Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Allanea]

Whom is your nation more likely to fight?

[Korva]

Cage armor is all basically the same. It works very well for stopping lightweight shoulder fired rockets. Kind of useless against everything else. For that purpose it is basically as good as it gets, alternatives are all much heavier/more expensive or both.

The question boils down to: What kind of weapons do you want to stop?

I don't know, what kind of weapons would I face on NS?

Depends on who you RP with but the stereotype would probably be 140mm ETC guns on tanks with 2m thick frontal armor.

[Allanea]

3m frontal if Nakil.

[Stormwind-City]

Nations of similar size, or in coalitions against very large countries.

[Allanea]

Do you expect those nations to have organized, well-equipped armies, or do you expect to mostly fight rebel groups and the like?

[Stormwind-City]

I expect to face Countries with a reasonable, trained, volunteer forces, but who would enact a limited draft if things were getting desperate.

[Allanea]

Then you should research what sort of weapons well-equipped militaries are expected to field, and attempt to defend against them.

[Stormwind-City]

Could you use reactive armor with a cage system?

[Talon Independent Nation]

Where's that 3D tank someone made?

Random 3D tank reporting for duty.

[Spodystan]

How effective do you think my T72's and T90's 125mm guns would be against NS tanks

[Spirit of Hope]

How effective do you think my T72's and T90's 125mm guns would be against NS tanks

Fairly effective. I mean one of the problems is those are passable RL guns, which means they will probably do fine against RL tanks used on NS. However if you are facing indigenous NS design they probably are going to fair a little worse, mostly because NS designs paint on the armor. I wouldn't worry to much about it.

[Spodystan]

How effective do you think my T72's and T90's 125mm guns would be against NS tanks

Fairly effective. I mean one of the problems is those are passable RL guns, which means they will probably do fine against RL tanks used on NS. However if you are facing indigenous NS design they probably are going to fair a little worse, mostly because NS designs paint on the armor. I wouldn't worry to much about it.

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

[Doppio Giudici]

How effective do you think my T72's and T90's 125mm guns would be against NS tanks

I think you would be fine against most small nations, but for the larger ones you might need something larger unless you want to go for side or rear armor.

Or use air-support.

[Allanea]

Fairly effective. I mean one of the problems is those are passable RL guns, which means they will probably do fine against RL tanks used on NS. However if you are facing indigenous NS design they probably are going to fair a little worse, mostly because NS designs paint on the armor. I wouldn't worry to much about it.

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

I for one use the 2A83 152mm. It is a reasonably high-penetration, RL, tank gun.

Or you could use some kind of 140mm ETC technology or something.

[Spirit of Hope]

Fairly effective. I mean one of the problems is those are passable RL guns, which means they will probably do fine against RL tanks used on NS. However if you are facing indigenous NS design they probably are going to fair a little worse, mostly because NS designs paint on the armor. I wouldn't worry to much about it.

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

Well my NS answer is having "tank destroyers" armed with over the horizon top attack ATGMs., to supplement my existing tanks.

140mm and 120mmETC guns should be able to engage NS tanks reliably, anyone who claims their tank is proof against those probably has a slow monstrosity that wouldn't be to hard to figure out ways around.

[United Marxist Nations]

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

Well my NS answer is having "tank destroyers" armed with over the horizon top attack ATGMs., to supplement my existing tanks.

140mm and 120mmETC guns should be able to engage NS tanks reliably, anyone who claims their tank is proof against those probably has a slow monstrosity that wouldn't be to hard to figure out ways around.

You're making me feel inadequate with my Challenger 1's.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

I for one use the 2A83 152mm. It is a reasonably high-penetration, RL, tank gun.

Or you could use some kind of 140mm ETC technology or something.

Honestly I would have to agree here, if you wanna kill an NS tank you need a huge gun. Even assuming realistic armour levels (how the fuck does the Nakil have 3 meters frontal armour?) a 120/125 mm conventional gun will be inadequate against the 70-90 ton monsters if you aim for the frontal turret or upper glacis. That being said, you could probably punch through the lower glacis and certainly punch through the sides and rear.

[The Akasha Colony]

What would you recommend using to take on a indigenous NS tank

Well my NS answer is having "tank destroyers" armed with over the horizon top attack ATGMs., to supplement my existing tanks.

140mm and 120mmETC guns should be able to engage NS tanks reliably, anyone who claims their tank is proof against those probably has a slow monstrosity that wouldn't be to hard to figure out ways around.

The penetration performance of these guns may not be as high as claimed. Especially not against NS grade armor arrays with duplex ERA and such.

While nothing more than a very rough approximation, ignoring any potential for more exotic penetrator types, all of the available calculators indicate a linear increase in penetration for a geometric increase in muzzle energy. By and large though this is relatively safe since exotic penetrators are far rarer than exotic guns.

[Padnak]

I use M-84s (Yugoslavian clones of the T-72 fitted with improved electronics) up gunned with 130mm locally developed guns that (to the best of my knowledge) could pen almost any (reasonable) NS tank

Sadly those M-84s are only for my armoured and mechinzed divisions, with the rest of my army getting T-52s/62s and Type-59s/69s

[Spodystan]

I am designing a indigenous main battle tank ( the M13 Phalanx) with 6in frontal armor and a 130mm etc gun how do you think that would compare to another NS tank

[United Marxist Nations]

What would be the feasibility of changing out the Challenger 1's gun for a 120mm ETC? Would it be worth it?

[Padnak]

I am designing a indigenous main battle tank ( the M13 Phalanx) with 6in frontal armor and a 130mm etc gun how do you think that would compare to another NS tank

What design philosophy does it fallow? Eastern or western?

[The Akasha Colony]

I am designing a indigenous main battle tank ( the M13 Phalanx) with 6in frontal armor and a 130mm etc gun how do you think that would compare to another NS tank

6 inches of armor is paper. The forward turret armor of the current-generation M1 Abrams is close to a meter at its thickest.

What would be the feasibility of changing out the Challenger 1's gun for a 120mm ETC? Would it be worth it?

You would probably have to replace the entire turret, and make changes to the interior to fit the power systems.

[Spodystan]

I use M-84s (Yugoslavian clones of the T-72 fitted with improved electronics) up gunned with 130mm locally developed guns that (to the best of my knowledge) could pen almost any (reasonable) NS tank

Sadly those M-84s are only for my armoured and mechinzed divisions, with the rest of my army getting T-52s/62s and Type-59s/69s

I hear you my upgraded T72's and T90's are currently only deployed in the elite army and presidential guards units while regular army,marine and reserve units use upgraded/upguned T55's and T62's hopefully when the phalanx enters service in large numbers the T72's and T90's can be moved down and the T55/62's retired.

[Padnak]

:rofl:

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