NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Spirit of Hope]

AKA if you already have a satellite looking at a location, and a submarine happens to be at that location, you might be able to see them if they are close enough to the surface and/or moving fast enough. So extremely limited by the number of satellites, time over an area, the size of the area they can scan, etc.

Yes, and it would take some while to set up, and probably cost a load of money, however the question was if you could see it, not if it would be reasonable, even though it looks like it may be reasonable to do so.

Reasonable to scan the ocean for submarines? Yes, however it is of very limited utility. My question was posed to the statement:

*Uses futuristic satellite technology to scan the seas*
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

Indicating that they had the capability to scan and find all (or at least most) submarines, which the technology isn't able to do.

[The Akasha Colony]

IIRC, the Pershing II MRBM had a flight-time of half an hour.

A Pershing II could reach Moscow from West Germany in 10-14 minutes. This is why they were considered so destabilizing; they gave only minutes to decide whether to retaliate or not. ICBMs were expected to provide only around 20 minutes of warning, since although they flew farther, they also flew faster.

Depends on the cruise missile, or ICBM.

A very-dimwitted econo-line ICBM is going to get lofted like a mortar at any range that isn't maximum with less than ideal velocities, raising its flight-time to that one to two hour mark seen on early manned sub-orbital flights.
-After the 1960s we seem to have opted to just tell the rocket to ram the earth after 20+ minutes of burn/coast-time.

From an engineering perspective, an ICBM has far more demands placed on it than a cruise missile does. You need a multi-stage rocket motor, penetration aids, hardened reentry vehicles, and very precise INS that can account for the spin of the Earth while in flight.

A cruise missile only needs a cheap, simple turbojet, a basic explosive warhead, and satellite or INS guidance to get it on target. You can get fancy with things like TERCOM, IIR/active radar seekers, and the like, but you can do the same with a ballistic missile with things like FOBS, MARVs, etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

What? An ICBM will take less much less than 2 hours to reach even its maximum range. Nor are they cheaper than cruise missiles.

IIRC, the Pershing II MRBM had a flight-time of half an hour.

Depends on the cruise missile, or ICBM.

I thought a number of Soviet (and likely Western) ICBMs were capable of a fifteen minute flight time against many targets.

[Roski]

IIRC, the Pershing II MRBM had a flight-time of half an hour.

Depends on the cruise missile, or ICBM.

I thought a number of Soviet (and likely Western) ICBMs were capable of a fifteen minute flight time against many targets.

Depends on where you are firing.

The Minuteman III takes half an hour to reach actual logical target locations with Russia.

[Doppio Giudici]

What about here, does anyone here know about the Dolly Parton composite armor or the Super Dolly Parton?

[The Kievan People]

What about here, does anyone here know about the Dolly Parton composite armor or the Super Dolly Parton?

Early non-metallic armor. Nothing special. Probably similar to what the US was experimenting with in the 1950s.

[North Arkana]

"Yes they are here. They seem to agree with the terms I made for Heco.
What terms did you make for qunan?'
"Oh and we made this thing in case a another war starts.
It is attracted to human meat."
(Image)

Excuse me while I curse/laugh at what Heco thinks qualifies for a MT RP...
/

Now that I'm done with that... I have yet to see an organic, multi-celled organism that Napalm-B or other liquid/gel incendiary weapons don't work on.

[Gallan Systems]

It's a bit cute tbh.

[Korva]

It's a bit cute tbh.

There is nothing cute about demonizing humyn eating monsterkin.

[Gallan Systems]

It's a bit cute tbh.

There is nothing cute about demonizing humyn eating monsterkin.

The eyes and the toothy grin are cute, sorry. Objective fact.

[North Arkana]

There is nothing cute about demonizing humyn eating monsterkin.

The eyes and the toothy grin are cute, sorry. Objective fact.

Well, it won't look so cute after a couple Mk 77 MOD 5s.

[Roski]

The eyes and the toothy grin are cute, sorry. Objective fact.

Well, it won't look so cute after a couple Mk 77 MOD 5s.

Why are you people so merciful...

[North Arkana]

Well, it won't look so cute after a couple Mk 77 MOD 5s.

Why are you people so merciful...

I would nuke it, but that goes against current policy. So I have to make due with purification by fire.

[Gallan Systems]

itt a world where sensor capability outstrips everything



A Celestial Task Force is the most basic tactical maneuver unit of the Solar Army. Consisting of 16-20 infantrymen, it has sufficient firepower and sensor capability to perform all basic battlefield tasks. Each soldier carries multiple hyper-intelligent atomic missiles for combat and sufficient numbers of drones to provide sensor coverage out to three or four kilometers. The battle dress of the Celestial Soldier incorporates nanoswarms and "smart" camouflage, masking the infantryman from detection by the most common means of detection, such as visual, infrared, etc., a fully enclosed environment for fighting in vacuum and in poisonous atmospheres, and a maneuvering pack for high mobility across rough terrain.

The theoretical "frontage" of such a force is approximately 30-40 kilometers with overlapping fields of fire for the individual infantrymen and platoons. Sensor drones transmit messages through point-to-point lasers when applicable for maximum throughput, allowing communication between soldiers at the speed of light. Data is presented to the soldier through his battle dress, which provides a connection between his sensor network and himself through implanted cybernetics. The physical interface between the transceiver and the soldier is somewhat crude, but provides a fault tolerant connection compared to wireless methods employing the RF spectrum.

Each Solar Cruiser typically can carry one or two Celestial Task Forces, and one Task Force (3 Solar Cruisers) can transport a Celestial Regiment (4-6 Task Forces). A single Celestial Regiment is considered sufficient for invasion of small moon typical of Jovian space, but a planetary invasion (such as Mars) would require three or four Celestial Regiments, constituting a Celestial Army (the largest permanent force of the Solar Army) of approximately 300-500 soldiers.

As the Solarian soldier is not only expected to operate in vacuum and small celestial bodies, but Earth as well, only Homo s. sapiens are accepted into the Solar Army due to their natural acclimatization to gravities ≥1. Homo s. caelestis and Homo s. martius are, obviously, denied enlistment in the Solar Army.

[United Marxist Nations]

Thinking of a way I could modify that tank that Kiev showed; would a 125mm one piece be able to have a 900 or 1000mm long penetrator, and what speed could I get out of such a round? If not, what size gun would you recommend for such a lengthy penetrator?

[Purpelia]

Thinking of a way I could modify that tank that Kiev showed; would a 125mm one piece be able to have a 900 or 1000mm long penetrator, and what speed could I get out of such a round? If not, what size gun would you recommend for such a lengthy penetrator?

Just look at existing one piece 12cm rounds. That's basically what you'd end up with. The extra 5mm really don't make a difference.

[Ardavia]

Random question:

Using power-armoured units (think SPESS MEHREENS) for heavy weapon and support platforms for standard infantry when vehicles are unavailable, Y/N?

[United Marxist Nations]

Thinking of a way I could modify that tank that Kiev showed; would a 125mm one piece be able to have a 900 or 1000mm long penetrator, and what speed could I get out of such a round? If not, what size gun would you recommend for such a lengthy penetrator?

Just look at existing one piece 12cm rounds. That's basically what you'd end up with. The extra 5mm really don't make a difference.

Yeah, but I don't know of any penetrators of that length for the 120mm.

[Purpelia]

Just look at existing one piece 12cm rounds. That's basically what you'd end up with. The extra 5mm really don't make a difference.

Yeah, but I don't know of any penetrators of that length for the 120mm.

That fact alone should probably tell you all you need to know.

[Gallan Systems]

Random question:

Using power-armoured units (think SPESS MEHREENS) for heavy weapon and support platforms for standard infantry when vehicles are unavailable, Y/N?

N.

Power armour is "properly" used as in the above image: a replacement for large bodies of troops and machines in favour of improved sensor capability and extreme firepower.

I suppose I'll draw a hovercraft to go with it and that will be the equivalent of a 25th century mechanised infantry division.

[The Akasha Colony]

Thinking of a way I could modify that tank that Kiev showed; would a 125mm one piece be able to have a 900 or 1000mm long penetrator, and what speed could I get out of such a round? If not, what size gun would you recommend for such a lengthy penetrator?

Velocity will start dropping rather precipitously given increasing projectile mass in order to remain within safe pressure boundaries for the 125 mm, to the point where increases in flight time will start decreasing accuracy.

[Rich and Corporations]

Thinking of a way I could modify that tank that Kiev showed; would a 125mm one piece be able to have a 900 or 1000mm long penetrator, and what speed could I get out of such a round? If not, what size gun would you recommend for such a lengthy penetrator?

Velocity will start dropping rather precipitously given increasing projectile mass in order to remain within safe pressure boundaries for the 125 mm, to the point where increases in flight time will start decreasing accuracy.

use slower burning propellants and longer barrels


okay, Dimethylmercury as a weapon of mass destruction. y/n? I fly plane full of dimethymercury into enemy parliament.

[New Vihenia]

Yes, and it would take some while to set up, and probably cost a load of money, however the question was if you could see it, not if it would be reasonable, even though it looks like it may be reasonable to do so.

No.

Since 1980's ppl have experimented with detection of submarine observables like Kelvin wave, heat anomaly and surface wave. Nonetheless according to what i know so far..Those disturbances are simply too small to be resolvable from space. Or the sub can simple counter it by diving deeper.

[North Arkana]

Velocity will start dropping rather precipitously given increasing projectile mass in order to remain within safe pressure boundaries for the 125 mm, to the point where increases in flight time will start decreasing accuracy.

use slower burning propellants and longer barrels


okay, Dimethylmercury as a weapon of mass destruction. y/n? I fly plane full of dimethymercury into enemy parliament.

Ridiculously lethal and likely resulting in full blown war with WMDs in response.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Depends on the cruise missile, or ICBM.

A very-dimwitted econo-line ICBM is going to get lofted like a mortar at any range that isn't maximum with less than ideal velocities, raising its flight-time to that one to two hour mark seen on early manned sub-orbital flights.
-After the 1960s we seem to have opted to just tell the rocket to ram the earth after 20+ minutes of burn/coast-time.

From an engineering perspective, an ICBM has far more demands placed on it than a cruise missile does. You need a multi-stage rocket motor, penetration aids, hardened reentry vehicles, and very precise INS that can account for the spin of the Earth while in flight.

A cruise missile only needs a cheap, simple turbojet, a basic explosive warhead, and satellite or INS guidance to get it on target. You can get fancy with things like TERCOM, IIR/active radar seekers, and the like, but you can do the same with a ballistic missile with things like FOBS, MARVs, etc.

I could at the same token of things, make a gigantic rocket-assisted unguided bullet, give it a nuclear payload, and shoot it from a metal tube at another country and get away with calling it an intercontinental ballistic something-something. And then hope that the nuclear payload will counter whatever inaccuracy will present itself.
-We actually fielded these sorts of rockets in the 50's, and shot a few down around Kuwait.

And even so, an INS that only needs to be accurate within a ten mile CEP after a flight-time of ten minutes is loads cheaper than an INS that has to remain functionally-accurate for a duration of hours, while avoiding air-defenses.

SCUDs and ALCMs.
-When you can launch a SCUD in Moscow, and have it land in Cairo by way of Kosovo...