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Postby Korva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:39 pm

Alexandreon wrote:
Korva wrote:That tank has like no ground clearance :blink:


The construction I've used as a base (Vickers-E, T-26 and Polish 7-TP) had approximately 360 mm of clearance, now I see that it's completely invisible on the pic, probably will have to make it visible. Thanks!

No problemo, I'm pretty bad with keeping things to scale so I often have to continuously revise things I've drawn :/
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Postby Alexandreon » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:42 pm

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No problemo, I'm pretty bad with keeping things to scale so I often have to continuously revise things I've drawn :/

Reworked, although on the "vanilla" version, will swap appropriate superstructures and will be dandy. Well, first attempt at linearting a tank couldn't have been flawless, I guess :blush:

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Postby Purpelia » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:45 pm

You might want to include some sort of bump stop to prevent those arms from bending too far out and breaking everything.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:55 pm

There was this Panzer IV...

Hydrostatic drives are rather inefficient. At the pressures needed for use in AFV transmissions (very high) they are also extremely loud. Compared to conventional transmissions they are bulky and expensive.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:11 pm

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Organized States wrote:Now, that GCV is dead and gone, what's a suitable Bradley replacement?


Now that the GCV program is dead, where do you plan on getting a Bradley replacement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_M ... se_Vehicle

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The Kievan People wrote:There was this Panzer IV...

Hydrostatic drives are rather inefficient. At the pressures needed for use in AFV transmissions (very high) they are also extremely loud. Compared to conventional transmissions they are bulky and expensive.
Diesels are pretty loud and smokey as well.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:39 pm

AMPV is not a replacement for the Bradley :/
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:23 pm

The Kievan People wrote:AMPV is not a replacement for the Bradley :/

Just because it isn't meant to be a replacement won't mean that it will be.
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Postby Gallia- » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:24 pm

That's a logical fallacy.

The assumption should be: Just because it exists as an Army program, doesn't mean it will ever exist in any meaningful tangible form, much less ever be adopted.

M2 Bradley, M113, and M1 Abrams will be used until 2060 by US Army no doubt then we will have NWO and no more need for national armies.

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:15 am

Gallia- wrote:M2 Bradley, M113, and M1 Abrams will be used until 2060 by US Army no doubt then we will have NWO and no more need for national armies.
We already have no need for national air forces, everyone just borrows the US's now.

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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:20 am

What's the cheapest tank to build on earth?
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Postby Krazakistan » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:21 am

Bohemia Minor wrote:What's the cheapest tank to build on earth?

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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:22 am

Krazakistan wrote:
Bohemia Minor wrote:What's the cheapest tank to build on earth?

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Gimme a few million of those and I'll dominate the earth with Rush tactics.
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:26 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Gallia- wrote:M2 Bradley, M113, and M1 Abrams will be used until 2060 by US Army no doubt then we will have NWO and no more need for national armies.
We already have no need for national air forces, everyone just borrows the US's now.


The USAF still exists?

USAF couldn't bomb its way out of a paper bag.

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Postby Allentyr » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:28 am

Gallia- wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:We already have no need for national air forces, everyone just borrows the US's now.


The USAF still exists?

USAF couldn't bomb its way out of a paper bag.


Wat is dis. U drunk. Go home.
Anyway, I've been trying to draw an upgrade to one of my tanks, and a thought came to me, would sloped armor even matter much anymore?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:46 am

Allentyr wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
The USAF still exists?

USAF couldn't bomb its way out of a paper bag.


Wat is dis. U drunk. Go home.
Anyway, I've been trying to draw an upgrade to one of my tanks, and a thought came to me, would sloped armor even matter much anymore?


For ERA, yes. For conventional passive armor, no.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:48 am

Sloped armor also reduces usable internal volume considerably. Which is why the Tiger and the Abrams do not use sloped armor.


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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:55 am

Gallia- wrote:Abrams makes extensive use of sloping, obviously.

Making it sooooo easy to penetrate.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:14 am

Bohemia Minor wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Abrams makes extensive use of sloping, obviously.

Making it sooooo easy to penetrate.


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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:17 am

San-Silvacian wrote:
Bohemia Minor wrote:Making it sooooo easy to penetrate.


WAT

WAT

WAT

WAT

Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:38 am

Bohemia Minor wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
WAT

WAT

WAT

WAT

Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.


'sooooo easy'

How.

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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:42 am

San-Silvacian wrote:
Bohemia Minor wrote:Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.


'sooooo easy'
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Nowadays, either you pen, or you don't.
How.

How.

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:43 am

Bohemia Minor wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
WAT

WAT

WAT

WAT

Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.


Most modern Western tanks are pretty close to immune to HEAT missiles on the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.
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Postby Bohemia Minor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:47 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Bohemia Minor wrote:Missile=Trajectory
Therefore, the more sloped your armour, the flatter the projectile actually hits a tank.


Most modern Western tanks are pretty close to immune to HEAT missiles on the frontal turret arc, regardless of sloping.

Again, RPG-29
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:48 am

Bohemia Minor wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
'sooooo easy'
RPG-29
Straight through the front.
Nowadays, either you pen, or you don't.
How.

How.

How.


What area on the front.

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