The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[Transnapastain]

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

Depends on the geography of the country, the military of the attacker and of the defender and many more things, but guerrilla warfare has definitely proved itself as an effective tactic under the right circumstances over many hundreds of years.

I wouldn't call this wrong, but I would say that if you're fighting a guerilla style campaign, you've already lost. Its absolutely piss for defending your nation, its fine for destabilizing invaders on the path to liberating it.

[Fordorsia]

Depends on the geography of the country, the military of the attacker and of the defender and many more things, but guerrilla warfare has definitely proved itself as an effective tactic under the right circumstances over many hundreds of years.

I wouldn't call this wrong, but I would say that if you're fighting a guerilla style campaign, you've already lost. Its absolutely piss for defending your nation, its fine for destabilizing invaders on the path to liberating it.

What about a half and half of guerrilla and conventional military action? Isn't that essentially what NK did in Vietnam when US and friends went on the offensive?

[Aqizithiuda]

You can't convert either weapon to those cartridges. The extraction system is all wrong.

Figured as much. What about the proposed caseless round for LSAT?
Because I don't want to do the "lulz replace all the service rifles at the same time"

That has even worse problems.

[Puzikas]

I wouldn't call this wrong, but I would say that if you're fighting a guerilla style campaign, you've already lost. Its absolutely piss for defending your nation, its fine for destabilizing invaders on the path to liberating it.

What about a half and half of guerrilla and conventional military action? Isn't that essentially what NK did in Vietnam when US and friends went on the offensive?

Guerrilla warfare is excellent for destabilizing the occupants of your nation, in territories that have been captured. However, if your army has fallen into a state in which it is wildly practicing said tactics as SOPs, the war has largely been a failure on your part.

Remember, Guerrilla warfare can, and does, damage the infrastructure of a nation. Oftentimes you have to adopt a scorched earth policy in a sense, where you may deprive the enemy of resources your nation needs. However, the idea is to pick these targets strategically enough so as to cause more loss of resource to the enemy than to your nation when you (hopefully) retake captured zones.

Guerrilla armies are excellent at winning political victories as well: They're able to strike well into enemy territories suddenly and can cause great loss of life on the opposing side with a single blow. They could bomb a fuel depot and crush fuel supplies for an enemy unit long enough to turn the tide of a battle, they could smash a rail line and prevent supply trains from delivering important aid or materiel to the front. They can kill a high ranking military officer and cause widespread disarray and moral loss. They could bomb troop barracks and put enemy public opinion on the war in the opposite direction, make the media call it a "pointless war". Any number of things can be done to help WIN a war through a Guerrilla campaign, but defend a nation outright from full scale invasion?

Not likely.

[San-Silvacian]

I wouldn't call this wrong, but I would say that if you're fighting a guerilla style campaign, you've already lost. Its absolutely piss for defending your nation, its fine for destabilizing invaders on the path to liberating it.

What about a half and half of guerrilla and conventional military action? Isn't that essentially what NK did in Vietnam when US and friends went on the offensive?

The VC were horrible and weren't much of a fighting force after the Tet Offensive.

The NVA couldn't even muster an army that could match the US in terms of anything.

[New Celisia]

What about a half and half of guerrilla and conventional military action? Isn't that essentially what NK did in Vietnam when US and friends went on the offensive?

The VC were horrible and weren't much of a fighting force after the Tet Offensive.

The NVA couldn't even muster an army that could match the US in terms of anything.

Seems like they did pretty well to me.

[Transnapastain]

The VC were horrible and weren't much of a fighting force after the Tet Offensive.

The NVA couldn't even muster an army that could match the US in terms of anything.

Seems like they did pretty well to me.

Their "victory" is in no way tied to the military prowess of either formation.

[San-Silvacian]

The VC were horrible and weren't much of a fighting force after the Tet Offensive.

The NVA couldn't even muster an army that could match the US in terms of anything.

Seems like they did pretty well to me.

Yeah they just got fucked up totally in the process.

It was purely a political victory.

[Black Hand]

Seems like they did pretty well to me.

Their "victory" is in no way tied to the military prowess of either formation.

It was political victory in it's entirety.
The US could have quite easily crushed the NVA and VC without the political restrictions forced upon them


potential light rifle cartridge.
9X30
Neck Diameter: 9.8mm
Shoulder Diameter: 12.6mm
Base Diameter: 14.5mm
Rim Diameter: 14.5mm
Case Length: 30mm
Overall Length: 39mm
Barrel: 256
max pressure: 45Kpsi
Rifle weight 2.2 Kg

Thoughts?

[Aqizithiuda]

Their "victory" is in no way tied to the military prowess of either formation.

It was political victory in it's entirety.
The US could have quite easily crushed the NVA and VC without the political restrictions forced upon them


potential light rifle cartridge.
9X30
Neck Diameter: 9.8mm
Shoulder Diameter: 12.6mm
Base Diameter: 14.5mm
Rim Diameter: 14.5mm
Case Length: 30mm
Overall Length: 39mm
Barrel: 256
max pressure: 45Kpsi
Rifle weight 2.2 Kg

Thoughts?

It seems....lacking. Why such a short OAL if the cartridge diameter is so wide? Why is it so short and fat? The taper is also a bit much.

[Korva]

If all the NVA had to do was limp along until enough American blood and treasure was spilled, then they met their military objectives.

It is a bit disingenuous to try and separate war and politics so completely.

[Black Hand]

It was political victory in it's entirety.
The US could have quite easily crushed the NVA and VC without the political restrictions forced upon them


potential light rifle cartridge.
9X30
Neck Diameter: 9.8mm
Shoulder Diameter: 12.6mm
Base Diameter: 14.5mm
Rim Diameter: 14.5mm
Case Length: 30mm
Overall Length: 39mm
Barrel: 256
max pressure: 45Kpsi
Rifle weight 2.2 Kg

Thoughts?

It seems....lacking. Why such a short OAL if the cartridge diameter is so wide? Why is it so short and fat? The taper is also a bit much.

it's meant to be slightly more powerful SMG than a rifle really. Any tweaking you can suggest.

[Puzikas]

If all the NVA had to do was limp along until enough American blood and treasure was spilled, then they met their military objectives.

It is a bit disingenuous to try and separate war and politics so completely.

But isnt war just the final evolution of politics?

[Spreewerke]

At least not in the context the rapier was designed for.

I'm pretty sure a katana could defeat a raper.

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

Not as effective as Gorilla warfare.

http://orangutan.or.id/ponys-new-life-2/

[Aqizithiuda]

It seems....lacking. Why such a short OAL if the cartridge diameter is so wide? Why is it so short and fat? The taper is also a bit much.

it's meant to be slightly more powerful SMG than a rifle really. Any tweaking you can suggest.

Here are some examples of what you should be aiming at:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9×25mm_Dillon
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.351_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.401_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_Super

[The balkens]

If all the NVA had to do was limp along until enough American blood and treasure was spilled, then they met their military objectives.

It is a bit disingenuous to try and separate war and politics so completely.

But isnt war just the final evolution of politics?

Puz: Juggernaut, Sonny Puzikas internet persona, and Philosopher.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Hey guys, what've I missed? Any crazy bullshit go down?


No, seriously, did I miss anything?

[Black Hand]

it's meant to be slightly more powerful SMG than a rifle really. Any tweaking you can suggest.

Here are some examples of what you should be aiming at:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9×25mm_Dillon
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.351_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.401_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_Super

Neck diameter: 9.5 mm
Shoulder diameter: 11.7 mm
Base diameter: 12 mm
Rim diameter: 12 mm
Rim thickness: 1.40 mm
Case length: 30 mm
Overall length: 37 mm
How about that?


Also some rebuilding here on a related project.

[Aqizithiuda]

Here are some examples of what you should be aiming at:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9×25mm_Dillon
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.351_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.401_Win ... lf-Loading
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_Super

Neck diameter: 9.5 mm
Shoulder diameter: 11.7 mm
Base diameter: 12 mm
Rim diameter: 12 mm
Rim thickness: 1.40 mm
Case length: 30 mm
Overall length: 37 mm
How about that?


Also some rebuilding here on a related project.

Maybe make the OAL 40mm.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Warned for trolling Next infraction is no less than a one day ban. Learn the rules or find some other way to occupy your time.

In fairness, he's really no worse than San.

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@arch super light ammo
great deity, how much ammo do you fucking need?

As much as you can carry? 10kg should do.

figure 5 kilos (including polymer mags) should give you about 1500 rounds that is fucking bonkers.

Just a bit. Assuming 5kg of ammunition, 1500 rounds leaves you with an fairly small weight allowance for mags.

As a rough guess, a lightweight, one hundred round polymer magazine will weigh about 130g. One hundred rounds of 3mm Arch will weigh 320g. That gives an overall weight of 450g. For five kilos you could do eleven mags, or 1100 rounds of ammunition.

I think Arch might have finally made me buy into the micro caliber idea.

*maniacal laughter*

Cool bullpup, by the way. Looks a tad like a western TKB-022PM

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Hey Aqiz, would you be willing to speculate on the weight of a 3,6x8mm primer/booster charge?

[Tule]

That's the paradox really. If the people of Purpelia wanted to overthrow the government they probably could. It's just that the government is good enough most of the time that they do not care to. As in the government is actually benevolent. That and it panders to their traditionalism, xenophobia and nationalist tendencies more than Fox News.

I am actually going to go into detail of how it all works one of these days. But basically, the only titles that are hereditary are the 7 dukes. Every other title from the local mayor to the highest positions are meritocratic within the nobility. And if the person holding said position is disliked by the people or does not preform he or she will be replaced by someone else. And since in Purpelia nobility is defined as anyone who can reasonably claim that at any point in the past one of his ancestors had sex with a
noble and possibly gave birth to his line there is no shortage of candidates. I mean, the number of lesser nobles is likely something like 10% or more of the population.

Oh my, a government with no perceived faults, yet filled with debauchery without scandals? What a perfect world, oh my, oh my.

It's not that unfeasible, just look at the Arab petrostates.

[Fordorsia]

Warned for trolling Next infraction is no less than a one day ban. Learn the rules or find some other way to occupy your time.

In fairness, he's really no worse than San

I concur

[Sevvania]

Now with breacher's variant and a spike bayonet that I can't figure out a lug for.

[Black Hand]

@arch super light ammo
great deity, how much ammo do you fucking need?

As much as you can carry? 10kg should do.

figure 5 kilos (including polymer mags) should give you about 1500 rounds that is fucking bonkers.

Just a bit. Assuming 5kg of ammunition, 1500 rounds leaves you with an fairly small weight allowance for mags.

As a rough guess, a lightweight, one hundred round polymer magazine will weigh about 130g. One hundred rounds of 3mm Arch will weigh 320g. That gives an overall weight of 450g. For five kilos you could do eleven mags, or 1100 rounds of ammunition.

I think Arch might have finally made me buy into the micro caliber idea.

*maniacal laughter*

Cool bullpup, by the way. Looks a tad like a western TKB-022PM

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I just threw a number at it.
but still that's insane.

Now what about a beltfed Micro caliber LMG ?

I need to work out a way to give it a foregrip of some sort somewhere to rest the left hand. And a sight.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

(Image)
Now with breacher's variant and a spike bayonet that I can't figure out a lug for.

Slick

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I just threw a number at it.
but still that's insane.

Indeed. Unfortunately, at 1800 rounds a minute it goes quite fast.

Now what about a beltfed Micro caliber LMG?

I've still got plans for three hundred round box magazines.

I need to work out a way to give it a foregrip of some sort somewhere to rest the left hand. And a sight.

For a foregrip. . . I'd rip the L22, honestly. It looks decent enough, and works decently. Sights could be omitted, as you've a Picitinny rail. Speaking of which, you will need to remove some of it from the rear. Probably to the end of the ejection port, so as to avoid pressing face parts into rails.