The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Fordorsia]

No, Guard units were rewards delivered to combat units that distinguished themselves by combat actions during the Great Patriotic War and were considered to have elite status. It in no way reflects the actual ability of the unit in terms of their level of training, but there was a certain distinction of being considered a guard. It was, and in the Russian Federation is still, considered honorable to be appointed to a Guards unit.

In military operational proceedings, Guard units were in fact considered to be "superior" to non guard units, because their officer base was generally more seasoned and experienced, and their soldiers were expected to fight with a level of intensity.

It has nothing to do with their status as a protectorate, that distinction belongs to a unit who might be designated "Okhrany", which is a protectorate service, though the only real official use of this is to the FSO (Federalnaya Sluzhba Okhrany), which is the Federal Protectorate Service of Russia.

so they are veteran infantry units?,

I don't know about the Russians, but I know the French Old Guard were older veterans of Napoleon's earlier campaigns. Tough bastards only ever broke once if I remember rightly. If Puz is correct, then Guards were just made up of soldiers who did something that stood out during battle, not necessarily soldiers who are better fighters.

[The balkens]

so they are veteran infantry units?,

I don't know about the Russians, but I know the French Old Guard were older veterans of Napoleon's earlier campaigns. Tough bastards only ever broke once if I remember rightly. If Puz is correct, then Guards were just made up of soldiers who did something that stood out during battle, not necessarily soldiers who are better fighters.

The Old guard broke at Waterloo, but i was under the impression that the Russian guard units were some kind of elite unit.

More or less, i needed a name for some units that ain't exactly your average NOTrussian unit.

[Yukonastan]

DEAT

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't know about the Russians, but I know the French Old Guard were older veterans of Napoleon's earlier campaigns. Tough bastards only ever broke once if I remember rightly. If Puz is correct, then Guards were just made up of soldiers who did something that stood out during battle, not necessarily soldiers who are better fighters.

The Old guard broke at Waterloo, but i was under the impression that the Russian guard units were some kind of elite unit.

More or less, i needed a name for some units that ain't exactly your average NOTrussian unit.

The 1st and 2nd Grenadiers of the Old Guard never broke at Waterloo, because they were never committed. The Middle Guard was committed and broke under concentrated fire against the three British Guards regiments. The Grenadiers and Chasseurs of the Grognards stood in reserve for the Middle Guard attack, but were never sent up. Just had to correct this myth.

[Kouralia]

The Old guard broke at Waterloo, but i was under the impression that the Russian guard units were some kind of elite unit.

More or less, i needed a name for some units that ain't exactly your average NOTrussian unit.

The 1st and 2nd Grenadiers of the Old Guard never broke at Waterloo, because they were never committed. The Middle Guard was committed and broke under concentrated fire against the three British Guards regiments. The Grenadiers and Chasseurs of the Grognards stood in reserve for the Middle Guard attack, but were never sent up. Just had to correct this myth.

pow-pow-pow

thin red streak tipped with steel

[Gallia-]

>not steak

[The balkens]

The 1st and 2nd Grenadiers of the Old Guard never broke at Waterloo, because they were never committed. The Middle Guard was committed and broke under concentrated fire against the three British Guards regiments. The Grenadiers and Chasseurs of the Grognards stood in reserve for the Middle Guard attack, but were never sent up. Just had to correct this myth.

pow-pow-pow

thin red streak tipped with steel

*Bang*

[San-Silvacian]

The 1st and 2nd Grenadiers of the Old Guard never broke at Waterloo, because they were never committed. The Middle Guard was committed and broke under concentrated fire against the three British Guards regiments. The Grenadiers and Chasseurs of the Grognards stood in reserve for the Middle Guard attack, but were never sent up. Just had to correct this myth.

pow-pow-pow

thin red streak tipped with steel

oh yeh wow surrender monkeys are bad cheese eaters long live the queen

totes lets ignore the fact that the British can never win anything by themselves.

[Metcalfer2]

Thoughts on the Metcalferian M.U.B round system?

[Gallia-]

pow-pow-pow

thin red streak tipped with steel

oh yeh wow surrender monkeys are bad cheese eaters long live the queen

totes lets ignore the fact that the British can never win anything by themselves.

oh no

they beat the zulus and the afghans all by themselves

[Imperializt Russia]

(Image)

Since we're discussing flechette/comparable ammunition, have my take on an experimental belted 7.62x51mm :not:NEATO flechette cartridge.

Not only does that cartridge probably not require a belt, I'm not even certain it has a belt.

Tell me more, I am curious.

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

IIRC it was an issue of very cold temperatures, round-nose ammunition and thick winter coats.

No, Guard units were rewards delivered to combat units that distinguished themselves by combat actions during the Great Patriotic War and were considered to have elite status. It in no way reflects the actual ability of the unit in terms of their level of training, but there was a certain distinction of being considered a guard. It was, and in the Russian Federation is still, considered honorable to be appointed to a Guards unit.

In military operational proceedings, Guard units were in fact considered to be "superior" to non guard units, because their officer base was generally more seasoned and experienced, and their soldiers were expected to fight with a level of intensity.

It has nothing to do with their status as a protectorate, that distinction belongs to a unit who might be designated "Okhrany", which is a protectorate service, though the only real official use of this is to the FSO (Federalnaya Sluzhba Okhrany), which is the Federal Protectorate Service of Russia.

so they are veteran infantry units?,

The unit is certainly veteran, not necessarily the men who staff it.
It's a prestige unit rather than "veteran" or strictly "elite".

[Padnak]

oh yeh wow surrender monkeys are bad cheese eaters long live the queen

totes lets ignore the fact that the British can never win anything by themselves.

[Ignoring of British empire intensifies]

[Kouralia]

>not steak

thick red, well done rosbiff tipped with sterling silver cutlery

[Gallia-]

oh yeh wow surrender monkeys are bad cheese eaters long live the queen

totes lets ignore the fact that the British can never win anything by themselves.

[Ignoring of British empire intensifies]

aside from the "king", the British Empire was fighting nothing but literal stone age barbarians except the Boers

[Kouralia]

[Ignoring of British empire intensifies]

aside from the "king", the British Empire was fighting nothing but literal stone age barbarians except the Boers

Indian Kingdoms?

Random slices of France/Russia/Spain/Whoeverthefuck?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

>not steak

thick red, well done rosbiff tipped with sterling silver cutlery

>well done
>red
>roast Beef
>steak
Typical brits not knowing how steak works.

[Gallia-]

aside from the "king", the British Empire was fighting nothing but literal stone age barbarians except the Boers

Indian Kingdoms?

Random slices of France/Russia/Whoeverthefuck?

i dont remember the british empire planting its flags on paris or russia

usually france had to back it up with elanful army because the french navy is perpetually a Shit comparable to Russia, at least until the invention of the freedom reservoir commonly called "america"

[Kouralia]

thick red, well done rosbiff tipped with sterling silver cutlery

>well done
>red
>roast Beef
>steak
Typical brits not knowing how steak works.

am peasant student

i only know how to pierce the film lid of the ready meal pie mash and liquor

Indian Kingdoms?

Random slices of France/Russia/Whoeverthefuck?

i dont remember the british empire planting its flags on paris or russia

usually france had to back it up with elanful army because the french navy is perpetually a Shit comparable to Russia, at least until the invention of the freedom reservoir commonly called "america"

You don't seem to know what 'fighting' means if you're under the impression that between 1624 and 1997 there was no form of 'fighting' between Britain and France, Russia, Spain etc.

[Crookfur]

No, Guard units were rewards delivered to combat units that distinguished themselves by combat actions during the Great Patriotic War and were considered to have elite status. It in no way reflects the actual ability of the unit in terms of their level of training, but there was a certain distinction of being considered a guard. It was, and in the Russian Federation is still, considered honorable to be appointed to a Guards unit.

In military operational proceedings, Guard units were in fact considered to be "superior" to non guard units, because their officer base was generally more seasoned and experienced, and their soldiers were expected to fight with a level of intensity.

It has nothing to do with their status as a protectorate, that distinction belongs to a unit who might be designated "Okhrany", which is a protectorate service, though the only real official use of this is to the FSO (Federalnaya Sluzhba Okhrany), which is the Federal Protectorate Service of Russia.

so they are veteran infantry units?,

Nope. really its just any kind of regiment/division (more typically divisions) that has done double plus good: be it infantry, tank, airborne, airforce or naval:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gu ... _of_Russia

[Crookfur]

Indian Kingdoms?

Random slices of France/Russia/Whoeverthefuck?

i dont remember the british empire planting its flags on paris or russia

usually france had to back it up with elanful army because the french navy is perpetually a Shit comparable to Russia, at least until the invention of the freedom reservoir commonly called "america"

yes the british have actually occupied paris, they did so for at least 6 months following the penisular campaign and gave the french the idea of steak and chips as a present whilst doing so.

[Immoren]

High Mobility Infantry Vehicle MKXOXOXOX

[Yukonastan]

High Mobility Infantry Vehicle MKXOXOXOX

What if I told you

Yukonastan has issued these since independence

[Immoren]

High Mobility Infantry Vehicle MKXOXOXOX

What if I told you

Yukonastan has issued these since independence

Bike beats IFV or APC as infantry carrier in armoured formation. *nods*

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

High Mobility Infantry Vehicle MKXOXOXOX

[Netherlands intensifies]

[Yukonastan]

What if I told you

Yukonastan has issued these since independence

Bike beats IFV or APC as infantry carrier in armoured formation. *nods*

[PRACTICAL INTENSIFIES]