NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Kouralia]

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

Israel does not conscript the physically disabled, but under law they cannot be prevented from enlisting if they so choose.

What would happen if they did enlist? Would they just be thrown out at the point (assuming it happened) that their disability rendered them incapable of attaining a mandated minimum level of fitness/competency/capability?

[Questers]

tbh i am srsly thinking about joining the british army

[San-Silvacian]

tbh i am srsly thinking about joining the british army

"im mat make me a tanker"

"no ur u supply specialist"

"ffs"

[Questers]

tbh i am srsly thinking about joining the british army

"im mat make me a tanker"

"no ur u supply specialist"

"ffs"

tbh my first choice would be brigade of gurkhas or army aviation

[Kouralia]

"im mat make me a tanker"

"no ur u supply specialist"

"ffs"

tbh my first choice would be brigade of gurkhas or army aviation

Sandhurst, or enlisted?

[Questers]

tbh my first choice would be brigade of gurkhas or army aviation

Sandhurst, or enlisted?

as if you think i would enlist

[Korva]

WIP: http://i.imgur.com/4ifGbQR.png

Korvan is French without a billion articles, prepositions, possessive adjectives, and accents.

Historically they were too busy killing kebab to remember all that.

[Imperializt Russia]

tbh i am srsly thinking about joining the british army

I reckon I'll join the reserves when I graduate.

[Padnak]

I have intoed the redoing of my LID

Thoughts?

Maneuver groups are the divisions primary combat formation. The tank brigades tanks are allocated to MGs as needed, while artillery from the artillery brigade supports MG operations.

Retoast

[Korva]

It might just be me but I find it hard to read.

[Vancon]

WIP: http://i.imgur.com/4ifGbQR.png

Korvan is French without a billion articles, prepositions, possessive adjectives, and accents.

Historically they were too busy killing kebab to remember all that.

For your Div. de Nord and Div de Sud, it should be du instead of de

[Korva]

WIP: http://i.imgur.com/4ifGbQR.png

Korvan is French without a billion articles, prepositions, possessive adjectives, and accents.

Historically they were too busy killing kebab to remember all that.

For your Div. de Nord and Div de Sud, it should be du instead of de

Korvan is French without a billion articles, prepositions, possessive adjectives, and accents.

You'll notice I didn't use any contractions either.

Double majored in French/History at university and have no desire to ever speak it properly again

[Vancon]

For your Div. de Nord and Div de Sud, it should be du instead of de

Korvan is French without a billion articles, prepositions, possessive adjectives, and accents.

You'll notice I didn't use any contractions either.

Double majored in French/History at university and have no desire to ever speak it properly again

But muh jimmis are super rustled right now.

[Korva]

You'll notice I didn't use any contractions either.

Double majored in French/History at university and have no desire to ever speak it properly again

But muh jimmis are super rustled right now.

mes* jimmis

[Gawdzendia]

But muh jimmis are super rustled right now.

mes* jimmis

I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did at this.*

*I's gots a Pleurisy and laughter feckin' hurts

[Korva]

Almost done

[Elan Valleys]

tbh i am srsly thinking about joining the british army

I reckon I'll join the reserves when I graduate.

Pesky medical stuff got in the way.

'Rules' and 'regulations'

[Yukonastan]

Almost done

You still didn't release the specifications for milkscale...

[The Kievan People]

Pesky medical stuff got in the way.

'Rules' and 'regulations'

I know that feeling

[Yukonastan]

Pesky medical stuff got in the way.

'Rules' and 'regulations'

I know that feeling

The reason why I'll never be a fighter pilot. Now I don't have an excuse to be a cocky bastard...

[Korva]

Almost done

You still didn't release the specifications for milkscale...

triple top secret, sry

I know that feeling

The reason why I'll never be a fighter pilot. Now I don't have an excuse to be a cocky bastard...

just go to any grad school and you can artificially inflate your sense of self worth for years to come

[Immoren]

I'd attempt Re enlisting as career nco into FDF but
1)I can't run 2600 meters over 12minute run
2) I wasn't given reserve nco training during my time as conscript so due to downsizing of FDF there are probably more then enough applicants with reserve nco training for me to compete with

[United Earthlings]

Oh man, all this talk of organizational structures and here's me with my strange home grown one

The Padnaki military uses a mix of conventional soviet styled divisions and light infantry divisions/regiments. The Padnaki army's armored and mechanized divisions are soviet styled armored and motor rifle divisions respectively, while its light and motorized infantry divisions and regiments are homebrewed.

Light infantry divisions contain 22,000 troops and are commanded by a senior colonel or equivalent (major general, etc). Light infantry divisions are made up of 38 light infantry battalions (the divisions main combat formation), 5 tank battalions (or more depending on the division) 6 artillery battalions and a recon battalion + supporting elements (supply battalions, staff units etc). A light infantry battalion (LIB) is made up 400 troops and is capable of limited independent operations. LIBs have a fairly sizable unit tail that allows them to conduct some independent operations and occasionally will have a tank platoon attached to them. Light infantry are expected to fight on foot and are transported to and from battle in trucks, which greatly reduces the unit fuel tail and augments the number of trucks able to carry supplies. Generally light infantry divisions are permanently based in an area and are responsible for keeping the area under junta control, so they are rarely involved in offensive action on a divisional scale and can rely on established depots and support units for supply and support.

Independent regiments, mostly enlarged soviet styled operations, are the military's main offensive combat formation. Independent regiments organized like this but with a few changes. An additional motor rifle battalion (in Padnak called Motorized/mechanized infantry depending on if they have APCs or IFVs and or wheeled or tracked vehicles) has been added and the supply tail has been almost doubled in size to compensate for the unit being independent. The regimental field artillery section has been enlarged and now includes 12 guns. The commandants service (in Padnak known as rear area forces) has been enlarged.

During operations independent regiments are supposed to use their more heavily equipped forces to conduct the bulk of the combat while drawing on the support of light infantry divisions. Most Padnaki military strategy is concentrated around small units trying to accomplish limited objectives without allot of high level direction. Small units are thought to be more effective in the jungle where they can more easily react to rapidly changing battles and can more easily maneuver without dragging huge amounts of support personnel along with them like they would be if operations were carried out with large scale units. Communication between units is vital as should be apparent. The focus on the battalion is a bit of a leftover from pre-military modernization Padnak when the battalion was about as large as a unit could get and still feasibly acquire most of its own non-military supplies (food, construction materials etc) locally.

I know my whole thing has some flaws, but I tried to make something a little interesting and I think it turned out ok, thoughts and constructive criticism needed

Those LID {*see note} are going to be very unwieldy in battle as far as effective C2 {command & control} is concerned. As a comparison, my infantry divisions are of the triangular variety with three battalions per regiment times three regiments for a total of nine {9} infantry battalions. Furthermore, with all attachments my infantry divisions have a little over 15,000 personnel. While, I have lesser quantity wise in battalion numbers my battalions are also twice as large in strength at over 800 personnel and are fully capable of independent action as part of combat command groups that combined infantry, armor-as there is usually an attached tank battalion assigned to each infantry division, artillery and finally the integrated plus attach aviation brigades.

Furthermore, a triangular formation allows greater flexibility for you to mix and match depending on the local circumstances.

*Note: A small historical introduction IMO is warranted as to why there referred to as light divisions when in fact by all appearances they more aptly fall into the category of large Mechanized Divisions.

Though the following is slightly out of date as it's from a book originally published in 1991, seeing as a lot of basis for peoples various divisions is from the late Cold War era especially in regards to Soviet Divisions, the following should fill in the some of the gaps I missed.

"In some armed forces, notably the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, divisions are very large formations (16,000-20,000 personnel) with much organic logistic support, which are normally the focus of operational decision making. In the Soviet and other WARSAW PACT armies, the division is smaller and often functions as a component of larger multi-divisional formations, with limited capability for sustained independent operations. Support is instead concentrated at the army and FRONT levels, which are the focal points of decision making. (Despite their name, Soviet motorized rifle divisions are actually mechanized divisions with ratios between mechanized and tank battalions varying between 1:1 and 3:2 in mechanized divisions. Armored/tank divisions are similar to mechanized divisions, except that the ratio of mechanized to tank battalions is reversed).

The organization of divisions has traditionally been either triangular or rectangular; i.e, they are composed of either 3 or 4 brigades or regiments, each in turn composed of either 3 or 4 maneuver battalions. Two regiment divisions lack staying power, while those with more then 4 are too unwieldy. In the 1950s, the U.S. Army tried a 5-brigade Pentomic organization with very small brigades, but later returned to the 3 brigade organization in the 1960s ROAD. Soviet divisions meanwhile, are rectangular with 3 tank and 1 Motorized Rifle Regiment in tank divisions with the inverse ratio found in motorized rifle divisions. The French army had small rectangular divisions of 4 very small regiments with each not much larger than a U.S. Battalion, hence, French divisions amount to large independent brigades in U.S. Terms.

The size of divisions varies widely from 6,000 to 26,000 personnel, partly in reflection of preferred operational methods. Armies that rely on attritional methods generally field large divisions with substantial organic logistic support to process the vast amounts of ammunition and equipment that such methods consume. Maneuver-oriented armies tend to prefer smaller and more flexible divisions with less of a logistic tail.

[Padnak]

Those LID {*see note} are going to be very unwieldy in battle as far as effective C2 {command & control} is concerned. As a comparison, my infantry divisions are of the triangular variety with three battalions per regiment times three regiments for a total of nine {9} infantry battalions. Furthermore, with all attachments my infantry divisions have a little over 15,000 personnel. While, I have lesser quantity wise in battalion numbers my battalions are also twice as large in strength at over 800 personnel and are fully capable of independent action as part of combat command groups that combined infantry, armor-as there is usually an attached tank battalion assigned to each infantry division, artillery and finally the integrated plus attach aviation brigades.

Furthermore, a triangular formation allows greater flexibility for you to mix and match depending on the local circumstances.

*Note: A small historical introduction IMO is warranted as to why there referred to as light divisions when in fact by all appearances they more aptly fall into the category of large Mechanized Divisions.

Though the following is slightly out of date as it's from a book originally published in 1991, seeing as a lot of basis for peoples various divisions is from the late Cold War era especially in regards to Soviet Divisions, the following should fill in the some of the gaps I missed.

"In some armed forces, notably the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, divisions are very large formations (16,000-20,000 personnel) with much organic logistic support, which are normally the focus of operational decision making. In the Soviet and other WARSAW PACT armies, the division is smaller and often functions as a component of larger multi-divisional formations, with limited capability for sustained independent operations. Support is instead concentrated at the army and FRONT levels, which are the focal points of decision making. (Despite their name, Soviet motorized rifle divisions are actually mechanized divisions with ratios between mechanized and tank battalions varying between 1:1 and 3:2 in mechanized divisions. Armored/tank divisions are similar to mechanized divisions, except that the ratio of mechanized to tank battalions is reversed).

The organization of divisions has traditionally been either triangular or rectangular; i.e, they are composed of either 3 or 4 brigades or regiments, each in turn composed of either 3 or 4 maneuver battalions. Two regiment divisions lack staying power, while those with more then 4 are too unwieldy. In the 1950s, the U.S. Army tried a 5-brigade Pentomic organization with very small brigades, but later returned to the 3 brigade organization in the 1960s ROAD. Soviet divisions meanwhile, are rectangular with 3 tank and 1 Motorized Rifle Regiment in tank divisions with the inverse ratio found in motorized rifle divisions. The French army had small rectangular divisions of 4 very small regiments with each not much larger than a U.S. Battalion, hence, French divisions amount to large independent brigades in U.S. Terms.

The size of divisions varies widely from 6,000 to 26,000 personnel, partly in reflection of preferred operational methods. Armies that rely on attritional methods generally field large divisions with substantial organic logistic support to process the vast amounts of ammunition and equipment that such methods consume. Maneuver-oriented armies tend to prefer smaller and more flexible divisions with less of a logistic tail.

Light Infantry Divisions are so named because pre-modernization in the 1990s they were almost entirely foot infantry (called light infantry in Padnak) and lacked any sort of motorization outside of supply and armored units within the division. I'm fairly well versed in soviet organizational structure (I use it in my armored and mechanized divisions, along with a modified version of a soviet regiment for my independent regiments). The huge number of small battalions in a LID originally was going to be the result of the usage of LIDs as territorial control forces by the junta which required the division to spread its forces over a very large area but without heavy combat likely of occurring. The battalions would be stationed throughout the divisions catchment area and would act as the regional government apparatus. In this the division itself is little more then an administrative organization that provides the battalions with supply and non-combat support but doesn't really do anything else, while the battalions are left to handle things on their own with a bit of oversight from the divisions head.

I've been reading over FM 100-63 (many thanks to The Kievan People) and I've redone my LID.


Maneuver groups are the divisions primary combat formation. The tank brigades tanks are allocated to MGs as needed, while artillery from the artillery brigade supports MG operations. The division still fills a similar role to before, being a support and administration body, but now the battalions have organic support forces (tanks, mortars etc). MGs are around 1600 man strong (ish) which should be a good size to conduct typical operations and they have three main combat arms with which to approach objectives with. Armored and artillery support is now closer to the battalions in the form of the divisional armored and artillery brigades from which units can be drawn and attached to MGs

[New Kvenland]

So, I have two things that may or may not be realistic; kinetic bombardment and EMP bombs. Are these feasible? If so, how many?