width: 3 m
Height: 1.9 m to turret roof.
Ground clearance: 40 cm

Armament
Main armament: 102 mm L45 cannon (QF 4 inch Mk XVI naval gun variant)
Secondary armament: 12.7 mm M2 Browning
Ammunition load:
Main armament: 25 rounds
Secondary armament: 700 rounds of 12.7m and box of small arms ammo.

Mobility
Engine: Rolls-Royce Meteor V12 petrol, 600 horsepower (450 kW)
Power to weight: 20 hp/tonne
Maximum speed: 56 kmh
Range: 350 km
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Stats
Type: Universal tank
Crew: 4 - Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader
Introduction: 1947

Dimensions and weight
Weight: 55 tonnes
Length: hull 7.65 m (10.4 m Including gun)
Width: 3.2 m (with skirts)
Height: 2.4 m to turret roof
Ground clearance: 45 cm

Armament
Main armament: 102 mm L50 rifled gun
Secondary armament: 7.7×56mmR coaxial, 12.7 mm M2 Browning AA mounted to commanders cupola
Ammunition load:
Main armament: 40 rounds
Secondary armament: 700 rounds of 12.7m and 1000 rounds of 7.7×56mmR

Mobility
Engine: Opposed six-cylinder diesel engine (750 horsepower)
Power to weight: 13.6 hp/tonne
Maximum speed: 40 kmh
Range: 400 km
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Also I have a newer 'free tracks page'
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Postby Elan Valleys » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:18 am

Might have to use some of those tracks.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:21 am

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Rkv._93

I've been working on tank gun progression for Estovnia and was wondering how it sounded so far:

76mm (1942 - 1948)
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Postby Austrasien » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:36 am

Not linking my calculator pack :<
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Postby Portugal 28XX » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:56 pm

I saw Novorden's parts sheet, and it gave me some will to do one of my tanks in paint, so here are the WIPs

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4v6d2fxi17axvr4/Bravia%20TL33%20w.bmp?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwg387nv2wwzkmm/Bravia%20TL33.bmp?dl=0

Pencil drawn version for comparison
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpy5s97j697fcci/Digitalizar0002.jpg?dl=0

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Postby New Tsavon » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:10 pm

All three of those links gave me 403 errors.


Also, I should probably get back into linearting tanks.

Any suggestions?
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Postby New Visegrad » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:10 pm

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Postby Portugal 28XX » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:20 pm

New Tsavon wrote:All three of those links gave me 403 errors.


Also, I should probably get back into linearting tanks.

Any suggestions?


Try it now, please.
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Postby Sahrani South » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:22 pm

Would a M2 Bradley outfitted with a 35mm gun + FGM148 work ?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:31 pm

Elan Valleys wrote:What is a good SPAA? Are guns alone enough or are missiles needed?

Missiles are just useful.
Your target won't always be in gun range.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:33 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
M41A1 Troubadour

Protection: 20-100mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted 8mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader/Radio Operator, Loader)

As WWII moved into 1941, Fordorsia started to employ more heavily armoured tank destroyers for use against the increasing numbers of heavy tanks being used on all sides.
One of the most famous of these tank destroyers was the M41 Troubadour. First put into service in 1941 as an infantry support tank, it's 110mm gun allowed it to engage all types of ground targets with great effect and still keep up with the infantry it was supporting. It's relatively thick frontal armour gave it a good chance of holding it's own against lower-caliber guns, but it's thin side and rear armour, as well as it's open-topped turret, made it extremely vulnerable to being flanked and attacked by infantry.
350 M41A1s were made and put into service by 1944.


M41A2 Troubadour

Protection: 20-135mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Hull-mounted 8mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader/Radio Operator, Loader)

In 1945, as many countries were fielding the largest and most heavily armoured vehicles of the war, it became apparent that the M41 would need to be converted into a dedicated tank destroyer instead of being used for infantry support. The remaining 324 M41A1s were converted and continued to see service.
Changes included a fully-enclosed turret with a new, much thicker mantle, as well as a new 130mm AT gun, making the M41A2 lethal to whatever tank it came across. Other changes included making the front hull one large, sloped compartment for the driver, instead of the single box compartment of the M41A1 that left the turret ring exposed, as well as giving him a hull-mounted 8mm machine gun for defense against infantry, though it was commonly removed and the mount covered with steel plates by the crews.


M41A3 Troubadour

Protection: 30-200mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Co-axial 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

In 1960, explosive reactive armour, or ERA, had been introduced to Fordorsia. This allowed for vehicles to have significant added protection without making them overly heavy or complex. The remaining 246 M41A2s that survived WWII were converted to accommodate the ERA. This meant they were fitted with new turrets, a new driver's compartment, and side skirts. The new turret featured a more sloped face, as well as improved optics for the commander, gunner and driver. The whole front half of the turret was covered in ERA, with the rear being covered with slat armour.
The front of the hull, now with the machine gun removed and made co-axial for the main gun, was now one large, featureless slope covered completely in ERA.
As well as the protective equipment, the M41s were also given new engines, transmissions and the most advanced fire control systems available in Fordorsia. The radio was also moved next to the Commander, so that he was now able to control it directly instead of having to relay orders through one of the loaders.

It is estimated that the M41, throughout it's entire service history, was responsible for the destruction of well over 3,000 vehicles, a considerable percentage being late heavy tanks, making it amongst Fordorsia's most successful vehicles of the war, second only the the M42B.
After several minor upgrades and changes in the 70s and 80s, the venerable M41 Troubadour is still in service with Fordorsia, making it the country's longest-serving vehicle.


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Postby Novorden » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:36 pm

I am working on the ammunition loadout for my Cavalier tank, does this seem reasonable for a 'standard' load in the early-mid 50s?
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102mm (40 rounds total): 5 x APDS, 15 x APCBC, 15 x HESH, 5 x Smoke
12.7mm/.50 BMG (cupola): 2000 rounds
7.7x56R/.303 Brit (coaxial): 4000 rounds

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