NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

A nice niche in my military would be to have internally transportable vehicles for not-NH90 (am using it as a battlefield chopper) . Motorbikes and quads will surely fit, am wondering about MRZR-type stuff.

An old school jeep would probably fit too but that would be boring.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Let's talk about small, light vehicles. The kind you can internal carry and airdrop from pretty much anything. Which ones you use and why. Which you feel has a place in a military and which doesn't.

• jeeps, Defenders, G-Klasse's
• internally transportable vehicles, flyers, growlers, S-ATV, all that jazz
• ubertacticool specops glorified jeep-buggies, HDT Storms, etc.
• ATVs - MRZR, etc.
• Quads
• Motorbikes
• Bikes
• Misc

????

[Padnak]

Oh man, all this talk of organizational structures and here's me with my strange home grown one

The Padnaki military uses a mix of conventional soviet styled divisions and light infantry divisions/regiments. The Padnaki army's armored and mechanized divisions are soviet styled armored and motor rifle divisions respectively, while its light and motorized infantry divisions and regiments are homebrewed.

Light infantry divisions contain 22,000 troops and are commanded by a senior colonel or equivalent (major general, etc). Light infantry divisions are made up of 38 light infantry battalions (the divisions main combat formation), 5 tank battalions (or more depending on the division) 6 artillery battalions and a recon battalion + supporting elements (supply battalions, staff units etc). A light infantry battalion (LIB) is made up 400 troops and is capable of limited independent operations. LIBs have a fairly sizable unit tail that allows them to conduct some independent operations and occasionally will have a tank platoon attached to them. Light infantry are expected to fight on foot and are transported to and from battle in trucks, which greatly reduces the unit fuel tail and augments the number of trucks able to carry supplies. Generally light infantry divisions are permanently based in an area and are responsible for keeping the area under junta control, so they are rarely involved in offensive action on a divisional scale and can rely on established depots and support units for supply and support.

Independent regiments, mostly enlarged soviet styled operations, are the military's main offensive combat formation. Independent regiments organized like this but with a few changes. An additional motor rifle battalion (in Padnak called Motorized/mechanized infantry depending on if they have APCs or IFVs and or wheeled or tracked vehicles) has been added and the supply tail has been almost doubled in size to compensate for the unit being independent. The regimental field artillery section has been enlarged and now includes 12 guns. The commandants service (in Padnak known as rear area forces) has been enlarged.

During operations independent regiments are supposed to use their more heavily equipped forces to conduct the bulk of the combat while drawing on the support of light infantry divisions. Most Padnaki military strategy is concentrated around small units trying to accomplish limited objectives without allot of high level direction. Small units are thought to be more effective in the jungle where they can more easily react to rapidly changing battles and can more easily maneuver without dragging huge amounts of support personnel along with them like they would be if operations were carried out with large scale units. Communication between units is vital as should be apparent. The focus on the battalion is a bit of a leftover from pre-military modernization Padnak when the battalion was about as large as a unit could get and still feasibly acquire most of its own non-military supplies (food, construction materials etc) locally.

I know my whole thing has some flaws, but I tried to make something a little interesting and I think it turned out ok, thoughts and constructive criticism needed

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[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Oh man, all this talk of organizational structures and here's me with my strange home grown one

The Padnaki military uses a mix of conventional soviet styled divisions and light infantry divisions/regiments. The Padnaki army's armored and mechanized divisions are soviet styled armored and motor rifle divisions respectively, while its light and motorized infantry divisions and regiments are homebrewed.

Light infantry divisions contain 22,000 troops and are commanded by a senior colonel or equivalent (major general, etc). Light infantry divisions are made up of 38 light infantry battalions (the divisions main combat formation), 5 tank battalions (or more depending on the division) 6 artillery battalions and a recon battalion + supporting elements (supply battalions, staff units etc). A light infantry battalion (LIB) is made up 400 troops and is capable of limited independent operations. LIBs have a fairly sizable unit tail that allows them to conduct some independent operations and occasionally will have a tank platoon attached to them. Light infantry are expected to fight on foot and are transported to and from battle in trucks, which greatly reduces the unit fuel tail and augments the number of trucks able to carry supplies. Generally light infantry divisions are permanently based in an area and are responsible for keeping the area under junta control, so they are rarely involved in offensive action on a divisional scale and can rely on established depots and support units for supply and support.

Independent regiments, mostly enlarged soviet styled operations, are the military's main offensive combat formation. Independent regiments organized like this but with a few changes. An additional motor rifle battalion (in Padnak called Motorized/mechanized infantry depending on if they have APCs or IFVs and or wheeled or tracked vehicles) has been added and the supply tail has been almost doubled in size to compensate for the unit being independent. The regimental field artillery section has been enlarged and now includes 12 guns. The commandants service (in Padnak known as rear area forces) has been enlarged.

During operations independent regiments are supposed to use their more heavily equipped forces to conduct the bulk of the combat while drawing on the support of light infantry divisions. Most Padnaki military strategy is concentrated around small units trying to accomplish limited objectives without allot of high level direction. Small units are thought to be more effective in the jungle where they can more easily react to rapidly changing battles and can more easily maneuver without dragging huge amounts of support personnel along with them like they would be if operations were carried out with large scale units. Communication between units is vital as should be apparent. The focus on the battalion is a bit of a leftover from pre-military modernization Padnak when the battalion was about as large as a unit could get and still feasibly acquire most of its own non-military supplies (food, construction materials etc) locally.

I know my whole thing has some flaws, but I tried to make something a little interesting and I think it turned out ok, thoughts and constructive criticism needed

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me too *brofist*

edit: sounds good. other than LI divisions making sense only administratively (which is probably intentional anyway), it's good.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

if anyone has information on the ITV contender "Rae-Beck automotive" plz sauce

[Purpelia]

Here is a quick question. How would you rate the following concept?

Delta shaped stealth UAV designed to perform the same role as the Predator. To be introduced in mid 2015. The idea I have with these is that in case of war they could be used for recon and SEAD but also sent in to harass enemy troops well behind their lines and in places where it's far too dangerous for manned aircraft. In the later role they don't have to do too much damage, just exist and thus force the enemy to devote troops to securing against them.

[Padnak]

edit: sounds good. other than LI divisions making sense only administratively (which is probably intentional anyway), it's good.

They're mostly administrative yeah

[Korva]

Korva uses BCT's organized under regional divisions and translated into bad french cause I'm too lazy to be original.

[Alien Space Bats]

Ballistic trajectories can be computed by a high school student with a calculator and some stationery.

Well, no, actually, they can't. For (most) bombs or low-flying rockets, or artillery below 8" (i.e., 200mm) or so, sure. But for rockets and large naval guns, forget it: Because of the changes in atmospheric pressure at high altitudes (and the corresponding changes those differential pressures produce when it comes to drag), the classical ballistic equation doesn't work. Instead, there's this nasty beast of an equation with a dozen coefficients and a shitload of variables, and it involves double integrals to boot. I usd to have it in a book on rocketry, and it made my eyes bleed just looking at it.

Nor, seriously: Computing a Von Hohmann trajectory to Mars (and back) is a fuckload easier than figuring out where a 16" shell will land. Turst me on this.

[Purpelia]

Ballistic trajectories can be computed by a high school student with a calculator and some stationery.

Well, no, actually, they can't. For (most) bombs or low-flying rockets, or artillery below 8" (i.e., 200mm) or so, sure. But for rockets and large naval guns, forget it: Because of the changes in atmospheric pressure at high altitudes (and the corresponding changes those differential pressures produce when it comes to drag), the classical ballistic equation doesn't work. Instead, there's this nasty beast of an equation with a dozen coefficients and a shitload of variables, and it involves double integrals to boot. I usd to have it in a book on rocketry, and it made my eyes bleed just looking at it.

Nor, seriously: Computing a Von Hohmann trajectory to Mars (and back) is a fuckload easier than figuring out where a 16" shell will land. Turst me on this.

I have no doubt that the equation is large and difficult. But I am mildly amused at the idea that you listed double integrals as something to note. As if it was difficult to solve those.

[Alien Space Bats]

Because it's a cheap, sustained fire that could match a cruise missile strike, while retaining buck per shot. I could use it against fortresses, large formations, etc., and a ballistic missile could be easily shot down.

Only if you put it on the Moon, where you can use solar power to run it and throw big buckets of lunar regolith down a steep gravity well for near-nuclear effect.

[Alien Space Bats]

But even with 500 million people you shouldn't need 8-Star-Generals of the Honour Guard.^^

C'mon... who DOESN'T want OF-13s running around?!? The looniness is worth it, people!

[Alien Space Bats]

I'm noting a disturbing lack of inept 25-star generals.

In FT, 25-Star Generals are mandatory.

Or do we start having them wear galaxies on their shoulder boards?

[Alien Space Bats]

But I am mildly amused at the idea that you listed double integrals as something to note. As if it was difficult to solve those.

My degree was in economics; if I need more than a single integral, I'm probably doing it wrong.

[Purpelia]

But I am mildly amused at the idea that you listed double integrals as something to note. As if it was difficult to solve those.

My degree was in economics; if I need more than a single integral, I'm probably doing it wrong.

You should take a look at some of the stuff I have to do... I think your eyes would bleed as much as mine do. By the way, how do you make the bleeding stop?

[The Kievan People]

Oh man, all this talk of organizational structures and here's me with my strange home grown one

The Padnaki military uses a mix of conventional soviet styled divisions and light infantry divisions/regiments. The Padnaki army's armored and mechanized divisions are soviet styled armored and motor rifle divisions respectively, while its light and motorized infantry divisions and regiments are homebrewed.

Light infantry divisions contain 22,000 troops and are commanded by a senior colonel or equivalent (major general, etc). Light infantry divisions are made up of 38 light infantry battalions (the divisions main combat formation), 5 tank battalions (or more depending on the division) 6 artillery battalions and a recon battalion + supporting elements (supply battalions, staff units etc). A light infantry battalion (LIB) is made up 400 troops and is capable of limited independent operations. LIBs have a fairly sizable unit tail that allows them to conduct some independent operations and occasionally will have a tank platoon attached to them. Light infantry are expected to fight on foot and are transported to and from battle in trucks, which greatly reduces the unit fuel tail and augments the number of trucks able to carry supplies. Generally light infantry divisions are permanently based in an area and are responsible for keeping the area under junta control, so they are rarely involved in offensive action on a divisional scale and can rely on established depots and support units for supply and support.

Independent regiments, mostly enlarged soviet styled operations, are the military's main offensive combat formation. Independent regiments organized like this but with a few changes. An additional motor rifle battalion (in Padnak called Motorized/mechanized infantry depending on if they have APCs or IFVs and or wheeled or tracked vehicles) has been added and the supply tail has been almost doubled in size to compensate for the unit being independent. The regimental field artillery section has been enlarged and now includes 12 guns. The commandants service (in Padnak known as rear area forces) has been enlarged.

During operations independent regiments are supposed to use their more heavily equipped forces to conduct the bulk of the combat while drawing on the support of light infantry divisions. Most Padnaki military strategy is concentrated around small units trying to accomplish limited objectives without allot of high level direction. Small units are thought to be more effective in the jungle where they can more easily react to rapidly changing battles and can more easily maneuver without dragging huge amounts of support personnel along with them like they would be if operations were carried out with large scale units. Communication between units is vital as should be apparent. The focus on the battalion is a bit of a leftover from pre-military modernization Padnak when the battalion was about as large as a unit could get and still feasibly acquire most of its own non-military supplies (food, construction materials etc) locally.

I know my whole thing has some flaws, but I tried to make something a little interesting and I think it turned out ok, thoughts and constructive criticism needed

http://tinyurl.com/p43d9fh

FM100-60s lesser known cousin FM100-63 is a good place to mine for ideas. It doesn't reflect any real military but it is an attempt to create a template for an Iraq/Serbia style third world state with an infantry heavy army organized along Soviet lines.

[Alien Space Bats]

You should take a look at some of the stuff I have to do... I think your eyes would bleed as much as mine do. By the way, how do you make the bleeding stop?

Squeeze the heels of your palms against your eyes, the same way you used to have to do when coding in assembly language.

[Purpelia]

You should take a look at some of the stuff I have to do... I think your eyes would bleed as much as mine do. By the way, how do you make the bleeding stop?

Squeeze the heels of your palms against your eyes, the same way you used to have to do when coding in assembly language.

... You are aware that I actually enjoy using x86 Assembly?

[The Kievan People]

If there are any more primary points I should add, by the way, please let me know.

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

[Roski]

If there are any more primary points I should add, by the way, please let me know.

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

Depends on how disabled they are, I suppose.

[The United Remnants of America]

Is there really any point in conscripting people who obviously cannot fill a military role? Even North Korea exempts the disabled.

Depends on how disabled they are, I suppose.

I'm left-handed. Does that count?

[Roski]

Depends on how disabled they are, I suppose.

I'm left-handed. Does that count?

That's not a disability silly goose

[Spirit of Hope]

But I am mildly amused at the idea that you listed double integrals as something to note. As if it was difficult to solve those.

My degree was in economics; if I need more than a single integral, I'm probably doing it wrong.

But triple integrals are fun! All those magnetic and electric fields buzzing in the air just make me so happy.

But even with 500 million people you shouldn't need 8-Star-Generals of the Honour Guard.^^

C'mon... who DOESN'T want OF-13s running around?!? The looniness is worth it, people!

I already have an Emperor, who has no political power while at the same time being completely above the law. He does for when I want something insane to happen.

So question; is the following feasible IRL? I might be enlisted but shit, hell if I know politics.

Looks well thought out. Though i have a couple of questions/comments.
1) Why recruit/conscript the disabled, nothing against them but they generally aren't fit for military service, or any other service that you listed.
2) Are military conscripts in a base for the two years? The way you have it worded currently makes it look like they are still civilians but have to show up for training once every two months.
3) I don't know it it is really worth it to use conscripts as emergency service personnel. Not necessarily bad, just unsure about how well it would work out.

[The United Remnants of America]

I'm left-handed. Does that count?

That's not a disability silly goose

I mean, I can draw a check for it, if I apply for disability.

[The Kievan People]

Is the reason that a brigade would cover approximately the same area as a division to do with improvements in capability - reconnaissance elements, communications, fire support and its direction - etc? It stands to reason this is almost a significant loss of firepower and capability, as we're concentrating about half to a third the arms and supporting arms in an area not much smaller, even with enhanced capabilities.

It does. But it also reduces its vulnerability to the same things.

A simple analogy would be the infantry tactics in the first phase of WWI. Soldiers marching shoulder across open fields could lay down a staggering amount of rifle fire, but they were in return catastrophically vulnerable to enemy fire. When the infantry began to dig in and spread out it lost a fair bit of that power but became far less vulnerable in exchange. New technology (machine gun, indirect fire) made the issue moot in any event as the loss of rifle power was more than made good for by MG and shell power.