Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Bohemia Minor]

What area on the front.

pls tell k.

Anywhere really. Today's missiles will either go in full or not.

[The Akasha Colony]

Most modern Western tanks are pretty close to immune to HEAT missiles on the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.

Again, RPG-29

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

[Bohemia Minor]

Again, RPG-29

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

Maybe not the turret. But seriously that thing supposedly penned a Challenger 2, from the front. Yes, RPGs may not, but there are many other examples.

[The Akasha Colony]

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

Maybe not the turret. But seriously that thing supposedly penned a Challenger 2, from the front. Yes, RPGs may not, but there are many other examples.

It penetrated from the front lower hull. Which is to say, the weakest frontal section of the Challenger 2. And certainly not the place you would hit with an arcing trajectory, given its location and reverse slope. This has absolutely nothing to do with the slope of the armor, nor any "arcing" trajectory.

[San-Silvacian]

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

Maybe not the turret. But seriously that thing supposedly penned a Challenger 2, from the front. Yes, RPGs may not, but there are many other examples.

It hit the lower hull not protected by ERA.

But hey I guess RPG-29 > M1A2/Chally 2/Leo2A6/Leclerc

Lets not look into highly controversial topics and not educate ourselves better! Yay for misinformation!

[Lemanrussland]

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

Maybe not the turret. But seriously that thing supposedly penned a Challenger 2, from the front. Yes, RPGs may not, but there are many other examples.

To be fair, that was a relatively minor penetration. It hit the lower front glacis (where the ERA bricks are) and penetrated slightly into the crew compartment, which injured the driver (lost three toes) and slightly injured the other crew. The tank wasn't destroyed, and was able to make it back to base.

Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.

Most modern Western tanks are pretty close to immune to HEAT missiles on the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.

Not necessarily. A KH-29 to the front would probably kill any Western tank. If you build a big enough bomb or missile, you can defeat any armor or any tank. Portable anti-tank weapons capable of killing the best tanks of the day seem to be getting larger and larger though. That's why we're having to go to things like top attack missiles, because ATGMs capable of killing modern MBTs head on are becoming impractically large for infantry to carry.

[San-Silvacian]

How to beat ATGMs

move
launch smoke
fire back

[Bohemia Minor]

Let's say a WWII era KV-2 shot an Abrams. What effects would it do?

[San-Silvacian]

Let's say a WWII era KV-2 shot an Abrams. What effects would it do?

Gunner's main sight is most likely knocked out.

Commander's sight is most likely knocked out as well.

Drivetrain may be damaged, but nothing serious.

Gunner, who with him and his crew now have a pretty nasty headache, proceed to put a 120mm HEAT round though it and kill it.

[The Akasha Colony]

Not necessarily. A KH-29 to the front would probably kill any Western tank. If you build a big enough bomb or missile, you can defeat any armor or any tank.

That goes without saying, and is hardly exclusive to tanks.

Let's say a WWII era KV-2 shot an Abrams. What effects would it do?

Maybe damage the optics and rattle the crew, if it hits anywhere along the front or side turret. A rear or side hull shot may penetrate depending on range, but most likely not. May also damage anything else exposed.

[Gallia-]

How to beat ATGMs

move
launch smoke
fire back

How to beat Javelin:

see it before it fires
shoot it

[San-Silvacian]

How to beat ATGMs

move
launch smoke
fire back

How to beat Javelin:

see it before it fires
shoot it

even better

infantry attack it before it can even set up

[Lemanrussland]

Let's say a WWII era KV-2 shot an Abrams. What effects would it do?

Most likely scenario: KV-2 shoots and misses, Abrams shoots and destroys the KV-2.

Other likely scenario: Abrams is able to see the KV-2 first and shoots first, destroying the KV-2.

If the KV-2 does score a hit, it won't probably won't penetrate, but will do some damage to things like the sights and perhaps the drive train.

[Bohemia Minor]

Let's say a WWII era KV-2 shot an Abrams. What effects would it do?

Most likely scenario: KV-2 shoots and misses, Abrams shoots and destroys the KV-2.

Other likely scenario: Abrams is able to see the KV-2 first and shoots first, destroying the KV-2.

If the KV-2 does score a hit, it won't probably won't penetrate, but will do some damage to things like the sights and perhaps the drive train.

Tsar Tonk vs Abrams

[Imperializt Russia]

Most modern Western tanks are pretty close to immune to HEAT missiles on the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.

Again, RPG-29...

...will not penetrate the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.

RPG-29 won't get in through the front turret, and even then that's rather irrelevant: RPGs and missiles unless of the dedicated top-attack variety don't "arc," they hit straight on and fly in a straight line.

Maybe not the turret. But seriously that thing supposedly penned a Challenger 2, from the front. Yes, RPGs may not, but there are many other examples.

It struck in what was fundamentally the underside of the tank. It's wholly unsurprising that it did penetrate.
What is surprising is how little damage it caused. It cost the driver a few toes, did not severely damage the engine, other crew members, fuel or munitions stowage and the driver was able to reverse the tank back to safety, missing three of his toes.

[Bratislavskaya]

After seeing this conversation I wonder whether it's worth issuing RPG-29s over RPG-7s or not. Because it would now seem not.

[Kouralia]

After seeing this conversation I wonder whether it's worth issuing RPG-29s over RPG-7s or not. Because it would now seem not.

This is an RPG-29. This is an RPG-7. They're not rly in the same league in terms of 'issue one or the other'

[Bohemia Minor]

Wait, so if I pulled out a Pak 43 L/71 88mm I could go through an Abrams lfp?

[Bratislavskaya]

After seeing this conversation I wonder whether it's worth issuing RPG-29s over RPG-7s or not. Because it would now seem not.

This is an RPG-29. This is an RPG-7. They're not rly in the same league in terms of 'issue one or the other'

I'll move this to the IDT before saying 'alt else.

[San-Silvacian]

Wait, so if I pulled out a Pak 43 L/71 88mm I could go through an Abrams lfp?

No.

[Bohemia Minor]

Wait, so if I pulled out a Pak 43 L/71 88mm I could go through an Abrams lfp?

No.

But it's thin.

[San-Silvacian]

No.

But it's thin.

what is an LFP

[Bohemia Minor]

But it's thin.

what is an LFP

Lower front plate it's the bit between the sloped bit and the underside of a tank.

[San-Silvacian]

what is an LFP

Lower front plate it's the bit between the sloped bit and the underside of a tank.

You mean the lower front glacis like the actual term is? Not a pseudo-term made up by the WoT community?

And no, it wouldn't.

Wow, imagine that, old-ass WW2 guns wouldn't be able to hurt an M1A2 from the front/sides.

Maybe the rear, an extreme maybe.

[Bohemia Minor]

Lower front plate it's the bit between the sloped bit and the underside of a tank.

You mean the lower front glacis like the actual term is? Not a pseudo-term made up by the WoT community?

And no, it wouldn't.

Wow, imagine that, old-ass WW2 guns wouldn't be able to hurt an M1A2 from the front/sides.

Maybe the rear, an extreme maybe.

What if a big fat trebuchet launched a 50 ton rock at one?