NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Gallia-]

Whats the best way to counter hostile SEAD operations?

Turn off the radar.

[Yytuskia]

Um, hi. I'm just here to post a link and see if you persons like it.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=yytu ... /id=318485

[The United Remnants of America]

Would a bullet with a titanium jacket and a shear-thickening fluid core be possible?

[Spirit of Hope]

Would a bullet with a titanium jacket and a shear-thickening fluid core be possible?

Possible? Sure. I see no advantages to be gained from this arrangement though.

[The United Remnants of America]

Would a bullet with a titanium jacket and a shear-thickening fluid core be possible?

Possible? Sure. I see no advantages to be gained from this arrangement though.

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

[Spirit of Hope]

Possible? Sure. I see no advantages to be gained from this arrangement though.

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

Again yes you could put a gold core, but it isn't going to improve performance any noticeable amount.

[Korouse]

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

Again yes you could put a gold core, but it isn't going to improve performance any noticeable amount.

Da bling doe m8.

[The Akasha Colony]

Possible? Sure. I see no advantages to be gained from this arrangement though.

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

If cost is no object then there's no reason to use gold over something like tungsten. Without radical round redesign though it's not worth it, and even with radical round redesign, it's not worth it.

[The United Remnants of America]

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

Again yes you could put a gold core, but it isn't going to improve performance any noticeable amount.

So what would be a markedly better core than lead?

[Puzikas]

Neither do I. Could gold be a better core? That is if I can cheaply get gold in those quantities.

Again yes you could put a gold core, but it isn't going to improve performance any noticeable amount.

False, it will improve terminal effectiveness by a factor of #swag, possibly causing massive amounts of bling in the system, which, I dont need to tell you, is highly devastating.

Thats why hip hop superstars load hollowpont gold-cores into their Glock 7s, gotta put down attackers fast. The problem is that the actual bullets themselves are highly cost-prohibitive for anything outside extremely specialized use, like in this case, which is why only the super wealthy, like entertainment moguls ever use them.

[The Akasha Colony]

Again yes you could put a gold core, but it isn't going to improve performance any noticeable amount.

So what would be a markedly better core than lead?

Why do you need a core that is markedly better than lead? Any change in core material is going to require a change in the bullet's design to accommodate the change in density and center of gravity, so it's not a simple swap or a simple comparison.

[The United Remnants of America]

So what would be a markedly better core than lead?

Why do you need a core that is markedly better than lead? Any change in core material is going to require a change in the bullet's design to accommodate the change in density and center of gravity, so it's not a simple swap or a simple comparison.

For that nice high-tech feel?

[Korouse]

Why do you need a core that is markedly better than lead? Any change in core material is going to require a change in the bullet's design to accommodate the change in density and center of gravity, so it's not a simple swap or a simple comparison.

For that nice high-tech feel?

Use a diamond core. It'll make your military look fancy.

[The United Remnants of America]

For that nice high-tech feel?

Use a diamond core. It'll make your military look fancy.

But that's not malleable.

[The Akasha Colony]

For that nice high-tech feel?

The high tech part is in target location and identification, not bullet composition. Unless you want to go all out with guided bullets and such.

Use a diamond core. It'll make your military look fancy.

But that's not malleable.

That's why it's the core, not the jacket.

[The United Remnants of America]

For that nice high-tech feel?

The high tech part is in target location and identification, not bullet composition. Unless you want to go all out with guided bullets and such.

But that's not malleable.

That's why it's the core, not the jacket.

Oh, the core is supposed to be rigid? I had it the other way around?

Well, shit. Why not a gold jacket with a titanium core?

[Puzikas]

Most modern bullets use a mild-steel core or have lead enveloping a steel penetrator. Most bullet are constructed, as preference, with copper or nickle jackets.


These are quality questions.

[Korouse]

The high tech part is in target location and identification, not bullet composition. Unless you want to go all out with guided bullets and such.



That's why it's the core, not the jacket.

Oh, the core is supposed to be rigid? I had it the other way around?

Well, shit. Why not a gold jacket with a titanium core?

Breaking news, Korousean Secret Service to use Golden bullets with diamond cores!

Reported cost for 40 9mm Secret Service rounds is 250,000 dollars.

[The Akasha Colony]

The high tech part is in target location and identification, not bullet composition. Unless you want to go all out with guided bullets and such.



That's why it's the core, not the jacket.

Oh, the core is supposed to be rigid? I had it the other way around?

Well, shit. Why not a gold jacket with a titanium core?

The gold jacket would do literally nothing a copper jacket would not, given that the jacket is there to reduce wear on the barrel when firing higher velocity rounds or those with very hard cores.

The titanium core wouldn't do anything either given that you generally want a denser core where possible, not a lighter one like titanium. If anything, it would reduce your bullet's performance at range due to the lower overall bullet density.

[Auroya]

How much propellant/primer would a caseless 40mm round need? And would such rounds be suitable for being continously belt-fed into an autocannon?

[Puzikas]

The gold jacket would do literally nothing a copper jacket would not, given that the jacket is there to reduce wear on the barrel when firing higher velocity rounds or those with very hard cores.

The titanium core wouldn't do anything either given that you generally want a denser core where possible, not a lighter one like titanium. If anything, it would reduce your bullet's performance at range due to the lower overall bullet density.

To add to Akasha...

Bullet jackets are a fickle mistress.

Generally speaking one wants the bullet jacket to be soft, normally they're constructed of a 95% copper and 5% Zinc alloy. Though less common, a Cupronickel jacket or mild steel jackets are seen occasionally.

Ill assume bullets are Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) for this since FMJ is the worlds standard military jacket, and offers the most advantages.

The Jacket is meant to be soft to reduce friction on the barrel of the weapon, increasing service life. It allows for hardened cores in armor penetrating projectiles to be used without worry of damage to the weapon. Generally, a FMJ consists of the entire exposed portion of the bullet in the case (The meplat, the nose, the body and most of the aft) being literally covered in a soft outer layer of metal.

The core itself has historically been made of mild steel and lead, though in modern times lead is becoming less prevalent, Its still in a few common projectiles, but its slowly being replaced bit by bit. Currently, for example, 5.45x39mm 7N6M has about 10 grains/.64 grams of Lead in it, while the original 7N6 had about 15 grains/.97 grams at the core.

[The United Remnants of America]

The gold jacket would do literally nothing a copper jacket would not, given that the jacket is there to reduce wear on the barrel when firing higher velocity rounds or those with very hard cores.

The titanium core wouldn't do anything either given that you generally want a denser core where possible, not a lighter one like titanium. If anything, it would reduce your bullet's performance at range due to the lower overall bullet density.

To add to Akasha...

Bullet jackets are a fickle mistress.

Generally speaking one wants the bullet jacket to be soft, normally they're constructed of a 95% copper and 5% Zinc alloy. Though less common, a Cupronickel jacket or mild steel jackets are seen occasionally.

Ill assume bullets are Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) for this since FMJ is the worlds standard military jacket, and offers the most advantages.

The Jacket is meant to be soft to reduce friction on the barrel of the weapon, increasing service life. It allows for hardened cores in armor penetrating projectiles to be used without worry of damage to the weapon. Generally, a FMJ consists of the entire exposed portion of the bullet in the case (The meplat, the nose, the body and most of the aft) being literally covered in a soft outer layer of metal.

The core itself has historically been made of mild steel and lead, though in modern times lead is becoming less prevalent, Its still in a few common projectiles, but its slowly being replaced bit by bit. Currently, for example, 5.45x39mm 7N6M has about 10 grains/.64 grams of Lead in it, while the original 7N6 had about 15 grains/.97 grams at the core.

So.... Could a 5.56 round be made of a titanium core and copper/zinc jacket?

Since a gold jacket is apparently not useful.

[The Akasha Colony]

So.... Could a 5.56 round be made of a titanium core and copper/zinc jacket?

Since a gold jacket is apparently not useful.

Neither is a titanium core. It would be too light and require an impracticably long bullet for that caliber to match the ballistic performance of existing 5.56 rounds.

[Puzikas]

I mean, I fail to see the point when you could just use mild steel and have it be cheaper and more effective, but if you really want to have a less effective, more expensive bullet, go right ahead.

[The United Remnants of America]

Ugh, I'll just use depleted uranium cores then.