Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Spodystan]

I am designing a indigenous main battle tank ( the M13 Phalanx) with 6in frontal armor and a 130mm etc gun how do you think that would compare to another NS tank

What design philosophy does it fallow? Eastern or western?

Mix of east and west ex western crew comfort and protection and eastern ruggedness and affordibility

[Spodystan]

What design philosophy does it fallow? Eastern or western?

Mix of east and west example western crew comfort and protection and eastern ruggedness and affordibility

[Allanea]

What design philosophy does it fallow? Eastern or western?

Mix of east and west ex western crew comfort and protection and eastern ruggedness and affordibility

"Eastern design philosophy" is not directly related to crew comfort. The latest T-90 mods have air conditioning and suchlike.

[Padnak]

Eastern design philosophy is more so referring to the use of of an auto loader and a small overall size

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

What would be the feasibility of changing out the Challenger 1's gun for a 120mm ETC? Would it be worth it?

Its perfectly possible but difficult and expensive as someone else said you need to pretty much replace the whole turret. I would just keep its current gun, you can still pen them from the sides and lower front hull, you can use GLATGMs if you bump into them from the front.

[Spodystan]

Okay I guess it's more western design philosophy than eastern because it weighs in at 68 tons and will be receiving a innovative modular auto loader that can easily be replaced by a extra crew member if needed

[United Marxist Nations]

What would be the feasibility of changing out the Challenger 1's gun for a 120mm ETC? Would it be worth it?

Its perfectly possible but difficult and expensive as someone else said you need to pretty much replace the whole turret. I would just keep its current gun, you can still pen them from the sides and lower front hull, you can use GLATGMs if you bump into them from the front.

Probably what I'd do then.

[The Kievan People]

140mm guns actually take up less space than 120mm ETC guns. Once you take into account the volume of electrical components.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

140mm guns actually take up less space than 120mm ETC guns. Once you take into account the volume of electrical components.

The ammunition is still smaller for 120 mm ETC guns though right?

[Spirit of Hope]

140mm guns actually take up less space than 120mm ETC guns. Once you take into account the volume of electrical components.

The ammunition is still smaller for 120 mm ETC guns though right?

Yes, though I wouldn't be surprised if both ended up having similar amounts of ammo due to the size of ETC equipment.

[The Kievan People]

The ammunition is still smaller for 120 mm ETC guns though right?

It is.

But the electrical equipment will probably consume more space than the entire ammunition load. So it is a bit of a moot point.

[Talon Independent Nation]

So, given the talk of ETC vs standard munitions, what about those systems compared to emerging electromagnetic vectors?
Granted, electromagnetic weapons aren't quite ready for tank-scale deployment, due to energy density issues with current batteries, but with the current advent of 3D Lithium Ion cells and constant advancement of power storage technology in general, it certainly doesn't look far off.
Ammo storage for a railgun or coilgun would certainly be more compact, due to only having to stow the actual projectiles being fired. The tradeoff being fitting the vehicle with a generator unit to power the gun.

As far as I'm concerned, the potential for a high capacity, autoloaded coilgun armament for an MBT is quite high in the near future, once energy technology passes a certain point.

[Saphirasia]

Where's that 3D tank someone made?

Might be mine. If so, the T-14U is still a WIP. The blocky Western-style turret design is being the biggest bitch to fit onto the T-14 hull, mostly because of the size of the engine compartment...
ANEMOS HOW DO YOU DO IT

[Spirit of Hope]

So, given the talk of ETC vs standard munitions, what about those systems compared to emerging electromagnetic vectors?
Granted, electromagnetic weapons aren't quite ready for tank-scale deployment, due to energy density issues with current batteries, but with the current advent of 3D Lithium Ion cells and constant advancement of power storage technology in general, it certainly doesn't look far off.
Ammo storage for a railgun or coilgun would certainly be more compact, due to only having to stow the actual projectiles being fired. The tradeoff being fitting the vehicle with a generator unit to power the gun.

As far as I'm concerned, the potential for a high capacity, autoloaded coilgun armament for an MBT is quite high in the near future, once energy technology passes a certain point.

First their is the rather big hurdle of power storage/creation. A coil gun or rail gun would use a massive amount of power, and a tank for the forceable future can't make enough power to run that gun alongside its electrics and have a good rate of fire.

Additionally there are several material science hurdles to overcome, the coils for such a coil gun would have to withstand a massive amount of energy being passed through them 2-3 times a minute (minimum) for prolonged times without maintenance. There aren't a lot of materials that can do that.

Plus the amount of magnetism you are talking here might create problems for some of the tanks electronics, though given the nature of coil guns magnetic field this shouldn't be to big an issue.

[Stormwind-City]

Ok, here is my Frankenstein/bastard child medium tank Storm Warrior.



I don't have any stats for it, and I'm pretty sure it is not a 1px=1cm scale. Could anyone recommend how thick the armor is, speed, and what gun it is.

And maybe scale it properly for me? :3

[The Kievan People]

1. Coilguns are not promising weapons. Switching the coils on and off is too difficult at the power levels they would need to operate at.

2. Absolute energy requirements are not the main problem, a tank engine already produces enough energy to support an EM gun without serious problems. Batteries are not a significant bottleneck either, but their power density (rate they can release energy) is not even remotely suitable to power a railgun shot. The electrical storage systems that can release energy at sufficient speed suffer from terrible energy density (only a tiny fraction of batteries) and are far too large to fit inside a tank. Current naval railgun prototypes need electrical machinery that is the size of several tanks to function, and their muzzle energy is not much better than a high performance tank gun.

One of the leading candidates right now for a railguns pulsed power supply is super-high performance flywheels. Batteries would probably included as an intermediate stage between the generator (tanks engine) and the pulsed power system that actually fires the gun for practical reasons, but they are not the bottleneck.

[New Vihenia]

Battery or capacitor ?

[Rich and Corporations]

Mix of east and west ex western crew comfort and protection and eastern ruggedness and affordibility

"Eastern design philosophy" is not directly related to crew comfort. The latest T-90 mods have air conditioning and suchlike.

http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html

Current naval railgun prototypes need electrical machinery that is the size of several tanks to function, and their muzzle energy is not much better than a high performance tank gun.

Kiev, not sure if...

The advantage of railguns is that they have less parasitic mass than chemical energy guns.

The ammunition is still smaller for 120 mm ETC guns though right?

It is.

But the electrical equipment will probably consume more space than the entire ammunition load. So it is a bit of a moot point.

The advantage of realistic ETC ignition type guns is "hot" muzzle velocity at all temperatures.

[Allanea]

http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html

Are you serious.

[Rich and Corporations]

http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.gr/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html

Are you serious.

You did read the article, didn't you?

It goes over why American design philosphy is best philosophy.

[Tulacia]

As promised, the first of Tulacia's light tank class.
http://imgur.com/EuD3qYY

I'd also like to note that this tank is based off of several WWII tank designs. The hull comes from the early German Panzers, and the turret from the Sherman. The track system is loosely based on the WWI-vintage French FT-17.

[Tulacia]

Next in Tulacia's light tank line:
http://imgur.com/Dtwi3iP

Armor: 25mm/25mm/25mm
Armament: Armader 37mm Autocannon, Light Tank Model 1 and coaxial .303-inch MG in turret; .303-inch MG in hull
Speed: 40mph

Design is based on the cast, "egg-shaped" hull of the M4A1 Sherman, turret is based on the AMX 13 series.
This same tank is later on used as a TD which looks more like the real AMX by moving the turret to the rear of the hull, and mounting a 75mm howitzer.

[Vetok]

Ok, here is my Frankenstein/bastard child medium tank Storm Warrior.

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I don't have any stats for it, and I'm pretty sure it is not a 1px=1cm scale. Could anyone recommend how thick the armor is, speed, and what gun it is.

And maybe scale it properly for me? :3

Getting a very Centurion-ish vibe to it. As for speed, armour and gun, look at the list of NS tanks in the OP and see how many people face a similar situation to you and what effect that has had on their tanks.

[Allanea]

Are you serious.

You did read the article, didn't you?

It goes over why American design philosphy is best philosophy.

Any article that imagines Iraqi T-72s are representative of Soviet tank design is not worth listening to.

[Tulacia]

Not Iraqi-modified T-72's, but definitely Soviet T-72's that went unmodified by Iraq.