NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Saiyoree]

What is a good military to get started with?

I'm a small island nation that minds its own business, I have a very low production value, as well as population. I also don't have a lot of money for my military.

I just want to defend my island. I don't want to fight on other people's land.

Can anyone help?

[Transnapastain]

What is a good military to get started with?

I'm a small island nation that minds its own business, I have a very low production value, as well as population. I also don't have a lot of money for my military.

I just want to defend my island. I don't want to fight on other people's land.

Can anyone help?

Perhaps look at the Japanese Self-Defense Force for some indications of the kinds of equipment you might want, then scale it back to fit your production ability and population?

[Saiyoree]

What is a good military to get started with?

I'm a small island nation that minds its own business, I have a very low production value, as well as population. I also don't have a lot of money for my military.

I just want to defend my island. I don't want to fight on other people's land.

Can anyone help?

Perhaps look at the Japanese Self-Defense Force for some indications of the kinds of equipment you might want, then scale it back to fit your production ability and population?

Ok. Thank you.

[Saiyoree]

Perhaps look at the Japanese Self-Defense Force for some indications of the kinds of equipment you might want, then scale it back to fit your production ability and population?

Ok. Thank you.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a single thing the wikipedia page is talking about.

[San-Silvacian]

Ok. Thank you.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a single thing the wikipedia page is talking about.

Guns, tanks, planes.

Oh my.

[New Vihenia]

hmmm another simple spreadsheet, made to calculate increase in radar detection range based on frequency.

The sheet used inverse relations between frequency and range, i see it would be useful for anyone wants to put L-band radar within their plane to detect stealth, but don't know or only have X-band detection range for their radar.

This sheet assume same parameters (Antenna gain, etc) except frequency for the radar, this however may not be true IRL But it can give good result. More detailed analysis however if desired may need the full radar range equation.

The sheet only need three variables :

-Reference detection range for the 1st radar (Say Irbis E, with detection range of 30 Km Vs 0.0001 Sqm RCS target)
-Reference frequency (What's the operating frequency of Irbis E ? Yes it's X-band so we assume frequency of 9 Ghz)
-Operating frequency of the 2nd Radar (Say we put L-band radar there with frequency of 1.25 Ghz)

That's all needed. User only need to look to the "Calculated Parameters"Section to see that L-band radar give 2.7 times detection range of the X-band.

However please keep in mind that this sheet is based on oversimplification of matters, IRL Lower band radar may have less antenna gain than higher band radar, and may emit lesser power by platform's physical limitations (power or cooling constraints) BUT Target RCS in lower band may increase of rapidly fluctuates according to frequency, so the detection range would be at least equal or more but less than ideal factor calculated by the sheet.

That's all and happy using.

DOWNLOAD SECTION :
http://www.mediafire.com/view/o1kfsx6ch ... -freq.xlsx

[Saiyoree]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a single thing the wikipedia page is talking about.

Guns, tanks, planes.

Oh my.

Well, what do I do, because I don't know if its good or how many I can make...

[Puzikas]

Ok. Thank you.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a single thing the wikipedia page is talking about.

Basically, what you want is a defensive military. A force that consists mostly of defensive means, with little to no ability to actually project power beyond your borders. You want a force that exists exclusively the ability to defend your borders and respond to threats within your nation.

A great example of this is Sweden and Switzerland, on the European side of things. Japan, on the Asian side of things, is a good example too, though maybe a bit more advanced than you had in mind (Not that either Sweden or Switzerland are much better).


Do you have some numbers in mind? Things like defense budget and population? Whats the geography of your island like? something like Greenland or something like Japan? Or maybe the Philippines? Are their any local nations who threaten you?

These are things to keep in mind when building a military. You, as we can see, are new to Nation States, so it takes a bit of time to learn.

hmmm another simple spreadsheet, made to calculate increase in radar detection range based on frequency.

The sheet used inverse relations between frequency and range, i see it would be useful for anyone wants to put L-band radar within their plane to detect stealth, but don't know or only have X-band detection range for their radar.

This sheet assume same parameters (Antenna gain, etc) except frequency for the radar, this however may not be true IRL But it can give good result. More detailed analysis however if desired may need the full radar range equation.

The sheet only need three variables :

-Reference detection range for the 1st radar (Say Irbis E, with detection range of 30 Km Vs 0.0001 Sqm RCS target)
-Reference frequency (What's the operating frequency of Irbis E ? Yes it's X-band so we assume frequency of 9 Ghz)
-Operating frequency of the 2nd Radar (Say we put L-band radar there with frequency of 1.25 Ghz)

That's all needed. User only need to look to the "Calculated Parameters"Section to see that L-band radar give 2.7 times detection range of the X-band.

However please keep in mind that this sheet is based on oversimplification of matters, IRL Lower band radar may have less antenna gain than higher band radar, and may emit lesser power by platform's physical limitations (power or cooling constraints) BUT Target RCS in lower band may increase of rapidly fluctuates according to frequency, so the detection range would be at least equal or more but less than ideal factor calculated by the sheet.

That's all and happy using.

DOWNLOAD SECTION :
http://www.mediafire.com/view/o1kfsx6ch ... -freq.xlsx

This is beautiful.

you are beautiful.

[Saiyoree]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a single thing the wikipedia page is talking about.

Basically, what you want is a defensive military. A force that consists mostly of defensive means, with little to no ability to actually project power beyond your borders. You want a force that exists exclusively the ability to defend your borders and respond to threats within your nation.

A great example of this is Sweden and Switzerland, on the European side of things. Japan, on the Asian side of things, is a good example too, though maybe a bit more advanced than you had in mind (Not that either Sweden or Switzerland are much better).


Do you have some numbers in mind? Things like defense budget and population? Whats the geography of your island like? something like Greenland or something like Japan? Or maybe the Philippines? Are their any local nations who threaten you?

These are things to keep in mind when building a military. You, as we can see, are new to Nation States, so it takes a bit of time to learn.

hmmm another simple spreadsheet, made to calculate increase in radar detection range based on frequency.

The sheet used inverse relations between frequency and range, i see it would be useful for anyone wants to put L-band radar within their plane to detect stealth, but don't know or only have X-band detection range for their radar.

This sheet assume same parameters (Antenna gain, etc) except frequency for the radar, this however may not be true IRL But it can give good result. More detailed analysis however if desired may need the full radar range equation.

The sheet only need three variables :

-Reference detection range for the 1st radar (Say Irbis E, with detection range of 30 Km Vs 0.0001 Sqm RCS target)
-Reference frequency (What's the operating frequency of Irbis E ? Yes it's X-band so we assume frequency of 9 Ghz)
-Operating frequency of the 2nd Radar (Say we put L-band radar there with frequency of 1.25 Ghz)

That's all needed. User only need to look to the "Calculated Parameters"Section to see that L-band radar give 2.7 times detection range of the X-band.

However please keep in mind that this sheet is based on oversimplification of matters, IRL Lower band radar may have less antenna gain than higher band radar, and may emit lesser power by platform's physical limitations (power or cooling constraints) BUT Target RCS in lower band may increase of rapidly fluctuates according to frequency, so the detection range would be at least equal or more but less than ideal factor calculated by the sheet.

That's all and happy using.

DOWNLOAD SECTION :
http://www.mediafire.com/view/o1kfsx6ch ... -freq.xlsx

This is beautiful.

you are beautiful.

Well, my population is 150,000.
My budget is about 15-20 million
and I don't know. There is this country called Roski in my region who likes invading people, it seems.

[Korva]

With such a small population you need a coast guard and police force, not a military.

[Saiyoree]

With such a small population you need a coast guard and police force, not a military.

What's the difference?

[Transnapastain]

With such a small population you need a coast guard and police force, not a military.

Look at modern Panama, in that case.

[San-Silvacian]

Here is how you win:

Ally yourself with a bigger nation, said bigger nation kicks over pubbies when the try to start shit.

Thats how literally everyone else does it.

[Saiyoree]

Here is how you win:

Ally yourself with a bigger nation, said bigger nation kicks over pubbies when the try to start shit.

Thats how literally everyone else does it.

I guess i have to ally with him then.

[Transnapastain]

Here is how you win:

Ally yourself with a bigger nation, said bigger nation kicks over pubbies when the try to start shit.

Thats how literally everyone else does it.

Funny, the pubbie calls people pubbies.

Scribbie.

[San-Silvacian]

Here is how you win:

Ally yourself with a bigger nation, said bigger nation kicks over pubbies when the try to start shit.

Thats how literally everyone else does it.

Funny, the pubbie calls people pubbies.

Scribbie.

wow flaming such admin caboose

[EsToVnIa]

What is a good military to get started with?

I'm a small island nation that minds its own business, I have a very low production value, as well as population. I also don't have a lot of money for my military.

I just want to defend my island. I don't want to fight on other people's land.

Can anyone help?

Perhaps look at the Japanese Self-Defense Force for some indications of the kinds of equipment you might want, then scale it back to fit your production ability and population?

no

this is bad

dont do this

[Korva]

wr is all luck anyway
now excuse me while I knock over all the trees by our clickers

[Transnapastain]

wr is all luck anyway
now excuse me while I knock over all the trees by our clickers

You.


You are my hero, curer of sky cancer.

[Anemos Major]

What is a good military to get started with?

I'm a small island nation that minds its own business, I have a very low production value, as well as population. I also don't have a lot of money for my military.

I just want to defend my island. I don't want to fight on other people's land.

Can anyone help?

Japan's a bad example, insofar as it's a military geared around the assumption that it has the productive ability to produce superior technology or the monetary capacity to buy/license it (i.e. a small and very technologically capable military) and a defensive footing that's arguably configured towards the protection of two islands against formidable threats, only now shifting towards all the other islands (I'd assume he doesn't need the MLRS systems, or the ~500 tanks the Japanese planned to use against the Soviets at the beaches). It's a 'defensive' military force insofar as it doesn't have the capacity to strike out at other nations' territory without straining a fair bit, but it's certainly not 'defensive' on its own territory (in terms of capabilities alone).

Few questions that might be worth answering:

i) What sort of threats do you consider to be 'immediate' to your nation? Depending on what you expect to face, your weapons systems would be geared accordingly. For example, if you're poor and the enemy has a large surface fleet, you'd probably invest in strike craft and anti-ship missiles. Lots of aircraft? Air defence. And if you're expecting landings, you'd have ground forces ready to beat them back.

ii) How does your island look? Is your entire country on one big patch of seaborne land? Or do you have a variety of islands you need to cover? Depending on the above, you'd be looking at the difference between, say, a lightly mechanised response force that'd be able to rapidly cover your main island and a light infantry force capable of deploying as a light amphibious force (i.e. from speedboats, sort of what Japan had for its southern islands pre-Marine reforms) to cover your many little islands. Or here's another - how much ground/sea do you need to cover? If your territory is relatively concentrated and small, you don't need to patrol/monitor much, and that informs the state of your military. But if you have a lot of land, sea or airspace to cover and protect, that changes things a lot - suddenly, you'll have to invest in rapid-reaction ground forces, radar installations, fighter jets and more to protect the patch of the planet that you call your own.

iii) What is your nation like? Is the military deeply rooted in the national psyche, or is it just an abstract institution to most citizens. This actually makes a fair bit of a difference - and that's regardless to some extent of whether you're a totalitarian or democratic state. Take Finland and Switzerland, two very democratic states (the latter being one of the few nations to implement regular referenda as part of its legislative system at both the national and cantonal level) with consistently high levels of support for national conscription, versus Russia, a comparatively democratically constrained state where popular support for conscription is rapidly dwindling as the population comes to reassess the place, role and value of their military. Judging by what you've written, it sounds like the military isn't really a 'core' part of your nation, and in that sense you'd probably end up being a lot like Japan - it'd be a small, professional force with very limited reserves that maintains its capabilities very much separately from civil society.

[Anemos Major]

Well, my population is 150,000.
My budget is about 15-20 million
and I don't know. There is this country called Roski in my region who likes invading people, it seems.

Aha, that's a small population.

I'll take you on as a protectorate :3 been spoiling for a good war

[San-Silvacian]

Japan should just annex the Koreas again.

[Padnak]

invest in Bogghammers and stop any invasion in its tracks

[Gallia-]

Well, my population is 150,000.
My budget is about 15-20 million
and I don't know. There is this country called Roski in my region who likes invading people, it seems.

Aha, that's a small population.

I'll take you on as a protectorate :3 been spoiling for a good war

hot

[San-Silvacian]

invest in Bogghammers and stop any invasion in its tracks

Or do things that aren't dumb.