Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Chebucto Provinces]

When I ship armoured vehicles by rail, can I just leave the crews inside or do I have to move them separately? I don't see why I couldn't just have the crews hang out in their vehicles while the trains moving

Rail movement takes so long often the vehicle crews are moved well after the vehicles have gone. Any transit where you can leave your crews in the vehicle will be better served by trucks anyway. Plus it's dangerous to have your crews in the vehicle during transit like that because accidents do happen.

It's overall better to have your crew load the vehicles, transit ahead to the unload point, then prepare to unload. That way when the tanks arrive they are ready.

Modern tank transporter trucks tend to have sufficient seating for the crew in the truck so they just ride along.

[Purpelia]

When I ship armoured vehicles by rail, can I just leave the crews inside or do I have to move them separately? I don't see why I couldn't just have the crews hang out in their vehicles while the trains moving

How far is the move? How long are you travelling?

If it's only an hour or two, then sure. Leave 'em in the AFVs. Otherwise, a crew carriage doesn't weigh a hell of a lot, plus your crew can unwind and relax for a bit.

Not even than. It does not matter how far you move. Trains are big obvious targets for sabotage and air attack. And whilst tanks are easyish to replace experienced crews are not.

[Erusuia]

Not even than. It does not matter how far you move. Trains are big obvious targets for sabotage and air attack. And whilst tanks are easyish to replace experienced crews are not.

Even during peace time? I'm thinking more so about moving AFVs and their crews between exercise areas and that sort of thing

[The Akasha Colony]

Not even than. It does not matter how far you move. Trains are big obvious targets for sabotage and air attack. And whilst tanks are easyish to replace experienced crews are not.

Even during peace time? I'm thinking more so about moving AFVs and their crews between exercise areas and that sort of thing

If you're mounting up on railcars that means you're traveling long distance, longer than you want your crews stuck in their tanks without access to a toilet or other facilities. Tanks aren't terribly spacious, although it depends on design.

If you're traveling a shorter distance, that's what road-mobile tank transporters are for and the crew can just join the truck driver in the cab.

If you're on the exercise area, then you just drive the tank itself and call that practice.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Not even than. It does not matter how far you move. Trains are big obvious targets for sabotage and air attack. And whilst tanks are easyish to replace experienced crews are not.

Even during peace time? I'm thinking more so about moving AFVs and their crews between exercise areas and that sort of thing

Why keep them in their AFV's. Let them sit around and relax in a passenger car instead of being crammed into a vehicle because command are assholes.

[Lydenburg]

Even during peace time? I'm thinking more so about moving AFVs and their crews between exercise areas and that sort of thing

Why keep them in their AFV's. Let them sit around and relax in a passenger car instead of being crammed into a vehicle because command are assholes.

Maybe we should go Soviet on this one. Build a certain make and model of passenger car specifically for military use.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Why keep them in their AFV's. Let them sit around and relax in a passenger car instead of being crammed into a vehicle because command are assholes.

Maybe we should go Soviet on this one. Build a certain make and model of passenger car specifically for military use.

You could, better than forcing your tank crews to sit inside their cramped vehicle for a few hours just because.

[Erusuia]

Could always use some cattle cars...

In all seriousness, I'll use some passenger cars and be done with it

[Korva]

Could always use some cattle cars...

In all seriousness, I'll use some passenger cars and be done with it

Thing is you don't always want to put the crew on the train (even in a passenger car) with the tank.

"Shipping and handling" can take awhile and you could easily just fly or drive the crews to their destination days ahead of the tanks.

[Yukonastan]

Could always use some cattle cars...

In all seriousness, I'll use some passenger cars and be done with it

What, are you shipping that many tanks?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Even during peace time? I'm thinking more so about moving AFVs and their crews between exercise areas and that sort of thing

Why keep them in their AFV's. Let them sit around and relax in a passenger car instead of being crammed into a vehicle because command are assholes.

Only exception I can think of is air-assault. And that's only if you're a crazy Russian.

[Padnak]

Why keep them in their AFV's. Let them sit around and relax in a passenger car instead of being crammed into a vehicle because command are assholes.

Only exception I can think of is air-assault. And that's only if you're a crazy Russian.

Real Men® would ride on top of their vehicles

[Lydenburg]

Only exception I can think of is air-assault. And that's only if you're a crazy Russian.

Real Men® would ride on top of their vehicles

Ah, the extra set of eyes on an unbuttoned troopie.

The poor man's response to RPGs.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Exercise areas will have a contingent of vehicles themselves. You only need to ship extra tanks in if you don't have enough. Remember it is cheaper to leave X amount of tanks at the training depot then constantly shift other units tanks to that area. So your crews will just take the train to the base and use the depot tanks, leaving their tanks at base. Its quicker, cheaper, and way easier.

[Korva]

Exercise areas will have a contingent of vehicles themselves. You only need to ship extra tanks in if you don't have enough. Remember it is cheaper to leave X amount of tanks at the training depot then constantly shift other units tanks to that area. So your crews will just take the train to the base and use the depot tanks, leaving their tanks at base. Its quicker, cheaper, and way easier.

Not really related but did you ever decide on your nation's tank force?

[Chebucto Provinces]

Exercise areas will have a contingent of vehicles themselves. You only need to ship extra tanks in if you don't have enough. Remember it is cheaper to leave X amount of tanks at the training depot then constantly shift other units tanks to that area. So your crews will just take the train to the base and use the depot tanks, leaving their tanks at base. Its quicker, cheaper, and way easier.

Not really related but did you ever decide on your nation's tank force?

Nope.
At various points today I have moved between upgraded Centurions, Leopard 1s, and Leopard 2s. I think I may just have to use all three.

When I drive my wife crazy with this stuff she keeps telling me to embrace the fantasy and create my own tank. Which I am also considering.

[Gallia-]

The 1950's.

Anyway, DASH DOT cannot acquire small targets... targets that are only 25mm in diameter like 120mm APFSDS, shaped charges however have a larger radar return.

Dash-Dot didn't use radar.

[Korva]

Ahhh, I ask because I was flipping through an old book and was reminded of the Gilded Leopard which in turn reminded me of your proposed upgrades.

[The Kievan People]

When I drive my wife crazy with this stuff she keeps telling me to embrace the fantasy and create my own tank. Which I am also considering.

Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can have the tank you desire.

[Freihafen]

Could anyone provide more details on DASH DOT?

[Rich and Corporations]

www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA47634 <-- Critical Technology Events of the Abrams Main Battle Tank... or basically the history of it's design.

Dash-Dot didn't use radar.

Okay, the cameras wouldn't be able to spot small targets.

Could always use some cattle cars...

In all seriousness, I'll use some passenger cars and be done with it

Thing is you don't always want to put the crew on the train (even in a passenger car) with the tank.

"Shipping and handling" can take awhile and you could easily just fly or drive the crews to their destination days ahead of the tanks.

The US ships tanks years before the crews, as part of the prepositioned stocks in Norway, Germany, and the Middle East.

[Gallia-]

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA47634 <-- Critical Technology Events of the Abrams Main Battle Tank... or basically the history of it's design.

Dash-Dot didn't use radar.

Okay, the cameras wouldn't be able to spot small targets.

Why not? Works fine for AMAP-ADS.

[Freihafen]

Surely if there's anything IR cameras would have difficulty detecting, it would be unpowered munitions?

Edit: AMAP-ADS is claimed to be capable of intercepting KEPs, anyway, which are both unpowered and relatively small...

[Gallia-]

Surely if there's anything IR cameras would have difficulty detecting, it would be unpowered munitions?

All munitions are unpowered when they hit tanks, so why would they?

[Freihafen]

APSes seek to detect and intercept incoming munitions before they hit the tank, no?