The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[San-Silvacian]

All that I know about the Katana comes from a Managa and a show that is probably bullshit.

According to them, the Katana is able to..penetrate European armor of the time. I forget.

Fun fact. No bladed weapon made of steel is ever going to be able to cut through armor made of steel. It's just not possible. The kind of cuts we see in movies where the guy just cleaves an armored knight across the chest and the guy falls dead are idiotic at best.

"wow don't own a gun or we will kill you b/c commies r bestest but yes own massive fucking knives and stab people with them"

Actually the reason for the ban is the notion that there is no need for civilians to own firearms. If you live next to a forest you can get one. And if you want to go hunting or shoot for sports you can go to a government owned club and rent one out. Keeps the playing field fair too. Especially in sports hunting. But ultimately when it comes to that you can't win a revolution by bringing a sword to a gun fight. So the government has wisely chosen to control the supply of guns. Remember, Purpelia does not subscribe to western style faking. If the government wants to do something they do it. They do not make up stupid pretend reasons to get the public on their side.
Also, anyone living within a certain distance from the border has the same gun ownership rights as people living right on the edge of the darkest most dangerous forests. After all, those foreigners are just as scary as the lions, tigers and bears.

I wish I could live in super utopia Purpistan it would be 11/10

[Purpelia]

I wish I could live in super utopia Purpistan it would be 11/10

That's you alone than. At least I hope so for the sake of human kind.

I my self would probably not like to live there. It's a 1st world level nation with the sexual morality of Japanese porn (I am actually basing the sexual morality of the nation off actual Japanese porn) an unnatural degree of xenophobia and possibly racism and a streak of traditionalism that makes Japan look absolutely socially progressive. The government is a meritocratic system but you still have to be related to nobility to be eligible for positions. And the language is an unholy mixture of German and French using grammar that has more special cases that avoid the rules than there are people in China. Really the only reason it keeps working is because the economy is strong enough to support a large welfare state (something quite common across all of the civilized world IRL) and the people are too traditionalist and stuck up about being "unique" and "Purpelian (adjective)" to tolerate a change. It's basically a 1st world variant of North Korea but with porn and vikings thrown in.

[San-Silvacian]

I wish I could live in super utopia Purpistan it would be 11/10

That's you alone than. At least I hope so for the sake of human kind.

I my self would probably not like to live there. It's a 1st world level nation with the sexual morality of Japanese porn (I am actually basing the sexual morality of the nation off actual Japanese porn) an unnatural degree of xenophobia and possibly racism and a streak of traditionalism that makes Japan look absolutely socially progressive. The government is a meritocratic system but you still have to be related to nobility to be eligible for positions. And the language is an unholy mixture of German and French using grammar that has more special cases that avoid the rules than there are people in China. Really the only reason it keeps working is because the economy is strong enough to support a large welfare state (something quite common across all of the civilized world IRL) and the people are too traditionalist and stuck up about being "unique" and "Purpelian (adjective)" to tolerate a change.

Its 2nd world then.

Its very far from 1st world.

[Purpelia]

Its 2nd world then.

Its very far from 1st world.

In the original definition of the term yes. Well actually Purpelia would be among the nonaligned if it existed IRL.
But in terms of living standards and the modern definition it would belong in the same grade as 1st world nations because it can support its people living well. And because through pure chance, or rather not being tainted by christianity a lot of their traditional morality happens to coincide with 1st world standards (Stuff like gender equality, age equality, sexual equality etc. just exist naturally in Purpelia and have since before written language. Animal rights though not so much.) So you get a rather wealthy and functional nation whose morality is 70-80% compatible to the civilized world but with some messed up outlying points.

[Bezombia]

Most people don't know as much about swords as I do.

In that case here is a tough one for you. And for everyone while we are at it.
In Purpelia private firearms ownership is as you know illegal in most cases. However mele weapons of any kind are allowed and relatively loosely regulated. So anyone can carry a sword, axe or hell a halberd out in the street for the purpose of self defense and legally use it.

So in that context how do you imagine the development of mele weapons would proceed? What kind of things would the average Purpelian citizen hope to find in his local self defense store?

swords that have guns in them

[Purpelia]

In that case here is a tough one for you. And for everyone while we are at it.
In Purpelia private firearms ownership is as you know illegal in most cases. However mele weapons of any kind are allowed and relatively loosely regulated. So anyone can carry a sword, axe or hell a halberd out in the street for the purpose of self defense and legally use it.

So in that context how do you imagine the development of mele weapons would proceed? What kind of things would the average Purpelian citizen hope to find in his local self defense store?

swords that have guns in them

Honestly I was thinking that the popular stuff would just end up being knives and daggers and stuff. You know, stuff you can actually walk around with, sit down in a cafe and drive your car and stuff without having to take them off and stuff.

[Aqizithiuda]

Does anyone here (mainly aqui) have any significant information on the LSAT CTA ammunition. I want to do a little research into how hard it would be to convert the M16 (or K2) over to the same cartridge. mainly for shits and giggles but figure adopting the LSAT removes ammunition commonality with the M16/M4 (and unlike the M240 or MK48 doesn't provide the added benefits of a 7.62X51 cartridge.)

additionally would it at all make sense to convert existing weapons to CTA (same projectile ) or would I be better off simply replacing them?

@arch super light ammo
great deity, how much ammo do you fucking need? figure 5 kilos (including polymer mags) should give you about 1500 rounds that is fucking bonkers. I think Arch might have finally made me buy into the micro caliber idea.

You can't convert either weapon to those cartridges. The extraction system is all wrong.

You have more control over a short blade, and the tip should develop less momentum, leading to faster changes in direction.

That depends not just on the length of the lever but the distribution of weight along it. If your sword is very long but the center of balance is close to the hilt you should still get quicker motions out of it than out of a shorter blade that has most of the weight near the tip (like say on a machete).

Reach helps, true, but so does speed.

I am not so sure. At least not in the context the rapier was designed for. Remember, it was not built to penetrate armor or anything like that. It was made to slice up someone in a shirt. So I imagine that it would be exceedingly difficult for such an opponent to close in on a rapier user. After all, the rapier user only has to keep attacking whilst taking steps back whilst the man with a shorter blade has to keep trying to dodge or deflect his attacks and close in at the same time.

It wasn't made for slicing, but for stabbing. Which means that if you can get in close to a rapier wielding opponent, you stand less of a chance of being wounded than by being further out. This is where sword breakers, bucklers, etc come in handy.

[Purpelia]

It wasn't made for slicing, but for stabbing. Which means that if you can get in close to a rapier wielding opponent, you stand less of a chance of being wounded than by being further out. This is where sword breakers, bucklers, etc come in handy.

The rapier can both cut and thrust. And whilst it's blade is in no way optimized for looping off limbs like a more conventional one it will likely make horrific cuts to an unarmored opponent. I mean it is a long sharpened steel rod. Even if it does not have enough weight at any point to act as an axe it's still going to be a giant knife that can do draw and push cuts.

[Fordorsia]

Does anyone here (mainly aqui) have any significant information on the LSAT CTA ammunition. I want to do a little research into how hard it would be to convert the M16 (or K2) over to the same cartridge. mainly for shits and giggles but figure adopting the LSAT removes ammunition commonality with the M16/M4 (and unlike the M240 or MK48 doesn't provide the added benefits of a 7.62X51 cartridge.)

additionally would it at all make sense to convert existing weapons to CTA (same projectile ) or would I be better off simply replacing them?

@arch super light ammo
great deity, how much ammo do you fucking need? figure 5 kilos (including polymer mags) should give you about 1500 rounds that is fucking bonkers. I think Arch might have finally made me buy into the micro caliber idea.

You can't convert either weapon to those cartridges. The extraction system is all wrong.

That depends not just on the length of the lever but the distribution of weight along it. If your sword is very long but the center of balance is close to the hilt you should still get quicker motions out of it than out of a shorter blade that has most of the weight near the tip (like say on a machete).


I am not so sure. At least not in the context the rapier was designed for. Remember, it was not built to penetrate armor or anything like that. It was made to slice up someone in a shirt. So I imagine that it would be exceedingly difficult for such an opponent to close in on a rapier user. After all, the rapier user only has to keep attacking whilst taking steps back whilst the man with a shorter blade has to keep trying to dodge or deflect his attacks and close in at the same time.

It wasn't made for slicing, but for stabbing. Which means that if you can get in close to a rapier wielding opponent, you stand less of a chance of being wounded than by being further out. This is where sword breakers, bucklers, etc come in handy.

Of course this depends on what sword goes up against a rapier. It would most likely be a similar thrusting sword, so neither individual would be trying to get up close if they could help it. And I think cuts from edged thrusting swords would have been more common than stabs. The amount of twirling that can happen in the first second of a duel is quite the sight, especially since they can close in an instant and counter attack from a parry. In that moment, a cut to the neck or arm would win the fight.

[San-Silvacian]

Its 2nd world then.

Its very far from 1st world.

In the original definition of the term yes. Well actually Purpelia would be among the nonaligned if it existed IRL.
But in terms of living standards and the modern definition it would belong in the same grade as 1st world nations because it can support its people living well. And because through pure chance, or rather not being tainted by christianity a lot of their traditional morality happens to coincide with 1st world standards (Stuff like gender equality, age equality, sexual equality etc. just exist naturally in Purpelia and have since before written language. Animal rights though not so much.) So you get a rather wealthy and functional nation whose morality is 70-80% compatible to the civilized world but with some messed up outlying points.

No Purp you would have been more isolated than North Korea.

Like, no one would want to talk to you.

[Purpelia]

No Purp you would have been more isolated than North Korea.

Like, no one would want to talk to you.

I am not so sure about that. Purpelia does not really have any of the hallmarks of a nation no one wants to talk to. It does not threaten others with atomic weapons, start wars of aggression and stuff. It also has no actual apparatus of repression of any kind, no secret police or anything. No institutionalized racism or pogroms. The people are generally well treated. Freedom of speech and the press exists. I mean sure, in the real world the bit about the absolute monarchy alone would disqualify me from the UN. But on NS I'd say Purpelia would still be about average or better than the average nation.

Than again NS includes about 15 million different Nazi Germanies and a nation of Decepticons that won and enslaved humanity. So my standards are strange.

[San-Silvacian]

So it would be overthrown really easily.

Okay.

[Purpelia]

So it would be overthrown really easily.

Okay.

That's the paradox really. If the people of Purpelia wanted to overthrow the government they probably could. It's just that the government is good enough most of the time that they do not care to. As in the government is actually benevolent. That and it panders to their traditionalism, xenophobia and nationalist tendencies more than Fox News.

I am actually going to go into detail of how it all works one of these days. But basically, the only titles that are hereditary are the 7 dukes. Every other title from the local mayor to the highest positions are meritocratic within the nobility. And if the person holding said position is disliked by the people or does not preform he or she will be replaced by someone else. And since in Purpelia nobility is defined as anyone who can reasonably claim that at any point in the past one of his ancestors had sex with a noble and possibly gave birth to his line there is no shortage of candidates. I mean, the number of lesser nobles is likely something like 10% or more of the population.

[Eisarn-Ara]

So it would be overthrown really easily.

Okay.

That's the paradox really. If the people of Purpelia wanted to overthrow the government they probably could. It's just that the government is good enough most of the time that they do not care to. As in the government is actually benevolent. That and it panders to their traditionalism, xenophobia and nationalist tendencies more than Fox News.

I am actually going to go into detail of how it all works one of these days. But basically, the only titles that are hereditary are the 7 dukes. Every other title from the local mayor to the highest positions are meritocratic within the nobility. And if the person holding said position is disliked by the people or does not preform he or she will be replaced by someone else. And since in Purpelia nobility is defined as anyone who can reasonably claim that at any point in the past one of his ancestors had sex with a noble and possibly gave birth to his line there is no shortage of candidates. I mean, the number of lesser nobles is likely something like 10% or more of the population.

Oh my, a government with no perceived faults, yet filled with debauchery without scandals? What a perfect world, oh my, oh my.

[San-Silvacian]

11/10 would fill with KGB and CIA agents.

Have fun.

[Purpelia]

11/10 would fill with KGB and CIA agents.

Have fun.

In a different world sure. But on NS those guys would be too tied up dealing with all those Nazi Germanies and Soviet Unions.

Plus, there is a reason why I don't RP with people. Putting Purpelia in a region would quickly get awkward. But hey, it's not really supposed to work once you scratch the surface. If it did, I'd not be giving it so many funky traits that are insane on a deeply disturbing level.

Oh my, a government with no perceived faults, yet filled with debauchery without scandals? What a perfect world, oh my, oh my.

Well that's mostly because the "government" is divorced from the actual doings at the palace. Or do you actually think that the Arch Duke does not just delegate all his work to a bunch of experts and leaves it at that? I mean in theory he is in charge. But no single man could ever do the job. And certainly not one who actually does make as many scandals as the Arch Duke does. Although through a twist of irony Purpelian morality actually dictates he has to keep making those scandals or else he would be seen as unmanly, weak and generally impotent. One of my previous arch dukes (will write about him some day) actually had problems with public relations because he did not have enough drunken orgies and stuff. The people felt he was too timid and unpurpelian.

[Aqizithiuda]

It wasn't made for slicing, but for stabbing. Which means that if you can get in close to a rapier wielding opponent, you stand less of a chance of being wounded than by being further out. This is where sword breakers, bucklers, etc come in handy.

The rapier can both cut and thrust. And whilst it's blade is in no way optimized for looping off limbs like a more conventional one it will likely make horrific cuts to an unarmored opponent. I mean it is a long sharpened steel rod. Even if it does not have enough weight at any point to act as an axe it's still going to be a giant knife that can do draw and push cuts.

"The best answer I can give is that the true rapier is a long, narrow, rigid, nearly edgeless single-hand thrusting blade with a thick, tapering cross-section and very narrow and sharp point."

"In the “evolution” of Renaissance weapons there were forms of blades developed that were not quite wide enough to cut strongly as other kinds but were also still not narrow and light enough to foyne as well as later “true” rapiers."

"There are many period writers who complained the rapier did not cut well (relative to dedicated cutting blades) and were unsuited to the needs of the battlefield for this reason. They were not designed for nor capable of lethal cutting blows and no period fencing text actually instructs to use them that way. Nor are there historical accounts of any deadly cutting blows with true rapiers being made in fights."

"A sword blade would have as much edge as physically possible as a matter of course, if only to prevent it being easily seized by an opponent's hand. But, with such thick shapes and broad bevels, rapier edges simply could not retain much sharpness (especially after repeated forceful contact against other blades)."

From here.

[Rosswood]

Where can I find the Infantry Design sheet? It had different parts that could be combined into a soldier. Not quite Innawoods, but a bit better.

[Sevvania]

Oh my, a government with no perceived faults, yet filled with debauchery without scandals? What a perfect world, oh my, oh my.

I don't think it really matters to an infantry thread.

[Black Hand]

Does anyone here (mainly aqui) have any significant information on the LSAT CTA ammunition. I want to do a little research into how hard it would be to convert the M16 (or K2) over to the same cartridge. mainly for shits and giggles but figure adopting the LSAT removes ammunition commonality with the M16/M4 (and unlike the M240 or MK48 doesn't provide the added benefits of a 7.62X51 cartridge.)

additionally would it at all make sense to convert existing weapons to CTA (same projectile ) or would I be better off simply replacing them?

@arch super light ammo
great deity, how much ammo do you fucking need? figure 5 kilos (including polymer mags) should give you about 1500 rounds that is fucking bonkers. I think Arch might have finally made me buy into the micro caliber idea.

You can't convert either weapon to those cartridges. The extraction system is all wrong.

Figured as much. What about the proposed caseless round for LSAT?
Because I don't want to do the "lulz replace all the service rifles at the same time"

[Rosswood]

Where can I find the Infantry Design sheet? It had different parts that could be combined into a soldier. Not quite Innawoods, but a bit better.

Does anyone know?

[Lompa]

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

[Puzikas]

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

Not as effective as Gorilla warfare.

[Transnapastain]

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

Not as effective as Gorilla warfare.

Cower in fear, the liberators are here.

[Fordorsia]

How effective is guerilla warfare when defending one's home country?

Depends on the geography of the country, the military of the attacker and of the defender and many more things, but guerrilla warfare has definitely proved itself as an effective tactic under the right circumstances over many hundreds of years.