The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[3 State Alliance]

From what I've heard about the 'games' invented by Russian soldiers, that probably was not intended at first...

No the two Slavs got into a argument.

One proceeded to shoot the other with a Thompson.

#Gopnickparadise

So it started like that?

No impromptu game of 'Tiger Hunt'?

[Allanea]

I know that in the soviet red army some units were named "Guards" (example Guard rifles).

what did this entail? Elite infantry?

Regiments with "Guards" in their name are those who routinely guard important things, like British regiments guarding Buckingham Palace. They're usually the most elite infantry soldiers in the armed forces, like the Coldstream Guards or the Old Guard.

In the USSR, Guards units were designated after performing great feats of arms in the Second World War/

[Fordorsia]

Regiments with "Guards" in their name are those who routinely guard important things, like British regiments guarding Buckingham Palace. They're usually the most elite infantry soldiers in the armed forces, like the Coldstream Guards or the Old Guard.

In the USSR, Guards units were designated after performing great feats of arms in the Second World War/

But it wouldn't make sense just to call them Guards without it being related to the elite units defending royalty of many different countries.

[Padnak]

It was a callback to the imperial guards of Czarist Russia

[Puzikas]

No, Guard units were rewards delivered to combat units that distinguished themselves by combat actions during the Great Patriotic War and were considered to have elite status. It in no way reflects the actual ability of the unit in terms of their level of training, but there was a certain distinction of being considered a guard. It was, and in the Russian Federation is still, considered honorable to be appointed to a Guards unit.

In military operational proceedings, Guard units were in fact considered to be "superior" to non guard units, because their officer base was generally more seasoned and experienced, and their soldiers were expected to fight with a level of intensity.

It has nothing to do with their status as a protectorate, that distinction belongs to a unit who might be designated "Okhrany", which is a protectorate service, though the only real official use of this is to the FSO (Federalnaya Sluzhba Okhrany), which is the Federal Protectorate Service of Russia.

[Lompa]

This probably belongs in the Military Realism thread, but I cannot find it.

I thought about basing my nation's politics on the medieval Icelandic system. My only issue is how would it repel an invasion?

[Aqizithiuda]

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

inb4 aqi

The "stopping power" issues with .30 Carbine were a result of cold weather and ammunition quality. .30 carbine is pretty damaging actually. It isn't the best round in the world, but its actually very capable, and a very potent man stopper.

However, Sevv is correct. Marines of the 1st Marine Division during Korea reported instances of .30 carbine failing to put down enemy soldiers, and some men were issued standing orders to aim for the head.

Sauce relating to .30 Carbines ability to penetrate PLA and DPRKA winter jackets.

Sauce II, the Saucing relating to the headshootings

Fuck. You vanish, only to come back and steal my thunder.

It's good to see you again!

[Qadhiriya]

Our main service rifle is the AKM.

[Spreewerke]

Aiming for the head is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.

I don't know how applicable the information is in this context, but I thought that some users of the M1 Carbine were instructed to aim for the head instead of center-of-mass.

The only time I was told to aim for the head during handgun training was when my instructor saw I had the best group on the line and wanted me to be more challenged. That and the four failure drills we did during actual qualifications. Those were the only times rounds left center-mass.

What would you chose and why?

I imagine if I killed myself, it would be suicide-by-cop.

[Tule]

as for a lack of putting them down I've heard of this happening with nearly all rounds if i'm not mistaken the only thing I've never really heard being walked off from is a 12.7X99 or 12.7X108 to the abdomen.

That's because a 12.7mm or higher round to the abdomen is immediately fatal or you're going to die shortly thereafter.

Nope, not necessarily.

.50 BMG is a pretty late tumbler, A front-to back .50 bmg might very not be much worse than a .45 ACP wound.

There is a video on Youtube of a deer taking a .50 bmg hollow-point to the torso and running for something like 8 seconds. I would post it, but the exit wound was a pretty nasty fist-sized crater.

[Eisenstahl]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/274/2/e/guns_by_critical_art-d8167zy.png

My army's main weapons

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/274/1/d/machine_guns_by_critical_art-d816al0.png

And some machine guns for fun

Criticism is welcome.

Edit: Some Info on these weapons are in my factbooks

[San-Silvacian]

i tried to boolet

[Crookfur]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/274/2/e/guns_by_critical_art-d8167zy.png

My army's main weapons

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/274/1/d/machine_guns_by_critical_art-d816al0.png

And some machine guns for fun

Criticism is welcome.

Edit: Some Info on these weapons are in my factbooks

why is it that the smaller a 7.82mm weapon gets the higher the muzzle velocity gets?

They all look to have a similar barrel length so porviding they use the same ammo they sould all have the same muzzle velocity which assuming 7.82mm is a roughly normal power catrdige for its size would likely be 800m/s. You might want to actually look at how big actual weapons are particulalry full sized rifles and relevant types of machine guns.

6000rpm ain't happening in a single barreled gun, well it might once for a second or two before the gun explodes...

You could keep 1200rpm for the big gun but the others are msot likely goign to naturally sit in the 600-800rpm region.

In short you really need to have a good long look at the information on actual weapons (this also goes for your small arms) and start revising most of the details. One thing i would say to possibly make thigns easier is to simply not mention muzzle velocity, its a detail you save for when you describe the ammunition you use.

[Purpelia]

Purp, don't hesitate to TG us or talk to someone else like a professional or a friend/family member if you ever get the blues.

Don't worry about it. If I weren't blue I'd be red and not Purple.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

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i tried to boolet

6,8/18
Would shot

[Yukonastan]

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i tried to boolet

I... don't trust that case. That looks like a VERY thin neck.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

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i tried to boolet

I'll take tangent radii for 500, Alex.

[San-Silvacian]

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i tried to boolet

I'll take tangent radii for 500, Alex.

Idon't know how to bullet.

I into mirage iii, but boolet is 2spooky4me

[Yukonastan]

I'll take tangent radii for 500, Alex.

Idon't know how to bullet.

I into mirage iii, but boolet is 2spooky4me

I need to know the diameter of your bullet, in mm. Is it a 7.62?

[San-Silvacian]

7.5x40mm

I lit don't care really.

[Yukonastan]

7.5x40mm

I lit don't care really.

Have a boolet that works fairly well, ask Aziquithda if he can make it better. This is a simple BTFMJ bullet whose design I love, 'cause it's fairly simple and flies well. It's four times as long as its diameter, and most other dimensions are similar rations. For example, the boat tail is one diameter long, and at the bottom, is 0.8 diameters in diameter. The nose is 2 diameters long, tangent ogive, with a 0.1 diameter meplat.

[San-Silvacian]

I

Don't

Give

A fuck.

Kk lol

[Aqizithiuda]

7.5x40mm

I lit don't care really.

Have a boolet that works fairly well, ask Aziquithda if he can make it better. This is a simple BTFMJ bullet whose design I love, 'cause it's fairly simple and flies well. It's four times as long as its diameter, and most other dimensions are similar rations. For example, the boat tail is one diameter long, and at the bottom, is 0.8 diameters in diameter. The nose is 2 diameters long, tangent ogive, with a 0.1 diameter meplat.

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[Nirvash Type TheEND]

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Eww flat tails get out.

[The balkens]

No, Guard units were rewards delivered to combat units that distinguished themselves by combat actions during the Great Patriotic War and were considered to have elite status. It in no way reflects the actual ability of the unit in terms of their level of training, but there was a certain distinction of being considered a guard. It was, and in the Russian Federation is still, considered honorable to be appointed to a Guards unit.

In military operational proceedings, Guard units were in fact considered to be "superior" to non guard units, because their officer base was generally more seasoned and experienced, and their soldiers were expected to fight with a level of intensity.

It has nothing to do with their status as a protectorate, that distinction belongs to a unit who might be designated "Okhrany", which is a protectorate service, though the only real official use of this is to the FSO (Federalnaya Sluzhba Okhrany), which is the Federal Protectorate Service of Russia.

so they are veteran infantry units?,