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Who's going to OP IDT VI?

Archangel Conglomerate
4
3%
Spreewerke
8
6%
Kouralia
5
4%
Puzikas
5
4%
Sevvania
6
4%
Nirvash
3
2%
Nua Corda
50
35%
Imperializt Russia/Samozaryadnistan
12
9%
Padnak
48
34%
 
Total votes : 141

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:17 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Weight is a component of volume (assuming equal density), which is a cube function of the dimensions. There may be a slight difference not shown by a simple 27% reduction of all characteristics. I would expect it to weigh... more than 73% original mass? Not sure.

As I understand it, no changes to the propellant density means that the weight should scale normally. If I have a steel cube that weighs 100g, and I shave it down by 25%, logic says it should weigh 75g.

No it does not. Mass = Volume x Density
Volume scales with the cube of the dimensions. Thus Volume0.75 = Volume1 x 0.753 = Volume1 x 0.42

Assuming the density remains the same that means your mass would be 42g.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:40 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Weight is a component of volume (assuming equal density), which is a cube function of the dimensions. There may be a slight difference not shown by a simple 27% reduction of all characteristics. I would expect it to weigh... more than 73% original mass? Not sure.

As I understand it, no changes to the propellant density means that the weight should scale normally. If I have a steel cube that weighs 100g, and I shave it down by 25%, logic says it should weigh 75g.

If you cut it down by 27% in volume, it will cut down in weight by 27%, and its individual dimensions will be the cube root of 27% less (or something - cube root of 0.73 actually comes to 0.9 per side).
If you reduce its dimensions by 27%, it would be smaller than 27% smaller in volume. It would be about ~39% the volume, assuming a cube, and such 39% the weight.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:15 am

Right, I've played around with things a bit, and think I've managed.

The cartridge is a rectangular prism, 6x6x25mm, with a volume of ,9cm³. Taking away ,17cm³ for the projectile, and ,081cm³ for the primer/booster charge, leaves us with ,649cm³ to work with. Assuming I'm a madman, and make the entire propellant brick out of RDX, that gives a weight of 1,18g propellant.

Add to that the 1,87g projectile and we have a very rough cartridge weight of 3,2g. Assuming, for the time being, that the primer/booster is also RDX, of course.

So, in all I have a slightly more accurate string of measurements, a slightly larger cartridge and an additional 3m/s in velocity.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:03 pm

More wippity wip

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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

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Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Vancon
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Postby Vancon » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:18 pm

Fordorsia wrote:More wippity wip

(Image)

The one in the middle is my favorite. Can you make a sickle, and/or a scythe?
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The balkens wrote:Please tell me that condoms and Hazelnut spread are NOT on the same table.

Well what the fuck do you use for lube?

Krazakistan wrote:How have you not died after being exposed to that much shit on a monthly basis?
Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
Alimeria- wrote:I'll go to sleep when I want to, not when some cheese-eating surrender monkey tells me to.

Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:19 pm

Fordorsia wrote:More wippity wip

(Image)

What's with the top two?
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:22 pm

I like the center one best as well. The others are just not my type.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:23 pm

Vancon wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:More wippity wip

(Image)

The one in the middle is my favorite. Can you make a sickle, and/or a scythe?


What, a sickle variation of this sabre, like a forward-curving blade?

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:More wippity wip

(Image)

What's with the top two?


What about them? They just use copies of the 1796's blade. They're both the earliest models of this sabre.
Pro: Swords
Anti: Guns

San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:26 pm

Fordorsia wrote:What about them? They just use copies of the 1796's blade. They're both the earliest models of this sabre.

They're a tad longer and more curved than I would have expected, is all.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Sevvania » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Bam!
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Sevvanian semi-automatic 12 gauge, circa WWII. Still a bit of a work in progress. Whaddaya think?
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:30 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:What about them? They just use copies of the 1796's blade. They're both the earliest models of this sabre.

They're a tad longer and more curved than I would have expected, is all.


I know what you mean, but it's probably because the hilt is straight. In most pictures where the hilt isn't straight, it looks significantly less curved.
Pro: Swords
Anti: Guns

San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby Vancon » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:34 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Vancon wrote:The one in the middle is my favorite. Can you make a sickle, and/or a scythe?


What, a sickle variation of this sabre, like a forward-curving blade?

No, just a new sickle variant and a new scythe. You seem to only make swords, and I'd think that you'd do a good job.
Mike the Progressive wrote:You know I don't say this often, but this guy... he gets it. Like everything. As in he gets life.

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The balkens wrote:Please tell me that condoms and Hazelnut spread are NOT on the same table.

Well what the fuck do you use for lube?

Krazakistan wrote:How have you not died after being exposed to that much shit on a monthly basis?
Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
Alimeria- wrote:I'll go to sleep when I want to, not when some cheese-eating surrender monkey tells me to.

Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:36 pm

Sevvania wrote:Bam!
(Image)
Sevvanian semi-automatic 12 gauge, circa WWII. Still a bit of a work in progress. Whaddaya think?

I like it.


Ford hurry up and make a Killij dammit.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:44 pm

Fordorsia wrote:I know what you mean, but it's probably because the hilt is straight. In most pictures where the hilt isn't straight, it looks significantly less curved.

Huh. I didn't think something as small as the hilt could have such a dramatic impact on the sword's overall look. Neat.
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Please, call me Arch

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:45 pm

Too bad you are doing the wrong century. I am working on some viking era weapons my self that I will publish any day now. And it's kind of a shame to newer be able to cross swords.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:46 pm

Purpelia wrote:Too bad you are doing the wrong century. I am working on some viking era weapons my self that I will publish any day now. And it's kind of a shame to newer be able to cross swords.

Careful. He's into that kind of thing, you know. ;)
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Korva
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Postby Korva » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:47 pm

Purpelia wrote:Too bad you are doing the wrong century. I am working on some viking era weapons my self that I will publish any day now. And it's kind of a shame to newer be able to cross swords.

You can always cross swords with me :)
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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:48 pm

Well to be fair, the blade I am making is really for the rear end of the viking age. Circa mid-late 11th century. And it is not so much a sword as it is a sword on a shaft. A long rigid wooden shaft that you thrust in someones face repeatedly until the effect is achieved.
Last edited by Purpelia on Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.


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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:54 pm

Korva wrote:
Purpelia wrote:A long rigid...shaft that you thrust in someones face repeatedly until the effect is achieved.

:oops:


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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:56 pm

Vancon wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
What, a sickle variation of this sabre, like a forward-curving blade?

No, just a new sickle variant and a new scythe. You seem to only make swords, and I'd think that you'd do a good job.


Well I already have this infantry sabre from nearly a century earlier.
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I also draw guns, tanks, sometimes planes and rarely ships.

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Sevvania wrote:Bam!
(Image)
Sevvanian semi-automatic 12 gauge, circa WWII. Still a bit of a work in progress. Whaddaya think?

I like it.


Ford hurry up and make a Killij dammit.


A Kilij is just a sabre. They're also ugly as shit and Fordorsia isn't Turkey, so no.

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:I know what you mean, but it's probably because the hilt is straight. In most pictures where the hilt isn't straight, it looks significantly less curved.

Huh. I didn't think something as small as the hilt could have such a dramatic impact on the sword's overall look. Neat.


Neither did I until I drew the blade for them. It's quite unsettling, especially since I hate blades that curve back a lot.

Purpelia wrote:Too bad you are doing the wrong century. I am working on some viking era weapons my self that I will publish any day now. And it's kind of a shame to newer be able to cross swords.


Vikings are overrated. Celtiberians gogogo
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Pro: Swords
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:59 pm

Fordorsia wrote:Vikings are overrated. Celtiberians gogogo

Is it roughly the right time frame (10th - 11th century in my case)? Also yes, all vikings are overrated because they sailed on seas. Purpelian vikings though. Now those were men. They sailed on rivers!
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Fordorsia
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Postby Fordorsia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:01 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Vikings are overrated. Celtiberians gogogo

Is it roughly the right time frame (10th - 11th century in my case)? Also yes, all vikings are overrated because they sailed on seas. Purpelian vikings though. Now those were men. They sailed on rivers!


If more than a millenium earlier is around the same time, then sure.
Pro: Swords
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:02 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Is it roughly the right time frame (10th - 11th century in my case)? Also yes, all vikings are overrated because they sailed on seas. Purpelian vikings though. Now those were men. They sailed on rivers!


If more than a millenium earlier is around the same time, then sure.

That depends on how hot you are on time traveling river vikings.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby Immoren » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:03 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Vikings are overrated. Celtiberians gogogo

Is it roughly the right time frame (10th - 11th century in my case)? Also yes, all vikings are overrated because they sailed on seas. Purpelian vikings though. Now those were men. They sailed on rivers!


Uh.
Vikings did sail those too.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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