NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Gallan Systems]

The difficulty lies in making them sufficiently accurate to account for the smaller kill radius.



Depends on the target. IRL ships are generally much better protected against missile attack than torpedo attack, especially if that torpedo is wake homing and can't be seduced by acoustic decoys. Of course, torpedoes require the submarine to get much closer to the target than missiles, which increases the chance of detection.

Would it be practical to bring torpedoes to their target by cruise missile?

The torpedo would travel near the target on a cruise missile and then it would enter the water out of the range of CIWS and travel the rest of the way to the target in the water.

CIWS isn't a principal ship defence against missiles, but since you aren't hitting it with a missile you don't have to deal with the most fearsome of defences that warships have against rockets (loud noises).

It would be infinitely better to just drive up to a ship and shoot it with torpedoes. They probably won't hear you until you fire anyway.

[Purpelia]

Which AA missile is better, the IRIS-T or modern variants of the R-73?
And yes, I am actually asking to see if anyone has researched the topic and found anything worthwhile that can't be found on a cursory search of the net.

Basically I want to see which is the best short range IR off boresight missile that isn't american.

[New Vihenia]

Would it be practical to bring torpedoes to their target by cruise missile?

The torpedo would travel near the target on a cruise missile and then it would enter the water out of the range of CIWS and travel the rest of the way to the target in the water.

This is very practical.

Granted that all examples seen today are carrying anti-submarine torpedo (SUBROC, Ikara, Metel and Klub) Nonetheless i don't see why anti ship torpedo can't be carried... Sometime ago i got idea for 3M54 Klub missile of my own with anti ship torpedo payload.

Which AA missile is better, the IRIS-T or modern variants of the R-73?
And yes, I am actually asking to see if anyone has researched the topic and found anything worthwhile that can't be found on a cursory search of the net.

Basically I want to see which is the best short range IR off boresight missile that isn't american.

Technologically, IRIS-T is superior because of its FPA imaging seeker, it'll offer better resistance to countermeasure. Maneuver performance and motor rocket capability however is likely similar.

[Purpelia]

Technologically, IRIS-T is superior because of its FPA imaging seeker, it'll offer better resistance to countermeasure. Maneuver performance and motor rocket capability however is likely similar.

Thanks. I'll use the IRIS-T than. Speaking of missiles, how do you feel about the MICA?

[Questers]

Markmen also have to take into account physics, as well as every form of military exercise, you need to be able to work in a way that is within physics.

if the range of artillery is limited by physics, then why has the range of artillery increased exponentially? does natural science just change as time goes along in your world?

[Questers]

That doesn't mean I can't still try to make the hardware as realistic as possible. Which is really all I was asking about anyway.

I think this is an interesting point of view. It sure is true that you can have realistic hardware in unrealistic situation. My question though is why. If you don't care about the realism for the situation then why do you care about the realism for the hardware? It's not a criticism or anything - I am genuinely interested what your thought process is.

[Nachmere]

That doesn't mean I can't still try to make the hardware as realistic as possible. Which is really all I was asking about anyway.

I think this is an interesting point of view. It sure is true that you can have realistic hardware in unrealistic situation. My question though is why. If you don't care about the realism for the situation then why do you care about the realism for the hardware? It's not a criticism or anything - I am genuinely interested what your thought process is.

This is essentially true for every "NS realism" ever though(specifically NS-MT). People including me (and I am p. sure you 2 no?) spent days weeks and more writing up products and explaining how they could work in RL if only we had some technologies slightly more mature, but at the same time were perfectly happy with having a hige planet with nations the size of the entire earth.

[Questers]

I think this is an interesting point of view. It sure is true that you can have realistic hardware in unrealistic situation. My question though is why. If you don't care about the realism for the situation then why do you care about the realism for the hardware? It's not a criticism or anything - I am genuinely interested what your thought process is.

This is essentially true for every "NS realism" ever though(specifically NS-MT). People including me (and I am p. sure you 2 no?) spent days weeks and more writing up products and explaining how they could work in RL if only we had some technologies slightly more mature, but at the same time were perfectly happy with having a hige planet with nations the size of the entire earth.

yes, that is true, but a lot of people have now transitioned to artifically smaller roleplay contexts. and to be honest, we were never that realistic. I mean, most of the old time designs would be blasted if they were put up now. a lot of them were arms race wank

[Gallan Systems]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=gall ... /id=341349

realism overwhleming

pions in ur face

muh gamma rays

muh melting

ughhhhhhh

[Nachmere]

This is essentially true for every "NS realism" ever though(specifically NS-MT). People including me (and I am p. sure you 2 no?) spent days weeks and more writing up products and explaining how they could work in RL if only we had some technologies slightly more mature, but at the same time were perfectly happy with having a hige planet with nations the size of the entire earth.

yes, that is true, but a lot of people have now transitioned to artifically smaller roleplay contexts. and to be honest, we were never that realistic. I mean, most of the old time designs would be blasted if they were put up now. a lot of them were arms race wank

And tbh I am not sure what is more FUN(yeah RPing is about fun). Although this is getting wildly offtopic. BTW hi mate how are you?:)

[Korva]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=gallan_systems/detail=factbook/id=341349

realism overwhleming

pions in ur face

muh gamma rays

muh melting

ughhhhhhh

Perspective is really neat.

Read through your factbook, suicide would be preferable to figuring out personal jurisdiction in a common law confederacy on a multi-planetary scale.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

f-117 useful/weapons load anyone?

[Inyourfaceistan]

f-117 useful/weapons load anyone?

2 JDAM bombs...

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

f-117 useful/weapons load anyone?

2 JDAM bombs...

im talking weight

[Tule]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=gallan_systems/detail=factbook/id=341349

realism overwhleming

pions in ur face

muh gamma rays

muh melting

ughhhhhhh

I'm a little concerned about maneuverability. Those radiators look like they could be susceptible to solar crosswind, and I see no maneuvering thrusters.

It's cool though.

[Mitheldalond]

Is the F-20 Tigershark big enough to fit the radar from an F-16 or F-18?

Does it even need a radar upgrade?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Is the F-20 Tigershark big enough to fit the radar from an F-16 or F-18?

Does it even need a radar upgrade?

y u no hal tejas?

[Gawdzendia]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=gallan_systems/detail=factbook/id=341349

realism overwhleming

pions in ur face

muh gamma rays

muh melting

ughhhhhhh

Delicious Gallan spacecraft is delicious. Out of interest, what year was this thing designed in? Has a kinda late-PMT aesthetic to it.

Another curiosity (this time my own), Railgun launched / assisted Shcramjets. Feasible, absurd, or feasible with absurd amounts of cash money.

[Tule]

Is the F-20 Tigershark big enough to fit the radar from an F-16 or F-18?

Does it even need a radar upgrade?

The radar it has is fine.

[Nachmere]

Is the F-20 Tigershark big enough to fit the radar from an F-16 or F-18?

Does it even need a radar upgrade?

The radar it has is fine.

was it not basically a match up for the radar on the contemporary F-16s?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Is the F-20 Tigershark big enough to fit the radar from an F-16 or F-18?

Does it even need a radar upgrade?

The radar it has is fine.

y u no FA-50?

Supposedly F-50 is planned, to feature AESA, 3 pylons per wing, and a bunch of other stuff.

[Valburn]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=gallan_systems/detail=factbook/id=341349

realism overwhleming

pions in ur face

muh gamma rays

muh melting

ughhhhhhh

Delicious Gallan spacecraft is delicious. Out of interest, what year was this thing designed in? Has a kinda late-PMT aesthetic to it.

Another curiosity (this time my own), Railgun launched / assisted Shcramjets. Feasible, absurd, or feasible with absurd amounts of cash money.

If you assume working scramjets then somewhat feasible. Nasa did some studies into a system of that variety. I believe atomic rockets has some more information on the subject.

[Rich and Corporations]

It is hard to take seriously your claim that you are trying to avoid wank when your navy is so bloody huge.

Is what I'm saying.

it's not wank when you have 10,000 canoes.

This is essentially true for every "NS realism" ever though(specifically NS-MT). People including me (and I am p. sure you 2 no?) spent days weeks and more writing up products and explaining how they could work in RL if only we had some technologies slightly more mature, but at the same time were perfectly happy with having a hige planet with nations the size of the entire earth.

interestingly, with economies 100x larger than planet earth, what qualifies as research projects in RL would be full-scale projects in NS. Quantum computers exist in RL, but only as 10 Qubit computers. In NS, an equivalent computer would likely have 10,000 Qubits, and would thus be able to crack cryptographic codes.

Additionally, defence firms can be self-funding due to the extensive profits they make.

if the range of artillery is limited by physics, then why has the range of artillery increased exponentially? does natural science just change as time goes along in your world?

clearly yes, in order for populations to essentially double every five years without mass starvation

[Britinthia]

What is the purpose of one nation having more than one special forces unit? E.g. SAS and SBS, Delta Force and Navy Seals.
Surely all their roles could be combined into a single unit? In our cash strapped world this seems more logical than ever. Unless of course it is beneficial to operate a number of more specialist units. But in that case why do, according to media reports, they seem to all do the same sort of stuff.

[Immoren]

What is the purpose of one nation having more than one special forces unit? E.g. SAS and SBS, Delta Force and Navy Seals.
Surely all their roles could be combined into a single unit? In our cash strapped world this seems more logical than ever. Unless of course it is beneficial to operate a number of more specialist units. But in that case why do, according to media reports, they seem to all do the same sort of stuff.

Every branch wants their own special guys.