The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[New Tsavon]

AA-12 with Beta C mag anyone ?

For what purpose?

The AA-12 is nice and all, but automatic shotguns are an incredibly niche weapon.

[Purpelia]

And it's out: Expanded Powley Calculator

Report any bugs you find to my TG.

[Crookfur]

Is there anything wrong with using .223 Remington firearms like the Daewoo K1 other than the need to be consistent and not mix 5.56 and .223 weapons/ammo because :logistics:?

I'm not entire sure but it seems to me that the author of the wiki article on the K1 is mixing up .223 remington with the early M193 loading for 5.56x45mm.

IIRC all korean military rifles would be (as would any rifle supplied for military use) chambered for and proofed using 5.56mm ammo but since the K1 is from before the NATO trials that lead to the heavier SS109/M855 loading for 5.56x45mm it would make snese that it had the rifling better suited to the lighter and faster intial loadings.

To be honest if we are delaing with 30 year old plus guns you will likely be getting them refurbished and a big part of that would be new barrels which would let you shift over to the more recent M855 ammo with the 1 in 7 twist rate if you wanted. Both loadings are availble comercially so there is no real odds in that regard.

[Crookfur]

Meh.

COOOOOOOOL

>cool
>glorified cleaver

Pick one.

Fuck you half a Sapper's job is to cleave. And Sappers are cool so therefore it's cool

Sappers don't need knives to cleave, they have detcord, lots and lots of detcord.

Post ww2 most engineer's tasks would be acheived using maximum explosives and even then since about ww1 The Royal Engineers only really used blades for minehunting the fun way which requires a longish but easy to handle blade for poking the ground with.

[Fordorsia]

Wow just crush my dreams :c

[Purpelia]

Post ww2 most engineer's tasks would be acheived using maximum explosives and even then since about ww1 The Royal Engineers only really used blades for minehunting the fun way which requires a longish but easy to handle blade for poking the ground with.

Would it make sense to keep some ancient WW1 long rifles in stock for these purposes?

[Crookfur]

Wow just crush my dreams :c

nope just gently redirecting you towards a more rewarding kaboom filled path.

[Purpelia]

Wow just crush my dreams :c

nope just gently redirecting you towards a more rewarding kaboom filled path.

Explosions are so 2000's. Get with the period. Stab is the new kaboom.

[Fordorsia]

Wow just crush my dreams :c

nope just gently redirecting you towards a more rewarding kaboom filled path.

Oh Ford sappers have explosives. I just figured that out of everyone they'd need a big knife the most.

[Crookfur]

Post ww2 most engineer's tasks would be acheived using maximum explosives and even then since about ww1 The Royal Engineers only really used blades for minehunting the fun way which requires a longish but easy to handle blade for poking the ground with.

Would it make sense to keep some ancient WW1 long rifles in stock for these purposes?

The bayonets perhaps but probably not the rifles as fun time mine hunting means shuffling along on your belly probing for the subtle signs of a mine (i.e. poke,clunk).

Whilst a stick or rifle will give you a bit of stand off (not enough) it also reduces the amount of tactile feedback you get and makes you less precise.

[Crookfur]

nope just gently redirecting you towards a more rewarding kaboom filled path.

Oh Ford sappers have explosives. I just figured that out of everyone they'd need a big knife the most.

Speak to any RL engineer and they will go on about leathermans, multitools and wire cutter bayonets, basically anything that makes deploying or removing the kaboom easier. Well those and pickaxes, they still have a thing for pickaxes and probably always will.

[Purpelia]

Why pickaxes?

[New Tsavon]

You know what else is great for clearing mines?

Nuclear groundbursts.

[Fordorsia]

Oh Ford sappers have explosives. I just figured that out of everyone they'd need a big knife the most.

Speak to any RL engineer and they will go on about leathermans, multitools and wire cutter bayonets, basically anything that makes deploying or removing the kaboom easier. Well those and pickaxes, they still have a thing for pickaxes and probably always will.

They don't just have big knives. They'd have multitools and/or smaller knives. The big knives are just for when they'd need an axe but can't carry one.

Plus Fordorsian sappers have always had big knives. What do you expect me to do, drop tradition in favour of practicality?

Why pickaxes?

Pickaxes break up Earth. Shovels shovel it away. They're most useful when together.

[Azurg]

Ik heb een vraag!
If liquid propellants are between five and ten times more powerful than modern smokeless powders, does that mean I only need 1/5th to 1/10th the stuff to achieve similar effects?

[Crookfur]

Why pickaxes?

digging, sappers started out digging tunnels with picks and to this day nobody has come up with a better way of digging holes in hard ground when the mechanised gear isn't on hand.


Ford: sappers will always have thier big tools with them even if it means sticking them down the back of your pack and humphing them up a bloody big mountain.

if for flavour you want big knives thats of course fine, I would never stand in the way of that its just that such things have never really been part of sapper's/engineer's kit. Its more likely for pioneers/assault pioneers to have something like that for bursh clearnace.

[Triplebaconation]

A big knife is a poor substitute for an ax, especially if there are rifles available.

It's hard not to imagine these big knives being ditched at the first opportunity.

[Fordorsia]

The knives aren't a substitute for proper tools. They're just something they can carry around all day

Now leave me and my beautiful knives alone :'c

[Yukonastan]

Ik heb een vraag!
If liquid propellants are between five and ten times more powerful than modern smokeless powders, does that mean I only need 1/5th to 1/10th the stuff to achieve similar effects?

No. It means you use half the propellant for five times the gas produced, so why not go straight liquid propellant in conventional cases and get lolhueg velocities and muzzle flashes?

[Gallia-]

Ik heb een vraag!
If liquid propellants are between five and ten times more powerful than modern smokeless powders, does that mean I only need 1/5th to 1/10th the stuff to achieve similar effects?

This is generally how multiplication works, yes.

Liquid propellants are much more difficult to actually weaponise though, just ask the US Army!

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

No. It means you use half the propellant for five times the gas produced, so why not go straight liquid propellant in conventional cases and get lolhueg velocities and muzzle flashes?

Because straight liquid propellant in tround cases better fits the weapon I had in mind.

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This is generally how multiplication works, yes.

That's what I thought. In my experience though, it's better to ask and be thought a moron than to charge ahead and be thought a complete retard.

Liquid propellants are much more difficult to actually weaponise though, just ask the US Army!

So I've noticed. I suspect I could easily handwave said difficulties in a late 21st to early 22nd century timeframe.

[Gallia-]

By 2100s you should probably just be issuing atomic missiles and stuff.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

By 2100s you should probably just be issuing atomic missiles and stuff.

True, although I imagine some things may require a slightly more delicate approach.

[Immoren]

By 2100s you should probably just be issuing atomic missiles and stuff.

True, although I imagine some things may require a slightly more delicate approach.

Then you'll deploy knife missile. *nods*

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You know what else is great for clearing mines?

Children?

Nuclear groundbursts.

Oh. Dammit.