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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:17 am

Allanea wrote:I just broadly assume that the tank guns of NS tanks have a reasonable chance at penetrating my tanks from the front.


And try to shoot at these tanks as soon as possible so as little of them make it to shooting my tanks from the front as possible.

Pretty much the same with me. NS guns can pen pretty much anything from the front at least at close ranges, and even if they can't there is always the lower front hull, so unless you plan on remaining hull down for the entire war you can still be killed from the front.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:26 am

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Our advances in technology, software programs, and maintenance routines negate the problems and we didn't put the T-028 into service until all the kinks and problems were addressed. Plus we really don't use the 028 because after a string of B-52 train sorties and some artillery for good measures most enemy defense our "soft" enough for infantry and light assault vehicles to mop up any survivors.

It offers increased wear and weight for no meaningful improvement in the rate of fire.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:49 am

Only need for twin barrels: when you have two autocannons for anti-aircraft purposes.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:50 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:Only need for twin barrels: when you have two autocannons for anti-aircraft purposes.

Or two howitzers for artillery purposes.
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Postby Korouse » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:59 am

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Rich and Corporations wrote:Only need for twin barrels: when you have two autocannons for anti-aircraft purposes.

Or two howitzers for artillery purposes.

or cool looks.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:01 am

Two guns is a useful way to distinguish between command and grunt tanks.
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Postby Immoren » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:22 am

Am I wrong, but couldn't tank with carousel autoloader and whole crew in hull with unmanned turret be more survivable in case of catastrophic ammunition explosion, that than carousel autoloader with "traditional" crewlayout+manned turret, because you could then put bulkhead between crew and ammo. Or have I misunderstood how layouts of tanks with crew in hull work?
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:26 am

Hasmonea wrote:It would be nice to see Kiev OP for once. Always been among the front runners, anyway.

Although if Anemos gets reelected for the third time I figure he should just as well be declared OP for life. :P


Kiev ought to be OP next time, and I'll be voting for him accordingly.

I'll be disqualifying myself next time, and most likely CTE soon after.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:34 am

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Hasmonea wrote:It would be nice to see Kiev OP for once. Always been among the front runners, anyway.

Although if Anemos gets reelected for the third time I figure he should just as well be declared OP for life. :P


Kiev ought to be OP next time, and I'll be voting for him accordingly.

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Postby Bratislavskaya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:35 am

Would there be disadvantages to having my artillery composed entirely of Rocket trucks (Eg BM-21) and SPG's?
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Postby Spodystan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:40 am

Would you recommend using a 120mm or 125mm main gun for the m13 phalanx indigenous main battle tank that I'm designing.

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Postby Padnak » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:40 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:Would there be disadvantages to having my artillery composed entirely of Rocket trucks (Eg BM-21) and SPG's?


Lack of accurate long range fire and expensive ammunition-
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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:05 am

Spodystan wrote:Would you recommend using a 120mm or 125mm main gun for the m13 phalanx indigenous main battle tank that I'm designing.

Probably 125mm if you increase shell length proportionally and you can keep the muzzle-velocity roughly the same.
The main argument I would personally make against 125mm is the range of ammunition available for 120mm systems, but if you can recreate those for your own 125mm gun, then that point becomes moot.
I guess that 125mm would cause an increase in cannon, charge and ammunition weight and size, but not a drastic increase.

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Postby Spodystan » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:09 am

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Spodystan wrote:Would you recommend using a 120mm or 125mm main gun for the m13 phalanx indigenous main battle tank that I'm designing.

Probably 125mm if you increase shell length proportionally and you can keep the muzzle-velocity roughly the same.
The main argument I would personally make against 125mm is the range of ammunition available for 120mm systems, but if you can recreate those for your own 125mm gun, then that point becomes moot.
I guess that 125mm would cause an increase in cannon, charge and ammunition weight and size, but not a drastic increase.

Thanks I was also thinking about using the 125mm just because I already got T72's and T90's armed with it.

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Postby Kouralia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:11 am

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:22 am

Spodystan wrote:Would you recommend using a 120mm or 125mm main gun for the m13 phalanx indigenous main battle tank that I'm designing.

There is no functional difference. If you accept the origins of those two gun calibres (NATO versus Warsaw Pact) then your only real reasoning behind choosing either would be political reasons.

If those influences do not exist (hence, you're developing your own rounds, technically from scratch), there is no reason to choose one over the other.
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Postby Bratislavskaya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:47 am

Padnak wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Would there be disadvantages to having my artillery composed entirely of Rocket trucks (Eg BM-21) and SPG's?


Lack of accurate long range fire and expensive ammunition-

Why is that?
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Postby Padnak » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:48 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Padnak wrote:
Lack of accurate long range fire and expensive ammunition-

Why is that?


most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive
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Postby Immoren » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:53 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:Would there be disadvantages to having my artillery composed entirely of Rocket trucks (Eg BM-21) and SPG's?


Probably not.
Depending on what kind of troops you've amnd doctrine.

Padnak wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Why is that?


most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive


Bratislavskaya wrote:Would there be disadvantages to having my artillery composed entirely of Rocket trucks (Eg BM-21) and SPG's?
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Postby Bratislavskaya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:05 am

Padnak wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Why is that?


most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive

Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.
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Postby Proskoya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:15 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Padnak wrote:
most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive

Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.

Towed is cheaper while SPGs get into the battle faster. I would say it depends on your doctrine as well, as you would probably want to use SPGs if you are offensively oriented.
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Postby Bratislavskaya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:17 am

Proskoya wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.

Towed is cheaper while SPGs get into the battle faster. I would say it depends on your doctrine as well, as you would probably want to use SPGs if you are offensively oriented.

Okay, SPG's it is.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:19 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Padnak wrote:
most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive

Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.


You should have both, actually. SPGs can emplace and displace faster, but towed artillery can be quickly deployed by helicopter to locations that may be inaccessible (or not easily accessible) by road, as well as air-dropped to support airborne operations.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:20 am

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Padnak wrote:
most rocket artillery is quite inaccurate (makes up for it with extremely rapid barrages) and rockets can be quite expensive

Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.

http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
^relevant guide to Soviet organization, enter pg#79 for example Artillery Regiment; basically, assuming Soviet equipment and doctrine you're looking at 2-3 artillery battalions per MLRS battalion.

As for SPGs versus towed units, it's mainly a matter of cost and training. I would recommend equipping front-line Divisions with SPGs, and putting towed artillery in lower-grade units, Army/Front-level artillery groupings, and airborne units (again, assuming a large, heavy airborne force); even in the former two, however, you'd likely be better off using last-gen SPGs.

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Postby Proskoya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:22 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:Yes, I would have self propelled guns (SPG's) too, to make up for the shortcomings of the Rockets. Should I have regular artillery or Self Propelled guns? Because I will definitely have one battalion of Rockets, as well as either towed or self propelled guns.


You should have both, actually. SPGs can emplace and displace faster, but towed artillery can be quickly deployed by helicopter to locations that may be inaccessible (or not easily accessible) by road, as well as air-dropped to support airborne operations.

Forgot to mention ^this, yeah. It's a good reason why much of my artillery will be towed.
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