The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Black Hand]

clearing a room and your weapon locks because the projected burst has an unacceptably high probability of hitting the squad next door.

This is a good way to die really fast

my question as to the 5,56 and 7,62 is that those things exist. as 5,56 and 7,62 SLAP

Yuko is suggesting flechettes, which are a slightly different beast.

Ahh I lost this part somewhere

with a focus on penetration and using your micro calibers makes shot placement more important due to lack of terminal performance. however your infantry rifles should be more easily controlled due to lower recoil impulse and in short bursts might allow greater precision.

Also something I've given a fair deal of thought to. As I see it, one round may not be overly lethal, but 3 - 5 in a high cyclic burst won't do you any good. Too, stupid as it sounds, I imagine such a rifle would make headshots trivially easy, at eyebrow waggling range at least.

Aiming for the head is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.
Look at it this way. marksmen (or snipers) don't aim for the head, they're using single shot or semi-automatic, by this logic they have no reason to not go for headshots especially given the fact that they are not using High MOA flechettes like your rifle is. You would be better off hoping to land multiple impacts from a single burst or taking advantage of the low recoil impulse and high rate of fire to achieve more accurate automatic fire.

Oh, top page?
Page 33 in fact I mean i could post a Hk33 and please arch and the other HK lovers but....fuck you have a K31

[Yukonastan]

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Since we're discussing flechette/comparable ammunition, have my take on an experimental belted 7.62x51mm :not:NEATO flechette cartridge.

You and those belts... Waarom?

SHADDUP OH I SHANK YO AND SUCK YO DICK.
BELTED RIMLESS CARTRIDGES R SEXEH.

At least, I find 'em more visually interesting to draw. It's true. They're more visually interesting than rimless cartridges, at least when drawn.

Not to mention the fact that caseless telescoped 4.7x33 is godawfully ugly.

[Tule]

overpenetration has it's downsides especially in FIBUA, unless the area uses predominately concrete or stone. Its going to get real nasty for your soldiers due to friendly fire incidents. On the other hand the ability to fire at targets through moderate cover is a nice boon as well as allowing them to pose a greater threat to lightly armored vehicles.

my question as to the 5,56 and 7,62 is that those things exist. as 5,56 and 7,62 SLAP

with a focus on penetration and using your micro calibers makes shot placement more important due to lack of terminal performance. however your infantry rifles should be more easily controlled due to lower recoil impulse and in short bursts might allow greater precision.

This takes SLAP, adds fins, stretches the core out significantly while making it a lot thinner, and wraps a larger sabot around it to compensate.

Edit:

I've got a number crunched for an infantry LRP, using the Newton approximation.

With a 55mm long tungsten projectile (2.4mm dia, didn't compute in kolbe) I should get around 135mm of penetration through mild steel. Is this unreasonably high?

Under ideal circumstances it might be possible.

At 2.4x55mm however, your terminal effectiveness will be simply insufficient.

Not sub-optimal, insufficient. Your flechette will be too heavy to de-stabilize and you end up making holes in enemy troops that will probably constrict and clot shut by themselves.

These days, handgun wounds to the abdomen often don't even need surgery. And those wounds are much bigger than what you are going to make.

[Aqizithiuda]

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Since we're discussing flechette/comparable ammunition, have my take on an experimental belted 7.62x51mm :not:NEATO flechette cartridge.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/860897.pdf

I'd at least give the flechette an asymmetric tip so that it will yaw in bodies.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

This is a good way to die really fast

Think of it more as... 'incentive' to use those fancy sword bayonets everyone's issued.

... I think I'm becoming Purp.

Aiming for the head is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.

I see someone is unprepared to take the zombie hordes.

Look at it this way. marksmen (or snipers) don't aim for the head, they're using single shot or semi-automatic, by this logic they have no reason to not go for headshots especially given the fact that they are not using High MOA flechettes like your rifle is.

I see what you're saying, but you're a tad off from what I was suggesting. There's a difference between going for headshots with a single shot, high MoA rifle at 400m +, and going for headshots with a burst firing high MoA rifle from across the room. That said, it was a comment made largely for humor, and not meant to be taken seriously.

You would be better off hoping to land multiple impacts from a single burst or taking advantage of the low recoil impulse and high rate of fire to achieve more accurate automatic fire.

Bingo. I couldn't have put it better myself.

i could post a Hk33 and please arch and the other HK lovers but....fuck you have a K31

*Angry face*

Still, a beautiful rifle and a decent choice in my opinion.

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SHADDUP OH I SHANK YO AND SUCK YO DICK.
BELTED RIMLESS CARTRIDGES R SEXEH.

I'm scaroused.

At least, I find 'em more visually interesting to draw. It's true. They're more visually interesting than rimless cartridges, at least when drawn.

Fair ebough, I suppose.

Not to mention the fact that caseless telescoped 4.7x33 is godawfully ugly.

*Double angry face*

[Sevvania]

Aiming for the head is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.

I don't know how applicable the information is in this context, but I thought that some users of the M1 Carbine were instructed to aim for the head instead of center-of-mass.

[Purpelia]

Here is a question for you all. Say one day your life goes bad. And I mean really bad. So bad that taking a trip to Mordor to see if Sauron can cheer you up via torture sounds like a good plan. Thus, you feel like you have no choice but to kill your self. Luckily for you through the will of an omnipotent source of power you have been granted the privilege of picking any firearm from world history that you like. Be that a rifle, handgun, blunderbuss, anti tank rifle or hell a howitzer if you feel like it.

What would you chose and why?

[Bezombia]

Here is a question for you all. Say one day your life goes bad. And I mean really bad. So bad that taking a trip to Mordor to see if Sauron can cheer you up via torture sounds like a good plan. Thus, you feel like you have no choice but to kill your self. Luckily for you through the will of an omnipotent source of power you have been granted the privilege of picking any firearm from world history that you like. Be that a rifle, handgun, blunderbuss, anti tank rifle or hell a howitzer if you feel like it.

What would you chose and why?

the dubstep gun from sr4

[The balkens]

MG42, so i can hear an awesome sound before i die.

[Kouralia]

Here is a question for you all. Say one day your life goes bad. And I mean really bad. So bad that taking a trip to Mordor to see if Sauron can cheer you up via torture sounds like a good plan. Thus, you feel like you have no choice but to kill your self. Luckily for you through the will of an omnipotent source of power you have been granted the privilege of picking any firearm from world history that you like. Be that a rifle, handgun, blunderbuss, anti tank rifle or hell a howitzer if you feel like it.

What would you chose and why?

the dubstep gun from wh40k

[Bezombia]

Here is a question for you all. Say one day your life goes bad. And I mean really bad. So bad that taking a trip to Mordor to see if Sauron can cheer you up via torture sounds like a good plan. Thus, you feel like you have no choice but to kill your self. Luckily for you through the will of an omnipotent source of power you have been granted the privilege of picking any firearm from world history that you like. Be that a rifle, handgun, blunderbuss, anti tank rifle or hell a howitzer if you feel like it.

What would you chose and why?

the dubstep gun from wh40k

u wonna faking go m9
mi dubstoop gun'll rek ur wubstep gun 11/11 times week m8

[Kouralia]

the dubstep gun from wh40k

u wonna faking go m9
mi dubstoop gun'll rek ur wubstep gun 11/11 times week m8

wh40k = wank epitomised

nothing can outwank 40k (-ish)

[Bezombia]

u wonna faking go m9
mi dubstoop gun'll rek ur wubstep gun 11/11 times week m8

wh40k = wank epitomised

nothing can outwank 40k (-ish)

nothing...except sr4

[Yukonastan]

u wonna faking go m9
mi dubstoop gun'll rek ur wubstep gun 11/11 times week m8

wh40k = wank epitomised

nothing can outwank 40k (-ish)

K-reich has outwanked WH40K numerous times.
Then again :nazi: mixed with :grimdark: tends to do that.

Anyway, guns to commit suicide with: Skrub Cannon (SC-42, Final Stand) from BF4, or its real-life equivalent, MetalStorm.

[Korva]

u wonna faking go m9
mi dubstoop gun'll rek ur wubstep gun 11/11 times week m8

wh40k = wank epitomised

nothing can outwank 40k (-ish)

At least 40k was self-aware once.

[Sevvania]

What would you chose and why?

I don't know if "What gun would you blow your brains out with?" is the greatest discussion topic for the Infantry Thread. "What gun would you take on a suicide mission?", maybe.

[Bezombia]

Anyway, guns to commit suicide with: Skrub Cannon (SC-42, Final Stand) from BF4, or its real-life equivalent, MetalStorm.

even better:

dual wield gold plated fully automatic deagles

[Tule]

Here is a question for you all. Say one day your life goes bad. And I mean really bad. So bad that taking a trip to Mordor to see if Sauron can cheer you up via torture sounds like a good plan. Thus, you feel like you have no choice but to kill your self. Luckily for you through the will of an omnipotent source of power you have been granted the privilege of picking any firearm from world history that you like. Be that a rifle, handgun, blunderbuss, anti tank rifle or hell a howitzer if you feel like it.

What would you chose and why?

1) I would go out with a proper bang.
2) It would give the residents of Las Vegas something spectacular to behold.
3) It would be utterly painless
4) It would cremate me and scatter my ashes simultaneously.
5) It would be utterly reliable, no risk of living with a disfigurement.

[New Visegrad]

wh40k = wank epitomised

nothing can outwank 40k (-ish)

K-reich has outwanked WH40K numerous times.
Then again :nazi: mixed with :grimdark: tends to do that.

Anyway, guns to commit suicide with: Skrub Cannon (SC-42, Final Stand) from BF4, or its real-life equivalent, MetalStorm.

K-reich is WH40K, except with Nazis and the mid-20th century. Like, literally.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

What would you chose and why?

Bit of a dark subject. Everything alright mate?

It depends on the situation, really. If it's some type of immediate "I wanna get offed by" *bang* deals then I'd have to go for something clean. Probably something in ,22 short. Wouldn't want a massive mess for the family to deal with, eh? Otherwise. . . probably that one nuclear artillery shell. That way I can finally feel the loving embrace if the atom.

[Tule]

What would you chose and why?

Bit of a dark subject. Everything alright mate?

It depends on the situation, really. If it's some type of immediate "I wanna get offed by" *bang* deals then I'd have to go for something clean. Probably something in ,22 short. Wouldn't want a massive mess for the family to deal with, eh? Otherwise. . . probably that one nuclear artillery shell. That way I can finally feel the loving embrace if the atom.

Good point.

Purp, don't hesitate to TG us or talk to someone else like a professional or a friend/family member if you ever get the blues.

Not saying you have it, just putting it out there.

[Yukonastan]

Overpenetrating 7.62x51mmB flechette round of overpenetration.



Because tearing a hole a few mm in diameter through someone's rifle, rifle plate, their body, the rifle plate behind it, the pack behind that, and the arm of the machine gunner following is utterly underrated.*

*performance may vary

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Overpenetrating 7.62x51mmB flechette round of overpenetration.

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Because tearing a hole a few mm in diameter through someone's rifle, rifle plate, their body, the rifle plate behind it, the pack behind that, and the arm of the machine gunner following is utterly underrated.*

*performance may vary

Feh. The tail must touch the flash holes, and the tip should either be asymmetrical, as Aqiz suggested, or made of a softer material than the rest of it.

[Black Hand]

Look at it this way. marksmen (or snipers) don't aim for the head, they're using single shot or semi-automatic, by this logic they have no reason to not go for headshots especially given the fact that they are not using High MOA flechettes like your rifle is.

I see what you're saying, but you're a tad off from what I was suggesting. There's a difference between going for headshots with a single shot, high MoA rifle at 400m +, and going for headshots with a burst firing high MoA rifle from across the room. That said, it was a comment made largely for humor, and not meant to be taken seriously.

Ahh I wasn't sure

You would be better off hoping to land multiple impacts from a single burst or taking advantage of the low recoil impulse and high rate of fire to achieve more accurate automatic fire.

Bingo. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Still relying on multiple impacts to cause fatal damage is not exactly the best idea. though it's all in the process as it turns a lot of cover into concealment. So take that as you will.

i could post a Hk33 and please arch and the other HK lovers but....fuck you have a K31

*Angry face*

Still, a beautiful rifle and a decent choice in my opinion. [/quote]
I aim to displease

Aiming for the head is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.

I don't know how applicable the information is in this context, but I thought that some users of the M1 Carbine were instructed to aim for the head instead of center-of-mass.

Tell me more, I am curious.

here's a question that I need explained
US army adopts M249 to supplement M60
US army adopts M240 to replace M60
US army begins development of LSAT
Now unless I'm mistaken GPMG's have proven far more valuable than LMG's as well as the fact that the LSAT is not capable of sharing ammunition with the M16/M4.
Why is the LSAT making such progress

[Yukonastan]

Overpenetrating 7.62x51mmB flechette round of overpenetration.

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Because tearing a hole a few mm in diameter through someone's rifle, rifle plate, their body, the rifle plate behind it, the pack behind that, and the arm of the machine gunner following is utterly underrated.*

*performance may vary

Feh. The tail must touch the flash holes, and the tip should either be asymmetrical, as Aqiz suggested, or made of a softer material than the rest of it.

But... but... My powder capacity (hence my velocity) will suffer! How will I blow a hole through half a squad's worth of infantry now?

As for asymmetrical tip, why not go all the way and put some mercury in it, a la (what was that movie again) dumdums?

@BH: Modern platform (M249 system dates back to FN MAG and thus partially to MG42), developing a replacement is always good, lighter ammo, yayayayaya.