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Tulacia
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Postby Tulacia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:34 am

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Vancon wrote:
On drawing.

I'd certainly appreciate it, however, I use a program that is only available on my Chromebook, called Sumopaint.
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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:38 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.


You should have both, actually. SPGs can emplace and displace faster, but towed artillery can be quickly deployed by helicopter to locations that may be inaccessible (or not easily accessible) by road, as well as air-dropped to support airborne operations.

Britain's a good example - heavy degrees of mechanisation, but also using towed lighter weapons to support commando operations.
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Bratislavskaya
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Postby Bratislavskaya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:45 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.


You should have both, actually. SPGs can emplace and displace faster, but towed artillery can be quickly deployed by helicopter to locations that may be inaccessible (or not easily accessible) by road, as well as air-dropped to support airborne operations.

Well I was thinking of using the BMD based SPG's for airborne troops, which I'm pretty sure are air-dropable.
Edit: 2S25 Sprut-SD, and the 2S9 Nona were what I was thinking of.
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:35 am

Yukonastan wrote:This is tanksharp. It allows you to numerically design a tank.

It's very handy. Does all the calculations for you.


This is cool.

More importantly it confirms I got my weight estimate right on the nose! :lol:
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Postby Stormwind-City » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:42 am

Hi everyone, this is my first time posting, so I might ask some really ignorant questions. First, how effective are armor cages at stopping HEAT? Second, are there designs that are more effective you could recommend to me? Third, would it be feasible/reasonable to have an IFV/recon vehicle with two axles and eight wheels for better traction, or use wider tires? Fourth, are rounded turrets more effective for bouncing shots or are angled
turrets?
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:47 am

Stormwind-City wrote:Hi everyone, this is my first time posting, so I might ask some really ignorant questions. First, how effective are armor cages at stopping HEAT? Second, are there designs that are more effective you could recommend to me? Third, would it be feasible/reasonable to have an IFV/recon vehicle with two axles and eight wheels for better traction, or use wider tires? Fourth, are rounded turrets more effective for bouncing shots or are angled
turrets?

What cage armour is actually intended to do is either physically damage a HEAT warhead before it detonates, or force it to detonate outside its optimal "standoff distance" - the HEAT round generates a "jet" of material, and it needs to detonate a certain distance from the target to properly form. Too close and it won't correctly form, too far and it may lose energy and coherence.
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Postby The Kievan People » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:54 am

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Postby Stormwind-City » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:58 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Hi everyone, this is my first time posting, so I might ask some really ignorant questions. First, how effective are armor cages at stopping HEAT? Second, are there designs that are more effective you could recommend to me? Third, would it be feasible/reasonable to have an IFV/recon vehicle with two axles and eight wheels for better traction, or use wider tires? Fourth, are rounded turrets more effective for bouncing shots or are angled
turrets?

What cage armour is actually intended to do is either physically damage a HEAT warhead before it detonates, or force it to detonate outside its optimal "standoff distance" - the HEAT round generates a "jet" of material, and it needs to detonate a certain distance from the target to properly form. Too close and it won't correctly form, too far and it may lose energy and coherence.

Are there designs that are better than others?
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Postby Novorden » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:37 pm

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The ASTER 30 is lot bigger than I thought, assuming i have got the dimensions right.

Also WIP truck

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Padnak
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Postby Padnak » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:00 pm

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Remove capitalizt ships
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Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.

Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.

Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.

Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.

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Postby Stormwind-City » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:28 pm

Can someone please answer my questions?
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Korva
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Postby Korva » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:32 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:Can someone please answer my questions?

Many recon vehicles have 6 wheels but the middle two are unpowered and can be lowered for cross country travel.

Modern tanks don't really "bounce" projectiles but composite armor works better with flat surfaces.

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The Greater Luthorian Empire
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:01 pm

Yukonastan wrote:This is tanksharp. It allows you to numerically design a tank.

It's very handy. Does all the calculations for you.

What the hell is propellant length and overall length? It already lists case length and propellant length is around 3 meters for the default gun making me wonder what the hell it means since it isn't the length of the case or the entire catridge.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:02 pm

Padnak wrote:(Image)

Remove capitalizt ships



This is amazing art.
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Stormwind-City
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Postby Stormwind-City » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:13 pm

Korva wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Can someone please answer my questions?

Many recon vehicles have 6 wheels but the middle two are unpowered and can be lowered for cross country travel.

Modern tanks don't really "bounce" projectiles but composite armor works better with flat surfaces.

Couldn't you use molded ceramics, or is there something I am misunderstanding?
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:44 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:Couldn't you use molded ceramics, or is there something I am misunderstanding?


Cage armor is all basically the same. It works very well for stopping lightweight shoulder fired rockets. Kind of useless against everything else. For that purpose it is basically as good as it gets, alternatives are all much heavier/more expensive or both.

The question boils down to: What kind of weapons do you want to stop?
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Postby Padnak » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:55 pm

Allanea wrote:
Padnak wrote:(Image)

Remove capitalizt ships



This is amazing art.


Korva impresses me

he really does
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Have a sharp blade, and a sharper mind!
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San-Silvacian: Aug 11, 2011-Mar 20, 2015
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.

Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.

Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.

Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.

The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.

Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.

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Allanea
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Postby Allanea » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:58 pm

Korva is awesome.

This is great lineart.
#HyperEarthBestEarth

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Korva
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Postby Korva » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:00 pm

Allanea wrote:Korva is awesome.

This is great lineart.

Most of that was drawn by the guy I credited. I merely recolored and modified the chassis before drawing the Moskit tubes.

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Postby Padnak » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:01 pm

Korva wrote:
Allanea wrote:Korva is awesome.

This is great lineart.

Most of that was drawn by the guy I credited. I merely recolored and modified the chassis before drawing the Moskit tubes.


shhhhhhh

its ok

:hug:

we love you
"มีใบมีดคมและจิตใจที่คมชัด!"
Have a sharp blade, and a sharper mind!
Need weapons for dubious purposes? Buy Padarm today!
San-Silvacian: Aug 11, 2011-Mar 20, 2015
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.

Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.

Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.

Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.

The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.

Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.

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Korva
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Postby Korva » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:03 pm

Padnak wrote:
Korva wrote:Most of that was drawn by the guy I credited. I merely recolored and modified the chassis before drawing the Moskit tubes.


shhhhhhh

its ok

:hug:

we love you

:)

I just didn't want to give the wrong impression.

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:03 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:This is tanksharp. It allows you to numerically design a tank.

It's very handy. Does all the calculations for you.

What the hell is propellant length and overall length? It already lists case length and propellant length is around 3 meters for the default gun making me wonder what the hell it means since it isn't the length of the case or the entire catridge.

stardestroyer is a forum of trolls. I wouldn't really take their stuff too seriously.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Korva wrote:
Allanea wrote:Korva is awesome.

This is great lineart.

Most of that was drawn by the guy I credited. I merely recolored and modified the chassis before drawing the Moskit tubes.


Still more than I can do.

I have done, I think, exactly two linearts in my time in NS.

A drawing of a knife, and a drawing of a slightly-modified MPL-50 shovel.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:16 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Couldn't you use molded ceramics, or is there something I am misunderstanding?


Cage armor is all basically the same. It works very well for stopping lightweight shoulder fired rockets. Kind of useless against everything else. For that purpose it is basically as good as it gets, alternatives are all much heavier/more expensive or both.

The question boils down to: What kind of weapons do you want to stop?

I don't know, what kind of weapons would I face on NS?
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