Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Padnak]

Isn't having a military filled with intelligent people inherently beneficial?

Mind you, my military is comprised of roughly 30% illiterate conscripts, 65% educated professional soldiers and 5% republican guard forces

My republican guard is filled primarily with orphaned and unwanted children taken by the military and indoctrinated trained from a young age to be loyal to the junta's leadership, in addition to receiving a fairly decent military education

[Lemanrussland]

Now, that GCV is dead and gone, what's a suitable Bradley replacement?

Now that the GCV program is dead, where do you plan on getting a Bradley replacement?

GCV was crazy anyway. Most of the design submissions were way too heavy to be useful (one was 84 tons). That's a consequence of the demands the Army placed on the market (30mm cannon, 9 dismounts, almost MBT-like survivability etc.)

The options we have now are either to keep upgrading the Bradleys we have in service, to focus on the AMPV program, or to buy some other IFV off the international market, like the Puma (the US Army really doesn't like the Puma though, since it only carries 6 men, they wanted to get away from that sort of thing after experiencing having small numbers of dismounts with the Bradley... they want a full 9 dismounts).

[Imperializt Russia]

In fairness, the 84t GCV wasn't actually 84t and would not have been delivered at 84t.
It would have been capable of supporting upgrades up to 84t - much like modern battle tanks are capable of supporting upgrades to ~75t, Challenger Megatron, for example.

[Gallia-]

Pbv 302H had firing ports, maybe they could pull double duty?
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I am aesthetically pleased. Somehow.

Because it has a face.

Isn't average male height somewhat taller than that? I'm ~180cm, somewhere about 5'11 and thought I was fairly average.

Average Western height is typically 5' 9", I'm just laughing at all you tallfags who can just barely fit into a T-72. We can put it as a range between 165-175 which covers average height as a maximum, but really anything under 6' is optimal.

Isn't having a military filled with intelligent people inherently beneficial?

Mind you, my military is comprised of roughly 30% illiterate conscripts, 65% educated professional soldiers and 5% republican guard forces

My republican guard is filled primarily with orphaned and unwanted children taken by the military and indoctrinated trained from a young age to be loyal to the junta's leadership, in addition to receiving a fairly decent military education

They both sound like huge shit.

The best soldier is middle class, college educated, intelligent, literate, raised with two parents, Christian, there of their own free will (not important), etc.

Orphans, illiterate, single parents, etc. dregs of society should ever touch the armed forces, but if you have to you can make them file forms and drive convoys. If they somehow wind up in the military, give them a monkey wrench and make them plumbers, idiots can't be expected to deal with actual stress like fighting communism.

[Imperializt Russia]

I am aesthetically pleased. Somehow.

Because it has a face.

It could well be.
Does it have any connection to the M113 or does it just look slightly similar?

[Gallia-]

It has about as much connection to M113 as I do to my ancestral homelands of Danmark and Al-bion.

[Lemanrussland]

It has about as much connection to M113 as I do to my ancestral homelands of Danmark and Al-bion.

Very much the same class of vehicle, but you are right, not directly connected to the M113 in any way.

In fairness, the 84t GCV wasn't actually 84t and would not have been delivered at 84t.
It would have been capable of supporting upgrades up to 84t - much like modern battle tanks are capable of supporting upgrades to ~75t, Challenger Megatron, for example.

My mistake. The baseline weight was to be 70 tons for that model, which is still extremely crazy (almost Maus-like for an IFV). Given all the talk about the need to become "more expeditionary" and "leaner", I have no idea what the Army was thinking. That thing was supposed to replace the M113, the Bradley, and the Stryker eventually.

The Manned Ground Vehicles IFV the GCV evolved from was supposed to be 25 percent lighter than the Bradley, while carrying 9 soldiers and a 30mm autocannon. Perhaps that would have been possible with an unmanned turret (since those have little/no hull penetration), but I don't think it would have been very survivable without some kind of APS. Perhaps lack of confidence in an APS led the Army down the path to such heavy designs. Maybe they were suffering from the "one multirole platform that can do everything will be better!" delusion and intended to replace the M1 Abrams with a variant of the GCV (sort of similar to the XM1202 from the FCS MGV program).

[Padnak]

They both sound like huge shit.

The best soldier is middle class, college educated, intelligent, literate, raised with two parents, Christian, there of their own free will (not important), etc.

Orphans, illiterate, single parents, etc. dregs of society should ever touch the armed forces, but if you have to you can make them file forms and drive convoys. If they somehow wind up in the military, give them a monkey wrench and make them plumbers, idiots can't be expected to deal with actual stress like fighting communism.

The idea behind taking abandoned children, orphans etc and indoctrinated them into the military from a young age seemed right up the alley of a borderline crazy military junta. I got the idea from communist Roumania when they banned birth control and abortion to try and have a larger workforce, which failed miserably and ended up with a great deal of people who couldn't afford to keep their children and in turn those children ending up in orphanages

The Padnak Solution™ to having so many abandoned chilldren milling around after the Second Padnaki Civil War was to take them into government run military schools to be educated and indoctrinated into being fairly competent soldiers that are far more loyal to the junta's leaders then the rest of the army

[Padnak]

Actual Military Ground Vehicles question!

I use armoured bulldozers in my divisional level engineering units, but would building an armoured bulldozer equipped with a BMP turret or something in that vain be a good idea? Mainly for self defence of course. I use mainly D8's and bulldozers of that size and smaller after a certain incident with 100 tons bulldozers...

[Kouralia]

Actual Military Ground Vehicles question!

I use armoured bulldozers in my divisional level engineering units, but would building an armoured bulldozer equipped with a BMP turret or something in that vain be a good idea? Mainly for self defence of course. I use mainly D8's and bulldozers of that size and smaller after a certain incident with 100 tons bulldozers...

Why is it needing a BMP turret for self defence? Self Defence is like 'RCWS with an HMG/GPMG' territory.

[Korva]

Actual Military Ground Vehicles question!

I use armoured bulldozers in my divisional level engineering units, but would building an armoured bulldozer equipped with a BMP turret or something in that vain be a good idea? Mainly for self defence of course. I use mainly D8's and bulldozers of that size and smaller after a certain incident with 100 tons bulldozers...

A BMP turret would be totally unnecessary.

[Padnak]

Actual Military Ground Vehicles question!

I use armoured bulldozers in my divisional level engineering units, but would building an armoured bulldozer equipped with a BMP turret or something in that vain be a good idea? Mainly for self defence of course. I use mainly D8's and bulldozers of that size and smaller after a certain incident with 100 tons bulldozers...

Why is it needing a BMP turret for self defence? Self Defence is like 'RCWS with an HMG/GPMG' territory.

My logic is that having a BMP-1 turret with a 73 or whatever mm gun would also have the added benefit of being an HE thrower for engineering purposes, in a addition to self defence

PKM it is then

[Defem]

Is a hussar a ground vehicle?

Because that's all we have.

[Kouralia]

Is a hussar a ground vehicle?

Because that's all we have.

No Lancers?

[Imperializt Russia]

A simple RWS with a GPMG mounted to it should be all the defence an armoured dozer needs. Armoured dozers IRL don't carry weapons. They're either operating off the frontline or if they ever are at the forefront of conflict, they will be supported by all arms behind them.

[Korva]

Why is it needing a BMP turret for self defence? Self Defence is like 'RCWS with an HMG/GPMG' territory.

My logic is that having a BMP-1 turret with a 73 or whatever mm gun would also have the added benefit of being an HE thrower for engineering purposes, in a addition to self defence

PKM it is then

If you want a HE thrower then convert a tank into an engineering vehicle.

73mm RPG launcher isn't exactly gonna be high on the HE content compared to a 165mm gun like on British and American CEV's.

[Lydenburg]

You can't fit in any AFV really.

Tall people are probably the worst soldiers, you'd be manning a desk or something.

The optimum height for a combat soldier probably hovers around 165-170 cm.

Isn't average male height somewhat taller than that? I'm ~180cm, somewhere about 5'11 and thought I was fairly average.

Depends on the country.

I'm not sure about the UK, but the SANDF used to apply a height and weight limit when they recruited armour crew.

[Padnak]

Speaking of using tanks as engineering vehicles, has they're ever been a tank powered by a hydraulic motor?

[Alexandreon]

Alexandreon also can into engineering tanks. This time, bridge tank, based upon our light tank design from mid-1930s. In queue: minesweeping tank and our "heavy tank" AVRE vehicle with ::not::Petard mortar in the turret.

[Lydenburg]

Why is it needing a BMP turret for self defence? Self Defence is like 'RCWS with an HMG/GPMG' territory.

My logic is that having a BMP-1 turret with a 73 or whatever mm gun would also have the added benefit of being an HE thrower for engineering purposes, in a addition to self defence

PKM it is then

NSers have already tried to market combat engineering vehicles with big gun-mortars for demolition purposes.

[Imperializt Russia]

Speaking of using tanks as engineering vehicles, has they're ever been a tank powered by a hydraulic motor?

How would that work?
I'm sure it's much more common as a concept than I'm imagining.

Sounds very inefficient.

[New Tsavon]

Now, that GCV is dead and gone, what's a suitable Bradley replacement?

Nothing.

Maybe the M2A4 Bradley whenever that happens.

[Padnak]

Speaking of using tanks as engineering vehicles, has they're ever been a tank powered by a hydraulic motor?

How would that work?
I'm sure it's much more common as a concept than I'm imagining.

Sounds very inefficient.

Being an uneducated peasant from the countryside, this is my territory!

Hydraulic motors are used on some tractors and they work by basically having a normal motor that powers a hydraulic pump which in turn goes into a hydraulic motor, with the benefit being high torque for the size of the motor at low speeds, ideal for tractors

I'm not positive on how the motor works exactly, but I think it involves a bunch of hydraulic pistons moving some sort of crankshaft in place of combustion chambers, although I could be talking out of my ass.

may be of the help

EDIT
One that had military applications

[Korva]

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Alexandreon also can into engineering tanks. This time, bridge tank, based upon our light tank design from mid-1930s. In queue: minesweeping tank and our "heavy tank" AVRE vehicle with ::not::Petard mortar in the turret.

That tank has like no ground clearance

[Alexandreon]

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Alexandreon also can into engineering tanks. This time, bridge tank, based upon our light tank design from mid-1930s. In queue: minesweeping tank and our "heavy tank" AVRE vehicle with ::not::Petard mortar in the turret.

That tank has like no ground clearance

The construction I've used as a base (Vickers-E, T-26 and Polish 7-TP) had approximately 360 mm of clearance, now I see that it's completely invisible on the pic, probably will have to make it visible. Thanks!