Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Yukonastan]

Do I sense a wanktank?

Padnak, did you take your reasonable medication this morning? You're Dragomereing.

How would it be a wanktank? Its stupid and unreasonable from a modern perspective but for a tank designed in the 20s and built in the 30s it wouldn't be all that unreasonable.

If it were the size of a P.1500 Monster it wouldn't be unreasonable. But seven turrets and a ton of firing ports are best spread out over multiple vehicles.

[Padnak]

It would insanely cramped and almost useless in combat, but as a massive rolling fortress for the occasional parade it would be glorious

[Alexandreon]

It would insanely cramped and almost useless in combat, but as a massive rolling fortress for the occasional parade it would be glorious

This. Exactly the T-35 role.

Besides, 2-3 turrets in late 1920s and early 1930s aren't that unreasonable. Main conflict of the period, WW1 shown that one needs to fire at multiple field fortification points at once, so 2 MG turrets are able to shoot across the traverses of trenches, whereas gun in the main turret eliminate "harder" points.

[Yukonastan]

It would insanely cramped and almost useless in combat, but as a massive rolling fortress for the occasional parade it would be glorious

This. Exactly the T-35 role.

Besides, 2-3 turrets in late 1920s and early 1930s aren't that unreasonable. Main conflict of the period, WW1 shown that one needs to fire at multiple field fortification points at once, so 2 MG turrets are able to shoot across the traverses of trenches, whereas gun in the main turret eliminate "harder" points.

Two or three, but not seven.

[Alexandreon]

This. Exactly the T-35 role.

Besides, 2-3 turrets in late 1920s and early 1930s aren't that unreasonable. Main conflict of the period, WW1 shown that one needs to fire at multiple field fortification points at once, so 2 MG turrets are able to shoot across the traverses of trenches, whereas gun in the main turret eliminate "harder" points.

Two or three, but not seven.

Five turreted "super-heavy" borderline-wankish tank would be produced in a short, short series (circa 50 pieces) in order to demonstrate the prowess and might of my armored troops, nothing else. Three-turreted "heavy" tank would be another, apart from light "not-Vickers" infantry support tank, later (1938-1940) replaced with either not-Sherman or not-T-34...

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Wanktastic proposal of super-heavy tank for early 1930s. Data prattle coming soon!

[Yukonastan]

Two or three, but not seven.

Five turreted "super-heavy" borderline-wankish tank would be produced in a short, short series (circa 50 pieces) in order to demonstrate the prowess and might of my armored troops, nothing else. Three-turreted "heavy" tank would be another, apart from light "not-Vickers" infantry support tank, later (1938-1940) replaced with either not-Sherman or not-T-34...

You mean like Padnak and I having our militarized bagger 288s.
(I actually retconned mine out, since it's got tech beyond 1974.)

[Bratislavskaya]

Two or three, but not seven.

Five turreted "super-heavy" borderline-wankish tank would be produced in a short, short series (circa 50 pieces) in order to demonstrate the prowess and might of my armored troops, nothing else. Three-turreted "heavy" tank would be another, apart from light "not-Vickers" infantry support tank, later (1938-1940) replaced with either not-Sherman or not-T-34...

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Wanktastic proposal of super-heavy tank for early 1930s. Data prattle coming soon!

Give it white parade trim, for extra glory.

[-The Trade Federation-]

Okay, so how do I make airships more efficient in battle without overburdening them ?

[Alexandreon]

Five turreted "super-heavy" borderline-wankish tank would be produced in a short, short series (circa 50 pieces) in order to demonstrate the prowess and might of my armored troops, nothing else. Three-turreted "heavy" tank would be another, apart from light "not-Vickers" infantry support tank, later (1938-1940) replaced with either not-Sherman or not-T-34...

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Wanktastic proposal of super-heavy tank for early 1930s. Data prattle coming soon!

Give it white parade trim, for extra glory.

I did a stupid-sized banner of my nation attached to one for lulz. I guess that the banner would have mass of a single turret, at least... But yeah, additional white stripes for parades would be added.

Apply Most Glorious Glory

And trying to keep myself at least partially serious, Crusader vs BT-7M anyone? Or any other "cruiser tank" or "cavalry tank" to get replaced by my "not"Shermans at the beginning of 1940s?

[Organized States]

Just jumping in on the discussion here...

OS can into 1930s Tanks as well!

Well...umm...Shit.



Also, serious question,

How effective would an up gunned M8 Greyhound be? Like, a 40mm?

[Questers]

A commode is important for IFVs.

A tank makes do with a chemical urinal. CVRT and Challenger had them.

An IFV with a tank cannon is essentially CV90-105 or MGS, which is a fine idea in theory. In practice, they tend to be unstable, at least MGS is but that has to do with it being wheeled really. If it's on tracks it's fine, if it's wheeled it isn't unless you want to make it about thirty tons or so.

What kind of pampered softies demand a commode or a urinal in their AFV? No, it's not important. It's nice but not important.

The same pampered softies who were trained to stay buttoned down in a tank for 7 days.

[Mefpan]

Okay, so how do I make airships more efficient in battle without overburdening them ?

My guess is that you would ask the Your Nation's Airforce people given that they deal with planes and airships probably.

Landships are the only ships that belong into this thread, even if the only reason they seem to be allowed to come here for is to die.

[Tule]

Well if it was a matter of life or death China would probably just send hordes of peasants with thermite charges against the incoming tanks.

And they would get killed by the hundreds.

This has never, ever, actually worked.

I know that.

Guess I had that coming for repeating the zerg rush trope.

What I meant to say was that although China would do poorly in a mechanized conflict in the short term, the huge manpower pool and massive economy would probably enable China to push back a US invasion eventually in a life or death scenario. even if it took tens of millions of Chinese lives.

The last time a technologically superior nation invaded China, China lost ten people for every Japanese. But unlike Japan, China could sustain those losses and even lost proportionately fewer people.

[Lydenburg]

What kind of pampered softies demand a commode or a urinal in their AFV? No, it's not important. It's nice but not important.

The same pampered softies who were trained to stay buttoned down in a tank for 7 days.

In other words, less than 10% of the world.

[Gallia-]

A commode is important for IFVs.

A tank makes do with a chemical urinal. CVRT and Challenger had them.

An IFV with a tank cannon is essentially CV90-105 or MGS, which is a fine idea in theory. In practice, they tend to be unstable, at least MGS is but that has to do with it being wheeled really. If it's on tracks it's fine, if it's wheeled it isn't unless you want to make it about thirty tons or so.

What kind of pampered softies demand a commode or a urinal in their AFV? No, it's not important. It's nice but not important.

People who were intending to fight The Last (or Next) War, not beat up Angolans every few decades.

Getting outside of your AFV to take a shit means you're being exposed to VX, HD, etc., and possibly radioactive material. It also means you have to stop, slowing the advance of your mechanised unit by some minutes, which can be disastrous if the shattered remains of the 14th Tank Brigade (formerly Army) consolidates before the 7th Armoured Battalion (formerly Brigade) of the British Brigade of the Rhine (formerly Army) arrives.

[Allanea]

Five turreted "super-heavy" borderline-wankish tank would be produced in a short, short series (circa 50 pieces) in order to demonstrate the prowess and might of my armored troops, nothing else. Three-turreted "heavy" tank would be another, apart from light "not-Vickers" infantry support tank, later (1938-1940) replaced with either not-Sherman or not-T-34...

You mean like Padnak and I having our militarized bagger 288s.
(I actually retconned mine out, since it's got tech beyond 1974.)

I have mine too.

[Allanea]

What kind of pampered softies demand a commode or a urinal in their AFV? No, it's not important. It's nice but not important.

People who were intending to fight The Last (or Next) War, not beat up Angolans every few decades.

Getting outside of your AFV to take a shit means you're being exposed to VX, HD, etc., and possibly radioactive material. It also means you have to stop, slowing the advance of your mechanised unit by some minutes, which can be disastrous if the shattered remains of the 14th Tank Brigade (formerly Army) consolidates before the 7th Armoured Battalion (formerly Brigade) of the British Brigade of the Rhine (formerly Army) arrives.

"The Russian soldier should be proud that Swedish tanks have coffeemakers and bio-toilets. Because you, the descendant of the Northern warriors, have no need for such trinkets. You can't make a still out of a coffeemaker anyway. And as for taking a shit, you will shit from the irradiated hull of your tank onto the scorched Swedish soil, and wipe with a copy of Red Star"

(In reality BMP-3 has a commode.)

[Questers]

The same pampered softies who were trained to stay buttoned down in a tank for 7 days.

In other words, less than 10% of the world.

100% of the Royal Armoured Corps.

[Gallia-]

In reality, Strv 103 and Pbv 302 had no commodes. ):

[Questers]

People who were intending to fight The Last (or Next) War, not beat up Angolans every few decades.

Getting outside of your AFV to take a shit means you're being exposed to VX, HD, etc., and possibly radioactive material. It also means you have to stop, slowing the advance of your mechanised unit by some minutes, which can be disastrous if the shattered remains of the 14th Tank Brigade (formerly Army) consolidates before the 7th Armoured Battalion (formerly Brigade) of the British Brigade of the Rhine (formerly Army) arrives.

"The Russian soldier should be proud that Swedish tanks have coffeemakers and bio-toilets. Because you, the descendant of the Northern warriors, have no need for such trinkets. You can't make a still out of a coffeemaker anyway. And as for taking a shit, you will shit from the irradiated hull of your tank onto the scorched Swedish soil, and wipe with a copy of Red Star"

(In reality BMP-3 has a commode.)

Obviously your tank doesnt need a shitter or a cooker if it has a 12 hr lifespan.

[Immoren]

Is it bad I had to google "commode"?

[Korva]

In reality, Strv 103 and Pbv 302 had no commodes. ):

Pbv 302H had firing ports, maybe they could pull double duty?

[Gallia-]

In reality, Strv 103 and Pbv 302 had no commodes. ):

Pbv 302H had firing ports, maybe they could pull double duty?

UDES 08 never saw service.

It's now just rusting away in some back lot like every other experimental vehicle.

[Allanea]

In an actual reality, lacking some kind of creature comfort doesn't make your soldier "better" or "tougher".

There seems to be a belief, common in all sorts of circles, that making people "tougher" by deliberately plunging them into discomfort, makes them harder or better men.

This isn't true. It is especially not true when de discuss hygiene.

In terms of "softies" using commodes, of the world's top 10 militaries (by budget), both the German and the Russian military - not exactly known for a love of creature comforts - have commodes in AFVs.

[Allanea]

Meanwhile in the German armed forces.