NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Questers]

nah the question was whether they are a good alternate if you cant have a blue water navy.

[New Oyashima]

IJN >>>>>>>> British Gayvy.

You do know who trained the IJN when it formed and turned it into a modern navy?, right?

I'm aware.
But they overtook them in terms of tactics and ships.

Britain is a bad nation that only got powerful because coal.

no it got powerful because it was smart enough to figure out to burn coal rather than burn sticks in memory of your great great great great grand uncle whose divine wisdom you still follow

IJN >>>>>>>> British Gayvy.

yea i forgot about that war where japan beat britain

Lel they aren't special, everyone in Europe was experimenting with the tech, Britain just hd more coal.

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

[Padnak]

Building artificial islands is pretty cheep tbh, all you need is some concrete and a dredging barge

yes, but the very vulnerable planes you put on them are not cheap.

no more vulnerable then they would be sitting on an airfield in mainland china, although there are sitting ducks for any competent navy to destroy

What boggles my mind is that china doesn't go to Russia and purchase decent equipment and tries to fart around with their own home grown stuff

smh

Are we really arguing that island forts are superior or even comparable to a blue water navy?

Wasn't my original intention... I was only wondering if they would have any value compared to not having them

nah the question was whether they are a good alternate if you cant have a blue water navy.

[Elan Valleys]

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

Almost like we were fighting on three naval fronts isn't it?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

..neither are those that you'd put on a carrier

...

yes except carriers arent stationary indefensible targets ????

stationary? nope

why would they be any more defensible than an island tho? save for their mobility

[Questers]

You do know who trained the IJN when it formed and turned it into a modern navy?, right?

I'm aware.
But they overtook them in terms of tactics and ships.

no it got powerful because it was smart enough to figure out to burn coal rather than burn sticks in memory of your great great great great grand uncle whose divine wisdom you still follow

yea i forgot about that war where japan beat britain

Lel they aren't special, everyone in Europe was experimenting with the tech, Britain just hd more coal.

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

britain did not have the most coal in europe LoL - and the quantity of coal was never relevant

yeah britain did do something significant but it wasnt naval it was inventing the atomic bomb



maybe next time japan will try signing the geneva convention

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

yes, but the very vulnerable planes you put on them are not cheap.

no more vulnerable then they would be sitting on an airfield in mainland china, although there are sitting ducks for any competent navy to destroy

What boggles my mind is that china doesn't go to Russia and purchase decent equipment and tries to fart around with their own home grown stuff

smh

Are we really arguing that island forts are superior or even comparable to a blue water navy?

Wasn't my original intention... I was only wondering if they would have any value compared to not having them

nah the question was whether they are a good alternate if you cant have a blue water navy.

>russia
>decent blue water anything

haha i lol'd

assuming thats what you meant

[Inyourfaceistan]

Are we really arguing that island forts are superior or even comparable to a blue water navy?

Obviously these island fortresses need more HARP/Babylon guns.!

Shameless repost:

What about J-20?

I know DF-21D is more of a political bluff than a real asset, and J-31 is a TotallyNotF-35; but I haven't heard much about the J-20 fighter.

[Questers]

no more vulnerable then they would be sitting on an airfield in mainland china, although there are sitting ducks for any competent navy to destroy

except china has an IADS. an ocean-erected base does not.

[Gallia-]

I'm aware.
But they overtook them in terms of tactics and ships.


Lel they aren't special, everyone in Europe was experimenting with the tech, Britain just hd more coal.

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

britain did not have the most coal in europe LoL - and the quantity of coal was never relevant

yeah britain did do something significant but it wasnt naval it was inventing the atomic bomb



maybe next time japan will try signing the geneva convention

still cant win the world cup i n g e r l a n d

[Questers]

uhhh the russian submarines and some of their latest frigates are quite good.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I think I'm going to keep the Defender and also field a UTV/sidebyside . A jeep would have been kind of too small for LSV/WMIK application and a bunch of other stuff (that would still be better done by something smaller and lighter than JLTV). Also, UTVs tend to be lighter than jeeps, and generally well suited for outdoor stuff and military use. For civvies you're better off buying e.g. a Suzuki Samurai, which does offer better on-roading and comfort but weight is a trade-off.

Well one could argue that by eliminating doors etc. bringing the samurai to open-top jeep condition you'd lose a lot of weight, but you'll also gain a lot b/c roll cage, etc. so you'd be kind of at square one. All listed specs for side-by-sides are for ready to use vehicles basically as most "military" and off-road equipment is already on there.

When you compare UTVs to purpose-built military jeeps like M151 or Mitsubishi whatever, UTV are at a definite advantage being lighter and featuring much smaller engines (so with increased fuel economy or range) with similar performance.

With that being said, I will not be using sport ATVs or quads for mainline general purpose stuff. These are best left to SOF, if at all.

I think I'll be going with a Yamaha Viking style rig that sits 3 across. The variant with back seats would offer "full" seating for 6 and leave the cargo bed open:

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..and it's only an inch over the 60" width mark iirc. so should probably fit nicely even in a not-NH90, with a mrzr-style collapsible rollcage

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do you use mattracks at all?

if you can i can

opinions anyone pls?

[Questers]

britain did not have the most coal in europe LoL - and the quantity of coal was never relevant

yeah britain did do something significant but it wasnt naval it was inventing the atomic bomb



maybe next time japan will try signing the geneva convention

still cant win the world cup i n g e r l a n d

two world wars and one world cup

[Korva]

Confucius say: Don't make island like ship, make ship like island.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

uhhh the russian submarines and some of their latest frigates are quite good.

bro do u even into carriers?

[Questers]

uhhh the russian submarines and some of their latest frigates are quite good.

bro do u even into carriers?

"blue water" doesnt mean "carrier" sorry

[New Oyashima]

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

Almost like we were fighting on three naval fronts isn't it?

British ships could've fought solely in the Pacific from the beginning and lost all their ships to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Aviation groups.

Yeah KKKwesters in his infinite army wisdom overcomes my two years of college k.

[Padnak]

>russia
>decent blue water anything

haha i lol'd

assuming thats what you meant

I was more talking in general, but comparatively Russia's decent blue water ships are miles better then anything China has produced (apart from the glorious Type 037 sub chaser)

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Confucius say: Don't make island like ship, make ship like island.

im sure that optical camo will totally thwart off any and all radars & shit

[Questers]

Japan lost its war not in the air but underneath the sea and that would have been true against any country since Japan had virtually no ASW doctrine or assets.

also i am not in the army ??????

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

bro do u even into carriers?

"blue water" doesnt mean "carrier" sorry

you kind of fail at blue water navy if you don't have at least some decent carriers tbh

[Korva]

Confucius say: Don't make island like ship, make ship like island.

im sure that optical camo will totally thwart off any and all radars & shit

yeah, japanese radar was so pervasive that the Abraham Crijnssen never escaped Java

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm aware.
But they overtook them in terms of tactics and ships.


Lel they aren't special, everyone in Europe was experimenting with the tech, Britain just hd more coal.

British navy would be wreked 1v1, you act as if they did anything significant besides sending Repulse and Whales to get sunk.

britain did not have the most coal in europe LoL - and the quantity of coal was never relevant

yeah britain did do something significant but it wasnt naval it was inventing the atomic bomb



maybe next time japan will try signing the geneva convention

We did so much inventing the atomic bomb we built the Seascale Air-Cooled Piles and a series of inexplicably and increasingly complex nuclear reactors because the Americans wouldn't tell us how to invent it.

[Questers]

"blue water" doesnt mean "carrier" sorry

you kind of fail at blue water navy if you don't have at least some decent carriers tbh

not really. SSNs are king of the ocean

[Padnak]

I'm curious now though, what makes an island indefensible compared to a carrier? Sure an island can't move, but it also can't be sunk. I assume that these islands china is building are defended by ships and whatnot-