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Auroya
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Postby Auroya » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:42 pm

North Arkana wrote:I might... I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with a nations named Heco.


Oh, you do not want to play with people like that.
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:44 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I posted this on NSD in the hope of sparking a touch of debate - a debate on semiconductor physics. Or applications. Or such.

It's a little too specialist really, especially given how low-activity it is at the moment, so I figured I'd port it here to see if anyone has any particular opinions.

1) one of the doctors at my university is waiting for the outcome of a European Union research grant into nitride-based semiconductors. I intend to ask him at some point about his research and what he hopes to get out of this study, but when it was explained before it was essentially that many semiconductor materials have been discovered "by accident" in his words, and that nitride-based rare-earth semiconductors (which potentially have a low environmental impact and good properties) are relatively unexplored.
I was wondering if anyone on NSD had any real opinions into novel semiconductor technologies.


Gallium nitride has been increasingly popular for applications such as radar T/R modules since they allow much greater power levels with less waste heat, potentially allowing for significant increases in radar range within a given installation.

2) as many of you may or may not recall, I roleplay as a post-Soviet alternate history Russia which is more of a trope than an "alt-history". However I'd like to play it more true to role. I've played it before as a weird sort of "enlightened" country that westernised heavily after the fall of the Soviets, in its politics, its economy and its technology. In typical :ns: fashion, it quickly became more technologically advanced than the US today, by about 2000.
Obviously that level of change from the days of the Soviets is ludicrous, but how much might it take for a country with Russia's prior level of technological advancement, particularly in the area of semiconductors, to get to a level nearer that of the US? How possible could it be?
What factors could be nuanced to influence their development nearer to American and western concepts?


In the short run, importing as much technology as you can get your hands on. Probably send people to try to study or intern at those other countries as well. Some kind of government investment in the sector would be helpful. The goal is to not fall into the "copying" trap, since while it lets you close large technological gaps, it doesn't quite foster the mindset needed to actually develop new technologies if the establishment is too used to just grabbing someone else's work and copying it. Alternatively, you could also get them to just give you technology by offering low labor costs and a reasonably skilled labor force, as China and Taiwan have done to get a ton of semconductor foundries built by American companies to supply their needs.

Gallium's still a very commonly used material, so I'm not entirely surprised. The talk he gave to us (basically a test-run of his actual proposal talk, to teach us about presenting to a scientific specialist audience) was suggesting moving well away from traditional materials to things noted as having semiconductor properties but not well explored.

A couple of the materials he suggested were Zinc and Tin compounds, both nitrides.
Though supposedly, China has one mine complex in Bayan that produces a half of today's rare earth metal production, so the supposed availability and cost of these seems a little questionable.
It's more than worth noting that his intended direction for these semiconductors are for use in massively expanding PV cell production, rather than necessarily power or computing applications.

wrt home production, I figured that'd be the easiest way to get in on there. I was about to bring up the issue China may have gotten itself into before you mentioned it.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:44 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Roski wrote:
Sounds like you need to leave that RP

I might... I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with a nations named Heco.

Just ask him how many missiles he can intercept. Than fire one more. And be so kind as to point out that due to coverage issues he has to pay many times more for the ability to intercept one of your missiles than you do for the cost of making said weapon.
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:48 pm

Purpelia wrote:
North Arkana wrote:I might... I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with a nations named Heco.

Just ask him how many missiles he can intercept. Than fire one more. And be so kind as to point out that due to coverage issues he has to pay many times more for the ability to intercept one of your missiles than you do for the cost of making said weapon.

And there's the hilarious fact that the 10% ($7,405,697,605,187.47) of my budget that I spend on my military is only a little over 1 Trillion NSD less than the 41% ($8,596,221,734,040.9) of his budget he spends on his military. There's a motto I live by in NS RP, "Budgets can easily be adjusted for RP purposes, populations are harder."
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:55 pm

Aelarus wrote:I fee like crying about dead tech the US doesn't use because of the collapse of Mr. Red.

First:
Liquid propellant for tank cannons. Yes? No?
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It has proven too difficult to control the burning of LP in practice. At best there are large variations in muzzle velocity that make the gun inaccurate, at worst the gun randomly explodes.
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Postby Nachmere » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:59 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Aelarus wrote:I fee like crying about dead tech the US doesn't use because of the collapse of Mr. Red.

First:
Liquid propellant for tank cannons. Yes? No?
Great file for reference.


It has proven too difficult to control the burning of LP in practice. At best there are large variations in muzzle velocity that make the gun inaccurate, at worst the gun randomly explodes.


Meh, i still have one on my tank. Hip hip hurray for hand wavium.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:13 pm

Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?
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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:42 pm

Aelarus wrote:I fee like crying about dead tech the US doesn't use because of the collapse of Mr. Red.

First:
Liquid propellant for tank cannons. Yes? No?
Great file for reference.


I was goofing around with liquid propellant for cased rifle/MG ammunition once.
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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:43 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?


[screams internally]
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New Vihenia
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Postby New Vihenia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:04 pm

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U dun like massive things :p ?
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Postby Crookfur » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:06 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?

Does it feel right for the kind of RPs you take part in? Have you done any sums to help convince yourself that its roughly right? If the answer to both is yes then it's probably fine for your purposes.
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Postby Roski » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:06 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Roski wrote:
Sounds like you need to leave that RP

I might... I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with a nations named Heco.


The only way to beat glorius lord Heco is by hundreds of cluster nuclear strikes, even though he has hyperinflated his economy into oblivion.
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Postby Crookfur » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:07 pm

New Vihenia wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:[screams internally]


U dun like massive things :p ?

Well there was that one time in Bangkok that kiev doesn't like to talk about which might explain things...
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Postby The Kievan People » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:08 pm

New Vihenia wrote:U dun like massive things :p ?


I felt the need to be consistent
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Postby Gallan Systems » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:08 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?


[screams internally]


we wouldnt be able to hear you anyway

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Postby Eastern Slavia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:11 pm

wasnt that the norm in like 2008-ish >.>
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:11 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?


[screams internally]

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:43 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?


[screams internally]

That's tiny. Freestian one is 90,000, IIRC.
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Postby Padnak » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:45 pm

Padnak has like 80 ships

and 9000 boghammers
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:49 pm

Roski wrote:
North Arkana wrote:I might... I'm wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with a nations named Heco.


The only way to beat glorius lord Heco is by hundreds of cluster nuclear strikes, even though he has hyperinflated his economy into oblivion.

Meh, nukes are too messy, that's why I prefer NNEMPs.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:36 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Forgot to actually ask.

Speaking within the context of NS scale of economics, resources, manpower, and industrial capabilities; a 9000 ship fleet, too much or just about right?

Depends. What tech level?

If it's PT, maybe.
MT? Lolno. Unless they're all cutters.
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Postby Roski » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:54 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Roski wrote:
The only way to beat glorius lord Heco is by hundreds of cluster nuclear strikes, even though he has hyperinflated his economy into oblivion.

Meh, nukes are too messy, that's why I prefer NNEMPs.


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The Red Star Union
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Postby The Red Star Union » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:55 pm

So I wanna make a new megacarrier design to sell on GE&T, but what is the point where you have so many planes that it is just innefective logistically? And what would the said dimensions be?
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:05 pm

The Red Star Union wrote:So I wanna make a new megacarrier design to sell on GE&T, but what is the point where you have so many planes that it is just ineffective logistically? And what would the said dimensions be?

What is the military use of a megacarrier?

It could probably be heard from miles away dependent on hull design, is a big friggin target that costs a metric shitton or two, and could not be in more than one place at a time. What exactly would be the benifit to a huge carrier over several (2-3) small ones?
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Postby Nachmere » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:14 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:
The Red Star Union wrote:So I wanna make a new megacarrier design to sell on GE&T, but what is the point where you have so many planes that it is just ineffective logistically? And what would the said dimensions be?

What is the military use of a megacarrier?

It could probably be heard from miles away dependent on hull design, is a big friggin target that costs a metric shitton or two, and could not be in more than one place at a time. What exactly would be the benifit to a huge carrier over several (2-3) small ones?



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