The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Ulfr-Reich]

Correct

Now that would be great in the hands of the Fenrir Korps so I can remove kebab AND communists.

Damn right.

[Fordorsia]

Correct

Now that would be great in the hands of the Fenrir Korps so I can remove kebab AND communists.

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

[Purpelia]

Now that would be great in the hands of the Fenrir Korps so I can remove kebab AND communists.

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

Mall ninja best ninja.

[Ulfr-Reich]

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

Mall ninja best ninja.

Mall Ninjas' are a scourge upon humanity; remove them like a croatian on the Serbian border.

[The balkens]

Now that would be great in the hands of the Fenrir Korps so I can remove kebab AND communists.

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

D:

MALL NINJAS!?

[Sevvania]

What was that Dual barreled '42 that I creamed myself over?

MG-14Z or what have you?

Now that would be great in the hands of the Fenrir Korps so I can remove kebab AND communists.

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

As I understand it, it was proposed as a cheaper alternative to miniguns. I don't see anything inherently terrible about it. It's kinda weird, and it's not very pretty, but if you need a ridiculous fire rate and don't want to bother with batteries, it seems like a decent enough solution. I don't think it's something that infantry are intended to tote around.

*coughcoughWinchester Salvo RiflehurkPriborcough*

[Fordorsia]

What was that Dual barreled '42 that I creamed myself over?

MG-14Z or what have you?

No it wouldn't. It's a terrible concept meant only to sell to mall ninjas. Don't do it. Pls

As I understand it, it was proposed as a cheaper alternative to miniguns. I don't see anything inherently terrible about it. It's kinda weird, and it's not very pretty, but if you need a ridiculous fire rate and don't want to bother with batteries, it seems like a decent enough solution.

Unless it's for close anti air or close air support, you no longer need massive amounts of fire from one weapon.

Besides, the dual feed would just cause issues with reloading, fixing malfunctions, weight, no longer having the trigger guard as a brass deflector. I don't even think a real one has been made. Looking at it, it's just a mock up. It looks much simpler than it actually would be due to the "tactical" paint job and the lack of detail on the reciever.

It would be an awful military weapon.

[The balkens]

I'll just stick to a MG-3 then.

[Bezombia]

[Aqizithiuda]

I've been looking at torsion artillery lately, and I've found this wonderful picture:



The plate is 1/4 inch mild steel and the range was 53 yards. The bolt weighed 453 teams and was moving at 82.57 m/s.

The ballista has since been improved and can launch at 521 gram dart at 96 m/s, giving it a range of about 800 yards, depending on what the wind's doing.



The smallest bolt, pictured above, weighs 276 grams, has an initial velocity of 109.73 m/s and can reach 1000 yards.



Shown here without the cocking handles, the ballista is modular to the point of being able to swap out the cylinders containing the rope bundles for new ones. Historically, it would have been carried by a mule cart, but it could probably also be stripped down completely, the components mounted on a mule, and taken through areas where carts can't go. So, wherever the infantry can so, so can the artillery.

The downside is, the fire rate for a trained crew will probably only be 4-5 shots every five minutes.

[Ulfr-Reich]

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That is gorgeous. I need to finish making a bic` for arrow/bolt-head sockets; blimey, thanks for the reminder!

[Fordorsia]

I've been looking at torsion artillery lately, and I've found this wonderful picture:

(Image)

The plate is 1/4 inch mild steel and the range was 53 yards. The bolt weighed 453 teams and was moving at 82.57 m/s.

The ballista has since been improved and can launch at 521 gram dart at 96 m/s, giving it a range of about 800 yards, depending on what the wind's doing.

(Image)

The smallest bolt, pictured above, weighs 276 grams, has an initial velocity of 109.73 m/s and can reach 1000 yards.

(Image)

Shown here without the cocking handles, the ballista is modular to the point of being able to swap out the cylinders containing the rope bundles for new ones. Historically, it would have been carried by a mule cart, but it could probably also be stripped down completely, the components mounted on a mule, and taken through areas where carts can't go. So, wherever the infantry can so, so can the artillery.

The downside is, the fire rate for a trained crew will probably only be 4-5 shots every five minutes.

Ballistae could only get a couple shots off per minute so that rate of fire, if accurate, would be like the invention of breech loading cannons.

[Aqizithiuda]

I've been looking at torsion artillery lately, and I've found this wonderful picture:

(Image)

The plate is 1/4 inch mild steel and the range was 53 yards. The bolt weighed 453 teams and was moving at 82.57 m/s.

The ballista has since been improved and can launch at 521 gram dart at 96 m/s, giving it a range of about 800 yards, depending on what the wind's doing.

(Image)

The smallest bolt, pictured above, weighs 276 grams, has an initial velocity of 109.73 m/s and can reach 1000 yards.

(Image)

Shown here without the cocking handles, the ballista is modular to the point of being able to swap out the cylinders containing the rope bundles for new ones. Historically, it would have been carried by a mule cart, but it could probably also be stripped down completely, the components mounted on a mule, and taken through areas where carts can't go. So, wherever the infantry can so, so can the artillery.

The downside is, the fire rate for a trained crew will probably only be 4-5 shots every five minutes.

Ballistae could only get a couple shots off per minute so that rate of fire, if accurate, would be like the invention of breech loading cannons.

A couple of shots ever minute is slower than one shot every minute fifteen?

[Fordorsia]

Ballistae could only get a couple shots off per minute so that rate of fire, if accurate, would be like the invention of breech loading cannons.

A couple of shots ever minute is slower than one shot every minute fifteen?

what

No I mean if full-sized ballistae somehow evolved to be able to fire more than 5 rounds per minute, it would be the equivilant of muzzle-loading cannons being made obsolete by breech-loading ones. It would be that game changing.

[Aqizithiuda]

A couple of shots ever minute is slower than one shot every minute fifteen?

what

No I mean if full-sized ballistae somehow evolved to be able to fire more than 5 rounds per minute, it would be the equivilant of muzzle-loading cannons being made obsolete by breech-loading ones. It would be that game changing.

I don't think it's possible. Below is a picture of a smaller ballista capable of 3 bolts per minute.



With a range of 180 metres using 100 gram projectiles, it's not particularly impressive. Now, no doubt there can be improvements made (like using an inswinger design instead of an outswinger, perhaps twisting the bundles more, using a better rope, etc), but it's never going to match the larger, cart mounted ballista I first posted. An even larger ballista than that will be slower to fire, and so on and so forth up the line.

[Fordorsia]

what

No I mean if full-sized ballistae somehow evolved to be able to fire more than 5 rounds per minute, it would be the equivilant of muzzle-loading cannons being made obsolete by breech-loading ones. It would be that game changing.

I don't think it's possible. Below is a picture of a smaller ballista capable of 3 bolts per minute.



With a range of 180 metres using 100 gram projectiles, it's not particularly impressive. Now, no doubt there can be improvements made (like using an inswinger design instead of an outswinger, perhaps twisting the bundles more, using a better rope, etc), but it's never going to match the larger, cart mounted ballista I first posted. An even larger ballista than that will be slower to fire, and so on and so forth up the line.

Oh it definitely wasn't possible back then with full-sized pieces. That's why reconstructions are always really slow to load.

If they had better lever and pulley technology though, like civilian devices similar to the cranequin and the windlass, it would have been inevitable that faster firing artillery of all types would have sprung up early on. Rome would have fucked things up even more.

[Aqizithiuda]

I don't think it's possible. Below is a picture of a smaller ballista capable of 3 bolts per minute.



With a range of 180 metres using 100 gram projectiles, it's not particularly impressive. Now, no doubt there can be improvements made (like using an inswinger design instead of an outswinger, perhaps twisting the bundles more, using a better rope, etc), but it's never going to match the larger, cart mounted ballista I first posted. An even larger ballista than that will be slower to fire, and so on and so forth up the line.

Oh it definitely wasn't possible back then with full-sized pieces. That's why reconstructions are always really slow to load.

If they had better lever and pulley technology though, like civilian devices similar to the cranequin and the windlass, it would have been inevitable that faster firing artillery of all types would have sprung up early on. Rome would have fucked things up even more.

The cranequin might offer an advantage with the smaller pieces (draw weighs <1000lbs), but the larger pieces, like the first one I posted, already use something similar to a windlass. Most of the time comes from unwinding the windlass, placing the bolt and attaching the pull cord to the trigger mechanism.

[Fordorsia]

Oh it definitely wasn't possible back then with full-sized pieces. That's why reconstructions are always really slow to load.

If they had better lever and pulley technology though, like civilian devices similar to the cranequin and the windlass, it would have been inevitable that faster firing artillery of all types would have sprung up early on. Rome would have fucked things up even more.

The cranequin might offer an advantage with the smaller pieces (draw weighs <1000lbs), but the larger pieces, like the first one I posted, already use something similar to a windlass. Most of the time comes from unwinding the windlass, placing the bolt and attaching the pull cord to the trigger mechanism.

How simple was the mechanism for the ballista though? Something tells me they didn't really know about torque and using different sized gears to make drawing them much easier. I suspect that most of them maybe up until the latest years of the Roman Empire just had to be drawn using one gear.

[Kouralia]

Anyone have any very old, strange, or neato unit traditions or anything?

Fordorsian Sappers have always been under strict orders to keep their tools is perfect condition. Though it's an outdated and uncommon practice, commanding officers are authorised to inflict any punishment they see fit if a tool is found to not be perfectly clean and sharpened, within the bounds of common law of course. (no torture, assault, etc)

Oh and Sappers are permitted by law to eat with their knives at any occasion, military or civilian.

Oh god. You realise that if traditions had mass, the Kouralian Army would be like a black hole?

Here are some examples:

• Many units have their own terms for people, for example a Company in a Cavalry unit is a Squadron, and a Private in the Royal Guard is a Guardsman. There are a few units which take this a little bit far:
  
  • The Royal Army Medical Corps' juniormost members were originally stretcher bearers, who in the early 19th century where the drummers and pipers etc. of the regimental band. In battle, as the casualties mounted, these bandsmen would then stop playing and take the wounded back to the surgeons - this role gradually transitioned and changed with the formation of the separate Army Medical Corps and Bands' Corps, however the name stuck. Thus the rank of Pte in the RAMC is now 'Bandsman', given as Bdsm.
  • In the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse, all Ptes are referred to as 'Comrades', shortened to 'Cds'. This also extends to all ranks, with the full formal title being 'Comrade *rank*' and the less formal term being 'Comrade'. This replaces instances of 'sir', and applies to all thusly cap-badged soldiers. For example, a Lance-Corporal of that regiment addressing the Lord High Commander To The Crown (the senior-most officer in Kouralia) would, at his most absolutely formal, refer to him as 'Comrade Commander', since the incumbent's rank is 'Lord Commander' and by statute soldiers of that regiment are not required to acknowledge titles of nobility.
  • The most wacky of these surely goes to the Land-Cruiser Corps and the Land-Sloop Service, two of the five regiments that make up the Kouralian Armoured Corps (subordinated to the Corps of Cavalry, and consisting of those units who ran tanks before all heavy and light cavalry fully mechanised). Originally these units were formed by seconded naval personnel as they operated the 'Land Ships', or the first Kouralian tanks ('tank' in High Kouralian (functionally Latin for Kouralia) is still 'Ship of the Land'), and even when this changed back to the army the ranks did not. Thus the whole rank structure for someone cap-badged to those two regiments is identical to the Royal Navy (with some enlisted ranks removed, to ensure all ranks correspond to an Army rank - the Navy has 7 non-WO enlisted ranks to the Army's 5). The current 'Commandant-General Cavalry' is actually of the rank Admiral, being of the Land-Sloop Service.
• The Marxist Fusiliers of Horse return again, for many reasons. Mostly due to their name, which I'm sure you'll agree is odd for a monarchy. Formed in the '20s as part of an attempt to oppose communism, the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse were intended to be a way that Communists could join the Kouralian military (specifically the ideologically and culturally adored/supported/idolised Infantry) without being forced to compromise their beliefs significantly by saluting, calling people sir, swearing allegiance to the crown etc. Being a monarchy, of course anyone who applied to join it was immediately put on a watch list. The regiment and its traditions have however remained. Among them are the fact that they don't need to salute or address officers as sir, they are not required to recognise titles of nobility, they do not swear allegiance to the Crown - instead to the Honour of the Kouralian People, they (originally) did not have crowns on their rank insignia/uniforms - though now they do have crowns though still retain the hammer and sickle cap badge, and they cannot be ordered to mount the guard at a royal residence (though they can actually guard it as soldiers in war/an emergency/conflict).
• Soldiers of the Royal Army Medical Corps do not fix bayonets on parade and officers do not draw their swords. This is because their weapons are - in their purest sense - for self defence only. Thus they can't be unsheathed without first being subject to 'offence or assault'. Soldiers of Rifle or other light infantry regiments (e.g. Royal Insert Name Here Rifles or the Experimental Rifle Corps) also do not fix bayonets or draw swords, but for a different reason. This is because they - as the scouts, raiders, marksmen, infiltrators and picquets of the Army, would not march with bands playing and colours flying while on the approach to battle. They would also, if all went well, not be expected to close with the enemy, and with their rifled weapons they were not able to accept the slight decrease in RoF caused by maneuvering the hand around an affixed bayonet.

[Fordorsia]

Anyone have any very old, strange, or neato unit traditions or anything?

Fordorsian Sappers have always been under strict orders to keep their tools is perfect condition. Though it's an outdated and uncommon practice, commanding officers are authorised to inflict any punishment they see fit if a tool is found to not be perfectly clean and sharpened, within the bounds of common law of course. (no torture, assault, etc)

Oh and Sappers are permitted by law to eat with their knives at any occasion, military or civilian.

Oh god. You realise that if traditions had mass, the Kouralian Army would be like a black hole?

Here are some examples:

• Many units have their own terms for people, for example a Company in a Cavalry unit is a Squadron, and a Private in the Royal Guard is a Guardsman. There are a few units which take this a little bit far:
  
  • The Royal Army Medical Corps' juniormost members were originally stretcher bearers, who in the early 19th century where the drummers and pipers etc. of the regimental band. In battle, as the casualties mounted, these bandsmen would then stop playing and take the wounded back to the surgeons - this role gradually transitioned and changed with the formation of the separate Army Medical Corps and Bands' Corps, however the name stuck. Thus the rank of Pte in the RAMC is now 'Bandsman', given as Bdsm.
  • In the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse, all Ptes are referred to as 'Comrades', shortened to 'Cds'. This also extends to all ranks, with the full formal title being 'Comrade *rank*' and the less formal term being 'Comrade'. This replaces instances of 'sir', and applies to all thusly cap-badged soldiers. For example, a Lance-Corporal of that regiment addressing the Lord High Commander To The Crown (the senior-most officer in Kouralia) would, at his most absolutely formal, refer to him as 'Comrade Commander', since the incumbent's rank is 'Lord Commander' and by statute soldiers of that regiment are not required to acknowledge titles of nobility.
  • The most wacky of these surely goes to the Land-Cruiser Corps and the Land-Sloop Service, two of the five regiments that make up the Kouralian Armoured Corps (subordinated to the Corps of Cavalry, and consisting of those units who ran tanks before all heavy and light cavalry fully mechanised). Originally these units were formed by seconded naval personnel as they operated the 'Land Ships', or the first Kouralian tanks ('tank' in High Kouralian (functionally Latin for Kouralia) is still 'Ship of the Land'), and even when this changed back to the army the ranks did not. Thus the whole rank structure for someone cap-badged to those two regiments is identical to the Royal Navy (with some enlisted ranks removed, to ensure all ranks correspond to an Army rank - the Navy has 7 non-WO enlisted ranks to the Army's 5). The current 'Commandant-General Cavalry' is actually of the rank Admiral, being of the Land-Sloop Service.
• The Marxist Fusiliers of Horse return again, for many reasons. Mostly due to their name, which I'm sure you'll agree is odd for a monarchy. Formed in the '20s as part of an attempt to oppose communism, the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse were intended to be a way that Communists could join the Kouralian military (specifically the ideologically and culturally adored/supported/idolised Infantry) without being forced to compromise their beliefs significantly by saluting, calling people sir, swearing allegiance to the crown etc. Being a monarchy, of course anyone who applied to join it was immediately put on a watch list. The regiment and its traditions have however remained. Among them are the fact that they don't need to salute or address officers as sir, they are not required to recognise titles of nobility, they do not swear allegiance to the Crown - instead to the Honour of the Kouralian People, they (originally) did not have crowns on their rank insignia/uniforms - though now they do have crowns though still retain the hammer and sickle cap badge, and they cannot be ordered to mount the guard at a royal residence (though they can actually guard it as soldiers in war/an emergency/conflict).
• Soldiers of the Royal Army Medical Corps do not fix bayonets on parade and officers do not draw their swords. This is because their weapons are - in their purest sense - for self defence only. Thus they can't be unsheathed without first being subject to 'offence or assault'. Soldiers of Rifle or other light infantry regiments (e.g. Royal Insert Name Here Rifles or the Experimental Rifle Corps) also do not fix bayonets or draw swords, but for a different reason. This is because they - as the scouts, raiders, marksmen, infiltrators and picquets of the Army, would not march with bands playing and colours flying while on the approach to battle. They would also, if all went well, not be expected to close with the enemy, and with their rifled weapons they were not able to accept the slight decrease in RoF caused by maneuvering the hand around an affixed bayonet.

Why do you put so much thought into things. Stop putting so much thought into things.

Rearding the Medics not unsheathing their blades for anything other than self defense, is that literal? Having a blade in a sheath for a long time without cleaning it can be very bad, and would mean the death of the blade if moisture gets in without you knowing.

[Korva]

[*]In the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse, all Ptes are referred to as 'Comrades', shortened to 'Cds'. This also extends to all ranks, with the full formal title being 'Comrade *rank*' and the less formal term being 'Comrade'. This replaces instances of 'sir', and applies to all thusly cap-badged soldiers. For example, a Lance-Corporal of that regiment addressing the Lord High Commander To The Crown (the senior-most officer in Kouralia) would, at his most absolutely formal, refer to him as 'Comrade Commander', since the incumbent's rank is 'Lord Commander' and by statute soldiers of that regiment are not required to acknowledge titles of nobility.

The Korvan army also had a Marxist unit but it was a prisoner work battalion and they were all shot.

[The balkens]

[*]In the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse, all Ptes are referred to as 'Comrades', shortened to 'Cds'. This also extends to all ranks, with the full formal title being 'Comrade *rank*' and the less formal term being 'Comrade'. This replaces instances of 'sir', and applies to all thusly cap-badged soldiers. For example, a Lance-Corporal of that regiment addressing the Lord High Commander To The Crown (the senior-most officer in Kouralia) would, at his most absolutely formal, refer to him as 'Comrade Commander', since the incumbent's rank is 'Lord Commander' and by statute soldiers of that regiment are not required to acknowledge titles of nobility.

The Korvan army also had a Marxist unit but it was a prisoner work battalion and they were all shot.

Well....

During the 20's, we had a Nazi group like that. until they were all set to test out the new Mine fields in eastern Belarus.

There were no survivors.

[Ulfr-Reich]

[*]In the Marxist Fusiliers of Horse, all Ptes are referred to as 'Comrades', shortened to 'Cds'. This also extends to all ranks, with the full formal title being 'Comrade *rank*' and the less formal term being 'Comrade'. This replaces instances of 'sir', and applies to all thusly cap-badged soldiers. For example, a Lance-Corporal of that regiment addressing the Lord High Commander To The Crown (the senior-most officer in Kouralia) would, at his most absolutely formal, refer to him as 'Comrade Commander', since the incumbent's rank is 'Lord Commander' and by statute soldiers of that regiment are not required to acknowledge titles of nobility.

The Korvan army also had a Marxist unit but it was a prisoner work battalion and they were all shot.

You see, this is what happens when you don't execute your filthy, disgusting Marxian-Communards. In fact, the Ulfran government developed a shotgun cartridge in 1878 specifically for dealing with communist idolaters and rebellious rapscallions of such ill-repute.

The "Communard Dispatcher Cartridge", a 10 bore wax slug, using industrial iron shavings, glass shards and industrial brass trimmings; all mixed in some rather high-density paraffin wax. Very effective, those dastardly Marxists tend to be quite irritating and interfere with the greater good and operational capabilities of the state.

[New Tsavon]

The Korvan army also had a Marxist unit but it was a prisoner work battalion and they were all shot.

You see, this is what happens when you don't execute your filthy, disgusting Marxian-Communards.

I'm pretty sure he explicitly mentioned shooting the Marxists.

[Ulfr-Reich]

You see, this is what happens when you don't execute your filthy, disgusting Marxian-Communards.

I'm pretty sure he explicitly mentioned shooting the Marxists.

He didn't shoot them enough.