NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Atomic Utopia]

Who said I have to orbit it at all?

That's a missile at that point.

What do you have against missiles?

[Roski]

That's a missile at that point.

What do you have against missiles?

You can attempt to run away from missiles.

[The Corparation]

What do you have against missiles?

You can attempt to run away from missiles.

Same goes for a satellite. And with a satellite you'll likely be able to see it sooner.

[Roski]

You can attempt to run away from missiles.

Same goes for a satellite. And with a satellite you'll likely be able to see it sooner.

If you knew what the satellite is for.

[Yukonastan]

Same goes for a satellite. And with a satellite you'll likely be able to see it sooner.

If you knew what the satellite is for.

"Oh hey that satellite doesn't show up on the chart of international satellites, and it doesn't have a camera on it."

"Shoot it down."

[Roski]

If you knew what the satellite is for.

"Oh hey that satellite doesn't show up on the chart of international satellites, and it doesn't have a camera on it."

"Shoot it down."

Ew no.

You don't make a super stealthy hell-maker device and forget simple steps.

[Yukonastan]

"Oh hey that satellite doesn't show up on the chart of international satellites, and it doesn't have a camera on it."

"Shoot it down."

Ew no.

You don't make a super stealthy hell-maker device and forget simple steps.

Why bother with the chance of having your C4-filled sat be asat'd before it's supposed to blow? That's my reasoning behind putting that payload into a :not:ICBM.

[The Corparation]

Same goes for a satellite. And with a satellite you'll likely be able to see it sooner.

If you knew what the satellite is for.

"Hey that satellite that we don't know the role of just maneuvered multiple times and is now on an interesting orbit with our whatever-sat." "Right, have the whatever-sat to adjust its orbit so that we don't run the risk of collision."

It's a bit more complicated than that, but you get the idea. It really doesn't take much to move out of the way of another satellite if you have time, and an orbital rendezvous isn't exactly something that's fast or simple. A missile on the other hand will give you a much more limited time to act.

[Roski]

If you knew what the satellite is for.

"Hey that satellite that we don't know the role of just maneuvered multiple times and is now on an interesting orbit with our whatever-sat." "Right, have the whatever-sat to adjust its orbit so that we don't run the risk of collision."

It's a bit more complicated than that, but you get the idea. It really doesn't take much to move out of the way of another satellite if you have time, and an orbital rendezvous isn't exactly something that's fast or simple. A missile on the other hand will give you a much more limited time to act.

Fair enough, I suppose.


But, does anyone know the best organization structure to mimic?

[Roski]

"Hey that satellite that we don't know the role of just maneuvered multiple times and is now on an interesting orbit with our whatever-sat." "Right, have the whatever-sat to adjust its orbit so that we don't run the risk of collision."

It's a bit more complicated than that, but you get the idea. It really doesn't take much to move out of the way of another satellite if you have time, and an orbital rendezvous isn't exactly something that's fast or simple. A missile on the other hand will give you a much more limited time to act.

Fair enough, I suppose.


But, does anyone know the best organization structure to mimic?

Editing this a bit - what is a good nation's structure to mimic for defencive purposes, and what's a good nation's structure to mimic for foriegn intervention

By structure, I mean command, brigades, etc etc.

[Vancon]

Can someone link me Novo's new tracks list thing?

[Vancon]

Can someone link me Novo's new tracks list thing?

[Immoren]

Assuming you're in a non-equatorial orbit, of course. But either way, it illustrates the point that a satellite-based wunderwaffe is a bad idea.

Then make the satellite the wunderwaffe itself

You mean like, dropping the moon on the enemy army?

[Yukonastan]

Then make the satellite the wunderwaffe itself

You mean like, dropping the moon on the enemy army?

Roski apparently into's suicide sats. I into suicide ICBMs.

[Immoren]

You mean like, dropping the moon on the enemy army?

Roski apparently into's suicide sats. I into suicide ICBMs.

I read the thread afterwards. Of course.

[Elan Valleys]

Can someone link me Novo's new tracks list thing?

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[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Let's talk about small, light vehicles. The kind you can internal carry and airdrop from pretty much anything. Which ones you use and why. Which you feel has a place in a military and which doesn't.

• jeeps, Defenders, G-Klasse's
• internally transportable vehicles, flyers, growlers, S-ATV, all that jazz
• ubertacticool specops glorified jeep-buggies, HDT Storms, etc.
• ATVs - MRZR, etc.
• Quads
• Motorbikes
• Bikes
• Misc

????

[Imperializt Russia]

1. Rods from god suck.
2. The really big EMPs are produced by nuclear bombs. Conventional EMPs cover about the same area as a conventional bomb.

1. Eh, they're fast, and are powerful combined. Admittedly, the satellites would be hard to protect.
2. That's what I thought. I assume conventional EMP carpet-bombing would be highly unrealistic?

Yes.

An EMP bomb would be a specialist-application weapon for use against specialist targets. Radar groups, communication networks, etc.

If you knew what the satellite is for.

"Oh hey that satellite doesn't show up on the chart of international satellites, and it doesn't have a camera on it."

"Shoot it down."

More like "that satellite is fucking colossal. That's unreasonably large. My suspicions, and other senses, are aroused."

[Auroya]

Assume I have a casaba-howitzer on a weapons station which orbits at perhaps 500-600 kilometers. Obviously, the altitude should be enough to protect me from the sort of small ASATs which can be launched by aircraft, but the station can still be shot at if the enemy has weapons with that range.

Now assume I detect such a weapon, probably nuclear in nature, heading towards me, as it leaves the atmosphere at some 100km of altitude. If I were to shoot the casaba-howitzer at it, what are the effects at the Earth's surface likely to be when the nuclear shaped charge plume impacts it, and what sort of systems would I need to ensure that the missile is hit from that distance, assuming the shaped charge disperses at around two degrees?

According to some rough calculations, that would mean the plume has a width of 8.7km (at most) when it reaches the missile.

[The Kievan People]

Assume I have a casaba-howitzer on a weapons station which orbits at perhaps 500-600 kilometers. Obviously, the altitude should be enough to protect me from the sort of small ASATs which can be launched by aircraft, but the station can still be shot at if the enemy has weapons with that range.

Now assume I detect such a weapon, probably nuclear in nature, heading towards me, as it leaves the atmosphere at some 100km of altitude. If I were to shoot the casaba-howitzer at it, what are the effects at the Earth's surface likely to be when the nuclear shaped charge plume impacts it, and what sort of systems would I need to ensure that the missile is hit from that distance, assuming the shaped charge disperses at around two degrees?

According to some rough calculations, that would mean the plume has a width of 8.7km (at most) when it reaches the missile.

This isn't a nuclear version of brilliant pebbles is it?

Brilliant pebbles weren't so great.

[Alien Space Bats]

Alright, I will use kinetic suborbital ICBMs, then.

Why? What's the value of using missile-launched kinetic ordnance?

Would the nuke have the fallout of a ground-detonated nuke?

No. Fallout comes from dirt from the surface being sucked up into the fireball and subsequently irradiated. That won't happen with high airbursts or suborbital/orbital bursts.

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EDIT: The problem of fallout generation will be on the exam, so pay attention (IOW, when I talk about Orion-style NPP in a bit, it's going to matter).

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

A few well placed sattelites could likely do severe damage.

Nobody expects a satellite exploding

Why waste the time to move it into orbit, then deorbit it? Why not launch it suborbitally when it's required, and save all that fuel and energy?

Because they are satellites, my assumption is that they are non-vital satellites that the government decides to send hurtling towards the enemy country once war is declared, they pretty much just hang out in orbit doing other stuff until war is declared to provide a first strike capability that is hard to retaliate against. In all honesty I doubt the accuracy of de-orbited satellites which would make such an idea pretty useless for first strike abilities and entirely useless for later strikes as the enemy starts shooting down satellites once war is declared.

Neat idea, certainly plausible, but not really useful. 3/10 might use for the lulz.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

UTV vs jeep

also does a Defender offer any significant advantages over a jeep? ..seeing how on-road performance (read: not rollover every time it takes a turn at over 20 mph) would be the main thing.

[Imperializt Russia]

Assume I have a casaba-howitzer on a weapons station which orbits at perhaps 500-600 kilometers. Obviously, the altitude should be enough to protect me from the sort of small ASATs which can be launched by aircraft, but the station can still be shot at if the enemy has weapons with that range.

Now assume I detect such a weapon, probably nuclear in nature, heading towards me, as it leaves the atmosphere at some 100km of altitude. If I were to shoot the casaba-howitzer at it, what are the effects at the Earth's surface likely to be when the nuclear shaped charge plume impacts it, and what sort of systems would I need to ensure that the missile is hit from that distance, assuming the shaped charge disperses at around two degrees?

According to some rough calculations, that would mean the plume has a width of 8.7km (at most) when it reaches the missile.

A significant flux of EM radiation strikes the earth's atmosphere and makes funny dancing lights.
This may affect something.

[Korva]

UTV vs jeep

I believe a jeep will have a higher road speed and probably a higher towing capacity.