The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Black Hand]

@BH: Modern platform (M249 system dates back to FN MAG and thus partially to MG42), developing a replacement is always good, lighter ammo, yayayayaya.

the options as i see it are one of the following three
1. standardize the M249 SPW (or the Mk48) to lower the weight as much as possible and improve performance in built up area's
2. Adopt the proposed 7.62 variant of the LSAT prototype
3. Replace or upgrade the M16/M4 to accept the new LSAT telescoped or caseless ammunition.

Also the M249 and FN mag are not related to the MG42, roller locked blowback and long stroke gas are very diferent.

[Sevvania]

I don't know how applicable the information is in this context, but I thought that some users of the M1 Carbine were instructed to aim for the head instead of center-of-mass.

Tell me more, I am curious.

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

[Black Hand]

Tell me more, I am curious.

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

So less official training more multiple carbine wielding infantry wined about it not being either A: 30-06 or B: automatic like the M1A1(the US army really needs to get this #1 thing under control) So their officers simply told them to aim for the head. and given the situation the weapon was likely to be used in it wasn't an out right terrible idea.
part of this is that the M1A3 carbine is probably the sexiest weapon used In WWII

[San-Silvacian]

No army needs automatic weaponry for every infantryman.

LMGs, GPMGs, etc work fine with everyone else getting some kind of semi-automatic rifles.

[Padnak]

RPK's issued to every man

[enemies of the state removal intensifies]

[San-Silvacian]

RPK's issued to every man

[enemies of the state removal intensifies]

tats dumb.

[Mallaska]

Hey, what should equip as my squad-level AT weapon as a NATO-centric MT nation? I was thinking a Carl Gustav or an AT4. Would these be suitable against a modern armored vehicle?

[San-Silvacian]

Hey, what should equip as my squad-level AT weapon as a NATO-centric MT nation? I was thinking a Carl Gustav or an AT4. Would these be suitable against a modern armored vehicle?

Eryx ATGM
MBT-LAW

There are other systems as well.

[Puzikas]

Tell me more, I am curious.

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

inb4 aqi

The "stopping power" issues with .30 Carbine were a result of cold weather and ammunition quality. .30 carbine is pretty damaging actually. It isn't the best round in the world, but its actually very capable, and a very potent man stopper.

However, Sevv is correct. Marines of the 1st Marine Division during Korea reported instances of .30 carbine failing to put down enemy soldiers, and some men were issued standing orders to aim for the head.

Sauce relating to .30 Carbines ability to penetrate PLA and DPRKA winter jackets.

Sauce II, the Saucing relating to the headshootings

[San-Silvacian]

There is a story of Soviet crewmen shooting at each other with a Thompson SMG and the rounds not penetrating their heavy winter coats which were frozen/wet.

[Mallaska]

Hey, what should equip as my squad-level AT weapon as a NATO-centric MT nation? I was thinking a Carl Gustav or an AT4. Would these be suitable against a modern armored vehicle?

Eryx ATGM
MBT-LAW

There are other systems as well.

Okay, thanks for the input. I think I'll go with the MBT-LAW.

[Tule]

Overpenetrating 7.62x51mmB flechette round of overpenetration.

(Image)

Because tearing a hole a few mm in diameter through someone's rifle, rifle plate, their body, the rifle plate behind it, the pack behind that, and the arm of the machine gunner following is utterly underrated.*

*performance may vary

O"H SHIT I'M HIT, I'M BLEEDING I...

Oh it stopped. Never mind keep shooting."

[Allanea]

There is a story of Soviet crewmen shooting at each other with a Thompson SMG and the rounds not penetrating their heavy winter coats which were frozen/wet.

"And then they all died of pneumonia", I imagine.

[San-Silvacian]

There is a story of Soviet crewmen shooting at each other with a Thompson SMG and the rounds not penetrating their heavy winter coats which were frozen/wet.

"And then they all died of pneumonia", I imagine.

No they then drive M4 Shermans to crush Fascist menace.

[Black Hand]

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

inb4 aqi

The "stopping power" issues with .30 Carbine were a result of cold weather and ammunition quality. .30 carbine is pretty damaging actually. It isn't the best round in the world, but its actually very capable, and a very potent man stopper.

However, Sevv is correct. Marines of the 1st Marine Division during Korea reported instances of .30 carbine failing to put down enemy soldiers, and some men were issued standing orders to aim for the head.

Sauce relating to .30 Carbines ability to penetrate PLA and DPRKA winter jackets.

Sauce II, the Saucing relating to the headshootings

Huh. that's actually quite interesting. So what i'm reading from this is that not only did .30 carbine likely not have an issue penetrating the jackets as much as missing. My follow up question would be curiosity as to how common the M1 carbine was with marines

as for a lack of putting them down I've heard of this happening with nearly all rounds if i'm not mistaken the only thing I've never really heard being walked off from is a 12.7X99 or 12.7X108 to the abdomen.

Also I missed you Puz. how have you been? If you don't mind me firing a few TG's your way I have some questions

[The Republic of Lanos]

as for a lack of putting them down I've heard of this happening with nearly all rounds if i'm not mistaken the only thing I've never really heard being walked off from is a 12.7X99 or 12.7X108 to the abdomen.

That's because a 12.7mm or higher round to the abdomen is immediately fatal or you're going to die shortly thereafter.

[Black Hand]

as for a lack of putting them down I've heard of this happening with nearly all rounds if i'm not mistaken the only thing I've never really heard being walked off from is a 12.7X99 or 12.7X108 to the abdomen.

That's because a 12.7mm or higher round to the abdomen is immediately fatal or you're going to die shortly thereafter.

Exactly Lanos.

[San-Silvacian]

USMC squads changed a bit from the start of WW2 to the end.

M1 Carbines just found their way into the hands of Marines really.

If anything you'd find NCOs and such with them, while your rifle squad would be all M1 Garands, etc.

[The balkens]

As I understand it, US soldiers who were issued M1 Carbines had some complaints about the stopping power behind .30 Carbine, to the point where some people issued standing orders to aim for the head.

inb4 aqi

The "stopping power" issues with .30 Carbine were a result of cold weather and ammunition quality. .30 carbine is pretty damaging actually. It isn't the best round in the world, but its actually very capable, and a very potent man stopper.

However, Sevv is correct. Marines of the 1st Marine Division during Korea reported instances of .30 carbine failing to put down enemy soldiers, and some men were issued standing orders to aim for the head.

Sauce relating to .30 Carbines ability to penetrate PLA and DPRKA winter jackets.

Sauce II, the Saucing relating to the headshootings

Puz has returned, oh boy.

[The balkens]

I know that in the soviet red army some units were named "Guards" (example Guard rifles).

what did this entail? Elite infantry?

[San-Silvacian]

I know that in the soviet red army some units were named "Guards" (example Guard rifles).

what did this entail? Elite infantry?

They didn't die in 20 minutes.

[3 State Alliance]

There is a story of Soviet crewmen shooting at each other with a Thompson SMG and the rounds not penetrating their heavy winter coats which were frozen/wet.

From what I've heard about the 'games' invented by Russian soldiers, that probably was not intended at first...

[Padnak]

I know that in the soviet red army some units were named "Guards" (example Guard rifles).

what did this entail? Elite infantry?

My understanding is that the "Guards" title was given to units that fought in the second world war and were generally given new equipment first although I could be wrong

[Fordorsia]

I know that in the soviet red army some units were named "Guards" (example Guard rifles).

what did this entail? Elite infantry?

Regiments with "Guards" in their name are those who routinely guard important things, like British regiments guarding Buckingham Palace. They're usually the most elite infantry soldiers in the armed forces, like the Coldstream Guards or the Old Guard.

[San-Silvacian]

There is a story of Soviet crewmen shooting at each other with a Thompson SMG and the rounds not penetrating their heavy winter coats which were frozen/wet.

From what I've heard about the 'games' invented by Russian soldiers, that probably was not intended at first...

No the two Slavs got into a argument.

One proceeded to shoot the other with a Thompson.

#Gopnickparadise