Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Antarticaria]

Couldn't you always take a shit outside? Unless there is biological, radiological, or chemical contamination of course.

The point is that the vehicle can button up to operate in CBRN environments for an extended period. And because stopping to take a dump requires the entire vehicle to stop, which probably makes the whole platoon at the very least also stop since leaving one vehicle behind is a bad idea.

Yes.. not for comfort but for livability. Heating and a proper insulated internal shitter for without either one of those there would be ice sculptures of soldiers with their pants down all over my nation...

[San-Silvacian]

In an actual reality, lacking some kind of creature comfort doesn't make your soldier "better" or "tougher".

There seems to be a belief, common in all sorts of circles, that making people "tougher" by deliberately plunging them into discomfort, makes them harder or better men.

This isn't true.

Just like how killing hundreds a year in basic training and having a 40% washout rate due to injury makes one's military truly badass amirite.

This literally the worst iiwiki article I've ever seen.

[Padnak]

Remove strength

apply weakness

[Bohemia Minor]

Standard military ground vehicle- E-50 Auf N
150mm of steel plating with a layer of reactive armour
80mm side armour with reactive armour
50mm of rear armour with a mattress strapped to it.
105mm KWK L/90
Penetrates up to 600mm of steel armour (about the armour of an M1 Abrams)
50KPH top speed.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Much to be learned here about how to operate a tank.

I'll say you haven't lived until you've taken a shit at the commander's station into a spent 105mm casing during a night op in simulated contaminated environments as you race across the brigade area of operations because your flank brigade was unable to consolidate their area of operations and now the enemy are pouring in from your western flank.

The only thing harder is being in the gunner's seat while that is going on.

[Korva]

Closest experience to that I've had is pissing in a bottle in the bucket of a moving bucket truck.

It gets everywhere.

[Rich and Corporations]

Much to be learned here about how to operate a tank.

I'll say you haven't lived until you've taken a shit at the commander's station into a spent 105mm casing during a night op in simulated contaminated environments as you race across the brigade area of operations because your flank brigade was unable to consolidate their area of operations and now the enemy are pouring in from your western flank.

The only thing harder is being in the gunner's seat while that is going on.

That's a major weakness of Quester's tanks. Not being able to have enough room to bend to take a shit.

Remove weakness

engender strength

Army strong means PTSD.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Much to be learned here about how to operate a tank.

I'll say you haven't lived until you've taken a shit at the commander's station into a spent 105mm casing during a night op in simulated contaminated environments as you race across the brigade area of operations because your flank brigade was unable to consolidate their area of operations and now the enemy are pouring in from your western flank.

The only thing harder is being in the gunner's seat while that is going on.

That's a major weakness of Quester's tanks. Not being able to have enough room to bend to take a shit.

You do it standing like a real man.

[Rich and Corporations]

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/A+tank+ma ... 0376632831

Although not yet seen in public, it is common knowledge that Russia's Uralvagonzavod's T99 Universal Combat Platform is in its final stages of development. Known as the Armata, the chassis is to be used for a variety of purposes. In tank form, the new 125 millimetre smoothbore gun will fire all existing ammunition as well as laser guided missiles, and will be installed in a remotely controlled turret with an automatic loading system, the three-man crew being hosted within the chassis. No indication is given regarding combat weight and protection. It is unclear if the new tanks will be fitted with an active protection system, such as the Arena-E. The engine output should be in the 1,400 to1,600 horsepower range, firepower being completed by two coaxial weapon that should be an AGS-57 automatic grenade launcher and a 12.7 millimetre machine gun. According to available information the first prototypes should be tested in 2014, with the initial production launched in 2015, first deliveries being expected for the following years; a total of 2,300 such tanks should be produced by 2020.

You do it standing like a real man.

That's not.... biologically possible.

[Lydenburg]

In regards to commodes, wouldn't their inclusion be dependant on space? Inside a diminutive sized vehicle like the T-72 for example I would rather just pinch it if it meant I would have a little bit of leg room, but in something as vast as an IFV or an Abrams, wouldn't its inclusion be pretty obvious?

On a side note, I'm six feet six inches tall, I cannot physically fit inside of a T-72 lol

Have you tried?

I'm not a tall guy by Saffie standards, but when I was at the '06 SANDF fair in Ysterplaat I could barely get my head and shoulders through the hatch of a T-72. The turret space was even worse than a Ratel-90. I was trying to hold my camera with one hand for good interior shots but couldn't move it in either direction without smacking into something. And my knees were jammed so tightly together it was impossible to stay in the gunner's seat without losing circulation.

I swear, they designed that thing with underfed African child soldiers in mind.

[Questers]

It's interesting, because you hear a lot about contrasting reports. Some people say you can fit inside a T-72 at 6 feet with only minimal problems. I don't think its nearly so much as how tall you are as opposed to how tall your legs are (yes they are related, obviously, but not completely directly) and how big your frame is. I have never been in a tank (except a Chieftain when I was a kid, I think) but from looking at pictures and judging distances (such a pro ) I imagine it must be something similar to budget airline seats (with which I am familiar )

and I wanted to be a challenger 2 commander

[Radictistan]

Gah, I'm ashamed my only experience siting inside an AFV is a Bradley. They had the gunner's seat adjusted for small children so I came out of that vehicle with a lot of aches and pains.

[Lydenburg]

You can't fit in any AFV really.

Tall people are probably the worst soldiers, you'd be manning a desk or something.

The optimum height for a combat soldier probably hovers around 165-170 cm.

There was an Eland armoured car commander during the Angolan war who stood about Padnak's height. Op Savannah vet, still a legend in the SAAC today.

Other chaps got into the armoured car. This guy had to put it on like a pair of trousers.

[Questers]

I also wanted to be a scimitar commander (I wanted to be many things.) Only recently did I actually find a Scorpion with the 90mm cockerill turret in Muzium Negara Malaysia. The damn thing was tiny. I'm not sure I could have fit inside it if you folded me in half.

[Lydenburg]

I also wanted to be a scimitar commander (I wanted to be many things.) Only recently did I actually find a Scorpion with the 90mm cockerill turret in Muzium Negara Malaysia. The damn thing was tiny. I'm not sure I could have fit inside it if you folded me in half.

If it's anything like a Ratel, the breech of that big 90mm hogs all the space in the turret.

[Organized States]

Now, that GCV is dead and gone, what's a suitable Bradley replacement?

[Gallia-]

It's interesting, because you hear a lot about contrasting reports. Some people say you can fit inside a T-72 at 6 feet with only minimal problems. I don't think its nearly so much as how tall you are as opposed to how tall your legs are (yes they are related, obviously, but not completely directly) and how big your frame is. I have never been in a tank (except a Chieftain when I was a kid, I think) but from looking at pictures and judging distances (such a pro ) I imagine it must be something similar to budget airline seats (with which I am familiar (Image))

and I wanted to be a challenger 2 commander

I think it ultimately depends on how much discomfort you're willing to endure.

[Questers]

It's interesting, because you hear a lot about contrasting reports. Some people say you can fit inside a T-72 at 6 feet with only minimal problems. I don't think its nearly so much as how tall you are as opposed to how tall your legs are (yes they are related, obviously, but not completely directly) and how big your frame is. I have never been in a tank (except a Chieftain when I was a kid, I think) but from looking at pictures and judging distances (such a pro ) I imagine it must be something similar to budget airline seats (with which I am familiar (Image))

and I wanted to be a challenger 2 commander

I think it ultimately depends on how much discomfort you're willing to endure.

There's a vague statement if I ever heard one.

[Gallia-]

I think it ultimately depends on how much discomfort you're willing to endure.

There's a vague statement if I ever heard one.

Thank you I am learning from the master of vague/cryptic statements himself.

[Tule]

Instead of a shaped charge, would it be reasonable to use an EFP for a tandem charge? The idea is that the lower velocity and greater diameter of the EFP would not detonate the ERA but merely drill a hole through it for the main charge to pass through unimpeded, might even be more effective against APC's with Cage armor since the EFP alone would be less affected by standoff distance and still have enough penetrating power for 60-70 mm of RHA.

[Esalonia]

GA-2 "Flatte"
Main Battle Tank-Battlesport variant

The GA-2 "Flatte" Battle Tank is basically a PL-07 and an M1 Abrams mated together, with the M1's electronic suite and war experience and the Pl-07's stealthiness and new technology. It has seen service with the Esao Empire and the Republic of Esalonia. There are two variants-the original variant (which composes 75% of the GA-2s), and the battlesport that's spitting 25% more horses.

Armor: 200 mm front
150 mm sides
150 mm back
Armor type: Chobham reactive armor (0.75% Depleted Uranium)
Engine: 1,200 bhp penta-turbocharged 10.5 L SS18 tank engine
Top Speed: 100 kph (offroad)
Armament: A-10 135-mm rifled cannon, firing HEAT rounds
SAW-18 Mega, firing 600 rounds per minute.
Javelin-II Anti-air Missiles
8 smoke pods
FTG-8 automatic grenade launcher, firing airburst, wall busting, or illumination rounds.
(optional weapons from here on) 50-tube Calliope-9 MLRS
MM2 "Frostbite" HPLN (High Pressure Liquid Nitrogen) cannon
MMA2 "Firebite" Flamethrower
MML-2 "Terror Bug" insectoid drone pod
Crew: 1 gunner, 1 commander, 1 driver/mechanic
Control Systems: AIM-90 Priority Target Identification System
TRAYC-60 Target Guidance System
HP-1 Vehicle Vitality Monitoring System
XBOKX-1 Driver Console
WIE-1 Gunner Console
PS-IV Commander's Console
Transmission: 8-speed DSG-1 Hypersequential

[Esalonia]

U-A2
Multipurpose Military Vehicle

Armor: 10 mm all sides
Armor type: carbon fiber
Dimensions l x w x h:7.24 m x 1.65 m x 1.54 m
Armament:
.50 cal SAW-18 Mega
MT-8 antitank missile launcher, with 4 rockets
Weight: 45t
Speed: 432 kph
Engine: 1200 bhp quad-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed DSG sequential

[Padnak]

It's interesting, because you hear a lot about contrasting reports. Some people say you can fit inside a T-72 at 6 feet with only minimal problems. I don't think its nearly so much as how tall you are as opposed to how tall your legs are (yes they are related, obviously, but not completely directly) and how big your frame is. I have never been in a tank (except a Chieftain when I was a kid, I think) but from looking at pictures and judging distances (such a pro ) I imagine it must be something similar to budget airline seats (with which I am familiar (Image))

and I wanted to be a challenger 2 commander

As a very tall guy I can confirm this

It really depends on how flexible you are, I was able to cram myself into the drivers position of a T-54 when I was twelve (I think around 5.8 at that point) but I couldn't dream of fitting into a T-72 nowdays.

[Allanea]

Now, that GCV is dead and gone, what's a suitable Bradley replacement?

Now that the GCV program is dead, where do you plan on getting a Bradley replacement?

[Imperializt Russia]

What kind of pampered softies demand a commode or a urinal in their AFV? No, it's not important. It's nice but not important.

Surely it's important as it enables them to operate with full goforwardability within the 21st century, five-dimensional, quasi-intranetworked battlespace?

It's also probably somewhat pleasant.

In reality, Strv 103 and Pbv 302 had no commodes. ):

Pbv 302H had firing ports, maybe they could pull double duty?

I am aesthetically pleased. Somehow.

Meanwhile in the German armed forces.

What's the difference between the "sitting toilet" and the "field toilet"?

You can't fit in any AFV really.

Tall people are probably the worst soldiers, you'd be manning a desk or something.

The optimum height for a combat soldier probably hovers around 165-170 cm.

Isn't average male height somewhat taller than that? I'm ~180cm, somewhere about 5'11 and thought I was fairly average.

Just like how killing hundreds a year in basic training and having a 40% washout rate due to injury makes one's military truly badass amirite.

That's because you weed out all the weak and to an extent all of your smarter populace. How are you going to get people to do hacking and other support roles, if the people who can do them can't pass basic?

You don't want to weed out the intelligent recruits. They make good NCOs, officers and general infantryman.

I think I'm right in saying that the "best soldiers" make up a shockingly small proportion of any army.

Just like how killing hundreds a year in basic training and having a 40% washout rate due to injury makes one's military truly badass amirite.

This literally the worst iiwiki article I've ever seen.

"Although the amount of training and time spent on programs is in its own an extreme for most nations, more traits to training programs basic and branch divisional, work to make training as realistic to warfare as possible and to be as strongly efficient as possible. This means that all troops face semi real combat situations from barbed wire crawls with live fire and live mortar shells going off nearby. Training commanders emphasize on realism to training programs in order to prepare them for combat situations, from exercises to mock combat battles to stressful training. Target practice is usually done on figurines that look like people with blood patches and look a like features of people, sometimes even using dead consented bodies for fire practice and bayonet charges (or dead POW). It is against the law since 2009 to use live people and animals for training purposes when harm is intended to them, though it is still believed they still use these practices when available. Drill officers are relentless on pushing recruits to their limits, in order to toughen the recruits and scare out weaklings, they turn more supportive during later portions of training though."

Are we sure he passes the site's age requirement?

Instead of a shaped charge, would it be reasonable to use an EFP for a tandem charge? The idea is that the lower velocity and greater diameter of the EFP would not detonate the ERA but merely drill a hole through it for the main charge to pass through unimpeded, might even be more effective against APC's with Cage armor since the EFP alone would be less affected by standoff distance and still have enough penetrating power for 60-70 mm of RHA.

Don't EFPs travel quite fast? Much slower than HEAT jets of course, but I thought it was pretty much on par with high-performance tank rounds (~2km/s).

GA-2 "Flatte"
Main Battle Tank-Battlesport variant

The GA-2 "Flatte" Battle Tank is basically a PL-07 and an M1 Abrams mated together, with the M1's electronic suite and war experience and the Pl-07's stealthiness and new technology. It has seen service with the Esao Empire and the Republic of Esalonia. There are two variants-the original variant (which composes 75% of the GA-2s), and the battlesport that's spitting 25% more horses.

Armor: 200 mm front
150 mm sides
150 mm back
Armor type: Chobham reactive armor (0.75% Depleted Uranium)
Engine: 1,200 bhp penta-turbocharged 10.5 L SS18 tank engine
Top Speed: 100 kph (offroad)
Armament: A-10 135-mm rifled cannon, firing HEAT rounds
SAW-18 Mega, firing 600 rounds per minute.
Javelin-II Anti-air Missiles
8 smoke pods
FTG-8 automatic grenade launcher, firing airburst, wall busting, or illumination rounds.
(optional weapons from here on) 50-tube Calliope-9 MLRS
MM2 "Frostbite" HPLN (High Pressure Liquid Nitrogen) cannon
MMA2 "Firebite" Flamethrower
MML-2 "Terror Bug" insectoid drone pod
Crew: 1 gunner, 1 commander, 1 driver/mechanic
Control Systems: AIM-90 Priority Target Identification System
TRAYC-60 Target Guidance System
HP-1 Vehicle Vitality Monitoring System
XBOKX-1 Driver Console
WIE-1 Gunner Console
PS-IV Commander's Console
Transmission: 8-speed DSG-1 Hypersequential

Your tank has little need of a SAM launcher. A rocket pod (or the "MLRS", depending on what sort of calibre you mean there. 50 tubes seems excessive) could be interesting. I personally fit an ATGM launcher to the roof of my own design.

I get the impression that some of this is a joke (satirical perhaps?), but why a "penta-turbocharged"? Not sure there's any real advantage to be had from more than two in any configuration.

I wouldn't describe it as "a cross between the M1 Abrams and the PL-01". Since it sounds like it may be heavily based upon the M1 Abrams chassis, why not just state that it's a modified or adapted Abrams that has had signature-reducing technology fitted?