NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Padnak]

http://tinyurl.com/p43d9fh

FM100-60s lesser known cousin FM100-63 is a good place to mine for ideas. It doesn't reflect any real military but it is an attempt to create a template for an Iraq/Serbia style third world state with an infantry heavy army organized along Soviet lines.

Many thanks, I'll give it a look over

Thoughts on my current set up?

[The Kievan People]

~43 maneuver battalions is a bit much for one division. And is this anything between division and battalion level?

[Padnak]

~43 maneuver battalions is a bit much for one division. And is this anything between division and battalion level?

The division is mostly administrative (and although not explicitly military, forms the basic local government of wherever its based) and currently there isn't any units in between the battalion and divisional level within the LID

The battalions are only 400 men strong, should I merge some together to reduce the overall number but increase the size of them?

EDIT

Forgot to mention, doesn't really fall under administrative, but divisional level provides supply services and large scale engineering

[The Kievan People]

Also, you don't divide the division manpower into the number of battalions. Divisions have other stuff.

[Padnak]

Also, you don't divide the division manpower into the number of battalions. Divisions have other stuff.

Out of a 22,000 man division there are around 4000 support personnel (if I did my maths right) if that's what you mean

Currently reading over FM 100-63, and me thinks I'm going to be reworking a bunch of stuff

[Atomic Utopia]

I know that many of you miss the stupid and idiotic questions about the practicality of nuclear everything, and I regret to inform you that my period away from the internet and in the hospital after a surgery has left me time to contemplate the meaning of life the universe and everything, needless to say that did not go well and they are still cleaning peaces of my head off of the wall; however, it left me with the realization that just because something is nuclear does not make it instantly awesome.

On that note I have a question, would it be reasonable to have a mixed civilian and military nuclear program, or should I keep them separate? I ask this because currently I have the military program using a few of my power generating fast breeder reactors for weapons grade plutonium production, and a fair deal of my nuclear engineers in my civilian program are in my military program as well. If this is not a good idea than suggest what would be a good idea please.

[Padnak]

For a unit with around 1300 personnel, how large of a staff unit should be included?

[Padnak]

I have intoed the redoing of my LID

Thoughts?

Maneuver groups are the divisions primary combat formation. The tank brigades tanks are allocated to MGs as needed, while artillery from the artillery brigade supports MG operations.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

[Roski]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

What is that?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

What is that?

Look it up on Wikipedia. It's from a TV show.

[Atomic Utopia]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

Are you my replacement, if you are it is nice to meet you, I am this thread's resident pro nuclear person to put Edward Teller to shame (yes I support the use of peaceful nuclear explosives in certain situations), however I have recently been ill so I think the omniscient council of ominousness that runs NS thought I may have kicked the bucket and decided to send in a replacement for the resident insane person for this thread, I am happy to say though that I am here to say and spread my insanity. /s

No, do not do that, that is a horrible idea as that TV series is completely unrealistic. I seriously hope you are merely joking.

[The Corparation]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

Babylon 5 scale construction projects are still a good way off, even assuming shit like Advanced Orion it going to take hundreds of launches to build an O'Neil Cylinder of that size.

Having a StarFury is just a flat out no.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

Are you my replacement, if you are it is nice to meet you, I am this thread's resident pro nuclear person to put Edward Teller to shame (yes I support the use of peaceful nuclear explosives in certain situations), however I have recently been ill so I think the omniscient council of ominousness that runs NS thought I may have kicked the bucket and decided to send in a replacement for the resident insane person for this thread, I am happy to say though that I am here to say and spread my insanity. /s

No, do not do that, that is a horrible idea as that TV series is completely unrealistic. I seriously hope you are merely joking.

It's actually based off of scientific analysis and a team from NASA looked into a starfury once. I read they had consulted NASA about the tech.

And to be fair, I know a lot about B5. I know this is all impossible as of now.

But Llamaopia DOESNT. And thinks he can have B5 as an orbital station.

[The Corparation]

The thing with the Starfury is that yes they took into account a lot of things most people who make starfighters didn't, and yes they did consult with people who worked for NASA, it is still at its heart the same sort of craft as the noble viper and x-wing. A small one man craft which swoops and dives through space while ignoring orbital mechanics.

I personally never got into Babylon 5, but I give the creators a lot of credit for trying to keep their tech hard. But when you get right down to the core of it all, it really isn't very hard. Its a Future Tech World, where the writer tried to look at physics every now and then as long as it fit with their vision, which I respect, but reality will never look anything like it does in their vision.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

The thing with the Starfury is that yes they took into account a lot of things most people who make starfighters didn't, and yes they did consult with people who worked for NASA, it is still at its heart the same sort of craft as the noble viper and x-wing. A small one man craft which swoops and dives through space while ignoring orbital mechanics.

I personally never got into Babylon 5, but I give the creators a lot of credit for trying to keep their tech hard. But when you get right down to the core of it all, it really isn't very hard. Its a Future Tech World, where the writer tried to look at physics every now and then as long as it fit with their vision, which I respect, but reality will never look anything like it does in their vision.

So no to Space fighters?

[The Corparation]

The thing with the Starfury is that yes they took into account a lot of things most people who make starfighters didn't, and yes they did consult with people who worked for NASA, it is still at its heart the same sort of craft as the noble viper and x-wing. A small one man craft which swoops and dives through space while ignoring orbital mechanics.

I personally never got into Babylon 5, but I give the creators a lot of credit for trying to keep their tech hard. But when you get right down to the core of it all, it really isn't very hard. Its a Future Tech World, where the writer tried to look at physics every now and then as long as it fit with their vision, which I respect, but reality will never look anything like it does in their vision.

So no to Space fighters?

Workability of space fighters is a large topic of debate which I won't start here. Whether you use them in a RP or not, If you want to claim them to be realistic, I feel the need to point out that no matter the form they take, they will not look like anything like they do in the movies. They will not fly as they do in the movies. They will not fight as they do in the movies. In fact an actual dogfight between real life space fighters would probably be fairly boring to watch, a delicate dance between two ships spread out over hours or even days. Of course boring to watch doesn't mean it would be a boring story.


EDIT: IF you want to talk more, I'd be happy to take it to TG as its not much of a discussion suited to the usually MT standpoint of the thread.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Can you make a Babylon 5 station with their Starfuries in an MT era?

Nope. a Babylon project O'Neill station of those scales (upwards of 4KM in length if my foggy memory hasn't failed yet) would basically bankrupt present-day economies and would be impossible anyway due to the lack of sufficient launchers capable of handling the volume of material needed.

And why would you want to? What possible purpose would you have for such a massive megaproject in the modern day???? Bear in mind the Babylon Projects were supposed to be diplomacy stations (that happened to be armed for self defence), not "keel all things" stations.

So no to Space fighters?

At least in the context of MT, no. If you need something to destroy satellites or today's measly stations just use ASATs.

[Pharthan]

The thing with the Starfury is that yes they took into account a lot of things most people who make starfighters didn't, and yes they did consult with people who worked for NASA, it is still at its heart the same sort of craft as the noble viper and x-wing. A small one man craft which swoops and dives through space while ignoring orbital mechanics.

I personally never got into Babylon 5, but I give the creators a lot of credit for trying to keep their tech hard. But when you get right down to the core of it all, it really isn't very hard. Its a Future Tech World, where the writer tried to look at physics every now and then as long as it fit with their vision, which I respect, but reality will never look anything like it does in their vision.

So no to Space fighters?

It would largely be based on the nature of your tech level.

If you're talking FT, you can start getting into Battlestar Galactica level, where you have to worry about physics but you still get some of the "fun" of a dogfight; "orbits" are only for "parking," whereas in modern and PMT scenarios, orbits are going to be your regular flight; basically, in FT you've got efficient and powerful enough engines to just always be able to counteract your velocity with little issue. In PMT, it would still be a large concern, but you can start space combat. MT - it'd be prohibitively expensive to engage in anything of the sort.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

This was just the point I was trying to prove.

Thanks guys!

[Imperializt Russia]

If there are any more primary points I should add, by the way, please let me know.

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

Yeah, but North Korea is openly ableist, allegedly preventing families with disabled persons from residing in Pyongyang.

I know that many of you miss the stupid and idiotic questions about the practicality of nuclear everything, and I regret to inform you that my period away from the internet and in the hospital after a surgery has left me time to contemplate the meaning of life the universe and everything, needless to say that did not go well and they are still cleaning peaces of my head off of the wall; however, it left me with the realization that just because something is nuclear does not make it instantly awesome.

On that note I have a question, would it be reasonable to have a mixed civilian and military nuclear program, or should I keep them separate? I ask this because currently I have the military program using a few of my power generating fast breeder reactors for weapons grade plutonium production, and a fair deal of my nuclear engineers in my civilian program are in my military program as well. If this is not a good idea than suggest what would be a good idea please.

Calder Hall, the first commercially operating power plant in the world, was closely tied with the British nuclear programme.

Being unable to secure weapons technology or even information from the US, the British embarked on the Windscale air-cooled piles programme to breed plutonium and developed the natural uranium-fuelled Magnox reactor design, both to produce military-use plutonium. Early Cold War Britain is pretty much the definition of "civil-military" nuclear, except possibly the Russians.

[Allanea]

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

Israel does not conscript the physically disabled, but under law they cannot be prevented from enlisting if they so choose.

[New Vihenia]

Ah..Babylon 5. brings back some old memories.

One question remains though... Why Sheridan didn't tried to find any means to "replenish" Bioenergy given by Lorien.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Let's talk about small, light vehicles. The kind you can internal carry and airdrop from pretty much anything. Which ones you use and why. Which you feel has a place in a military and which doesn't.

• jeeps, Defenders, G-Klasse's
• internally transportable vehicles, flyers, growlers, S-ATV, all that jazz
• ubertacticool specops glorified jeep-buggies, HDT Storms, etc.
• ATVs - MRZR, etc.
• Quads
• Motorbikes
• Bikes
• Misc

????

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Ah..Babylon 5. brings back some old memories.

One question remains though... Why Sheridan didn't tried to find any means to "replenish" Bioenergy given by Lorien.

I watched that in is entirety.

God do I miss those old TV shows.