Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[The Kievan People]

There's nothing forced about MilBagger.

I wouldn't accuse you of forcing it.

Others...

[Gallia-]

I'm starting to feel angry that the fucking thing keeps appearing in this thread.

I agree with this Good Lad.

[Yukonastan]

Padnak, Vancon, we've had our fun with the damn baggers on here, now have some fun in II or GEaT.

[Padnak]

Padnak, Vancon, we've had our fun with the damn baggers on here, now have some fun in II or GEaT.

hey man, I keep trying to stop the bagger madness and its Vancon who keeps dragging me back

[Vancon]

Padnak, Vancon, we've had our fun with the damn baggers on here, now have some fun in II or GEaT.

Alright, the Era of the Bagger is over. We'll just come up with some other idea. Which we might be doing right now.

[Padnak]

Padnak, Vancon, we've had our fun with the damn baggers on here, now have some fun in II or GEaT.

Alright, the Era of the Bagger is over. We'll just come up with some other idea. Which we might be doing right now.

I'M NOT BLOODY PART OF THIS!

[Vancon]

Alright, the Era of the Bagger is over. We'll just come up with some other idea. Which we might be doing right now.

I'M NOT BLOODY PART OF THIS!

So you say.

[Korouse]

Alright, the Era of the Bagger is over. We'll just come up with some other idea. Which we might be doing right now.

I'M NOT BLOODY PART OF THIS!

How do you do the tracks on a tank?

I'm stuck.

[New Vihenia]

I wonder if i can force something...But what

[Korouse]

(Image)
This is the T-028 the main battle tank for the AMA military. Planners decided to make a hard hitting tank to over run and over power the enemy defenses.

No way in hell...

It does look cool though, what's that model from?

[The Soodean Imperium]

(Image)
This is the T-028 the main battle tank for the AMA military. Planners decided to make a hard hitting tank to over run and over power the enemy defenses.

No way in hell...

It does look cool though, what's that model from?

http://mmzone.co.kr/album/sm_view.php?id=31156
Model's on this site, though the description is in Korean. The title seems to claim that it's an "M61A6 TUSK," which after a little further investigation is an upgrade of a fictional MBT from the "Gundam" series - also known for its giant fighting robots.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

I wonder if i can force something...But what

Of course you can force something. Just keep bringing it up no matter how many times people tell you your idea is stupid and uninteresting. Start forcing the idea of MT pike nosed tanks.

[Deutsche Demokratische Volksstaat]

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $4,000,000 NSD
Weight: 47.5 tonnes

• with ERA: 50 tonnes

Length:

• Hull: 6.91 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.78 m

Width:

• Tracks: 3.48 m
• Sideskirts: 3.68 m

Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.19 m
• RWS: 2.54 m

Crew: 3

---

Armor: Rolled Homogeneous Steel and Composite (Steel, Rubber and Titanium with Spacing)

• Appliqué: Slat, Composite, ERA, and NERA

Protection (without ERA):

• Turret Front: 120mm KE, 155mm CE
• Turret Front Side: 120mm KE, 140mm CE
• Turret Side: 75mm KE, 90mm CE
• Turret Roof: 30mm KE, Bomblets

• Glacis: 105mm KE, 120mm CE
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm KE, 90mm CE
• Hull Side: 30mm KE, 60mm CE

• Bottom: 8 kg TNT

Soft Countermeasures:

• Engine Exhaust Smoke Generator
• 2 x 8 Grenade Launchers
• 2 x Infrared Dazzlers

---

Main Armament: 125mm KwK 90 L/48 Smoothbore Gun

• Rate of Fire: 8 rpm
• Traverse: 360°
• Traverse Rate: 40°/s
• Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
• Elevation Rate: 20°/s
• Ammunition Stowage
  • Carousel: 22 Rounds, Ready
  • Bustle: 18 Rounds, Reserve

Secondary Armament:

• 7.62mm PKT Coaxial Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 40°/s
  • Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
  • Elevation Rate: 20°/s
  • Ammunition: 2,000 Rounds Linkless Feed
• 14.5mm KPVT Remote Weapon Station Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 60°/s
  • Elevation: +60° to -5°
  • Elevation Rate: 30°/s
  • Ammunition: 3 x 200-Round Boxed Belt

---

Sensors:

• Gunner's Sight
  • Optical: 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x Magnification
  • Thermal: 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x, 32x Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: 2-Plane
• Commander's Independent Panoramic Sight
  • Optical: 2x, 4x, 8x Magnification
  • Thermal: 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: 2-Plane
• Gunner's Backup Sight
  • Optical: 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Vertical Plane
• Driver's Sight
  • Optical: 2x Magnification
  • Thermal: 2x Magnification
• Gunnery Aids
  • Muzzle Reference Sensor
  • Crosswind Sensor
• Defensive Aids
  • 4 x Laser Warning Receivers with 360° Coverage
• Others
  • Commander: Vision Blocks with 360° Coverage
  • Driver: Vision Blocks with 120° Coverage, Rearview Camera, Inertial Navigation System

---

Auxiliary Power Unit: 17 kW V4 Multifuel Diesel
Engine: 1,400 hp Liquid Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power/Weight Ratio: 29.47 hp/ton
Transmission: Semi-Automatic (6 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
Suspension: Hybrid

• Hydropneumatic: Roadwheels 1, 2, and 6
• Torsion Bar: Roadwheels 3, 4, and 5

Ground Clearance: 0.49 m
Fuel Capacity: 1,200 L
Operational Range: 500 km

• with 2 x 200 L Fuel Drums: 670 km

Speed:

• Road: 70 km/h (Governed)
• Reverse: 35 km/h
• Cross-Country: 45 km/h (Average)

Acceleration: 0 to 32km/h in 7s

[Korouse]

Have a tanku.

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $4,000,000 NSD
Variants: KPz 72G(K), KPz 72GM, KPz 72GM(K)
Weight: 47.5 tonnes

• with ERA: 49.5 tonnes

Length:

• Hull: 6.91 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.53 m

Width:

• Tracks: 3.48 m
• Sideskirts: 3.68 m

Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.19 m
• RWS: 2.54 m

Crew: 3

---

Armor: Steel and Composite (Steel, Rubber and Titanium with Air Gap)

• Appliqué: Slat, Steel, Composite, ERA, and NERA

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

• Bottom: 8 kg TNT

Soft Countermeasures:

• Engine Exhaust Smoke Generator
• Electro-Optical Countermeasures Defensive Aids Suite
  • 2 x 8 Smoke Dischargers
  • 2 x Infrared Dazzlers
• Multispectral Camouflage Net

---

Main Armament: 125mm KwK 90 L/48 Smoothbore Gun

• Rate of Fire: 8 rpm
• Traverse: 360°
• Traverse Rate: 40°/s
• Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
• Elevation Rate: 10°/s
• Ammunition Stowage
  • Carousel: 22 Rounds, Ready
  • Bustle with Blowoff Panels: 18 Rounds, Reserve

Secondary Armament:

• 7.62mm MG-KP Coaxial Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 40°/s
  • Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
  • Elevation Rate: 10°/s
  • Ammunition: 2,000 Rounds
• 14.5mm MG-VP Remote Weapon Station Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 60°/s
  • Elevation: +60° to -5°
  • Elevation Rate: 30°/s
  • Ammunition: 400 Rounds

---

Sensors:

• Gunner's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x, 24x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Commander's Independent Panoramic Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Common Secondary Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Vertical Axis
• Driver's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x Magnification
• Gunnery Aids
  • Muzzle Reference Sensor
  • Crosswind Sensor
• Defensive Aids
  • 4 x Laser Warning Receivers with 360° Coverage
• Others
  • Commander: Periscopes with 360° Coverage
  • Driver: Vision Ports with 180° Coverage, Rearview Camera, and Inertial Navigation System

---

Auxiliary Power Unit: 10 kW Air Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Engine: 1,400 hp Liquid Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power/Weight Ratio: 29.47 hp/ton
Transmission: Semi-Automatic (5 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
Suspension: Hybrid

• Hydropneumatic: Roadwheels 1, 2, and 6
• Torsion Bar: Roadwheels 3, 4, and 5

Ground Clearance: 0.49 m
Fuel Capacity: 1,200 L
Operational Range: 500 km

• with 2 x 200 L Fuel Drums: 670 km

Speed:

• Road: 70 km/h (Governed)
• Reverse: 35 km/h
• Cross-Country: 45 km/h (Average)

Acceleration: 0 to 32km/h in 7s

0/10 no picksure.

[Yukonastan]

Have a tanku.

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $4,000,000 NSD
Variants: KPz 72G(K), KPz 72GM, KPz 72GM(K)
Weight: 47.5 tonnes

• with ERA: 49.5 tonnes

Length:

• Hull: 6.91 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.53 m

Width:

• Tracks: 3.48 m
• Sideskirts: 3.68 m

Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.19 m
• RWS: 2.54 m

Crew: 3

---

Armor: Steel and Composite (Steel, Rubber and Titanium with Air Gap)

• Appliqué: Slat, Steel, Composite, ERA, and NERA

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

• Bottom: 8 kg TNT

Soft Countermeasures:

• Engine Exhaust Smoke Generator
• Electro-Optical Countermeasures Defensive Aids Suite
  • 2 x 8 Smoke Dischargers
  • 2 x Infrared Dazzlers
• Multispectral Camouflage Net

---

Main Armament: 125mm KwK 90 L/48 Smoothbore Gun

• Rate of Fire: 8 rpm
• Traverse: 360°
• Traverse Rate: 40°/s
• Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
• Elevation Rate: 10°/s
• Ammunition Stowage
  • Carousel: 22 Rounds, Ready
  • Bustle with Blowoff Panels: 18 Rounds, Reserve

Secondary Armament:

• 7.62mm MG-KP Coaxial Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 40°/s
  • Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
  • Elevation Rate: 10°/s
  • Ammunition: 2,000 Rounds
• 14.5mm MG-VP Remote Weapon Station Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 60°/s
  • Elevation: +60° to -5°
  • Elevation Rate: 30°/s
  • Ammunition: 400 Rounds

---

Sensors:

• Gunner's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x, 24x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Commander's Independent Panoramic Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Common Secondary Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Vertical Axis
• Driver's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x Magnification
• Gunnery Aids
  • Muzzle Reference Sensor
  • Crosswind Sensor
• Defensive Aids
  • 4 x Laser Warning Receivers with 360° Coverage
• Others
  • Commander: Periscopes with 360° Coverage
  • Driver: Vision Ports with 180° Coverage, Rearview Camera, and Inertial Navigation System

---

Auxiliary Power Unit: 10 kW Air Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Engine: 1,400 hp Liquid Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power/Weight Ratio: 29.47 hp/ton
Transmission: Semi-Automatic (5 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
Suspension: Hybrid

• Hydropneumatic: Roadwheels 1, 2, and 6
• Torsion Bar: Roadwheels 3, 4, and 5

Ground Clearance: 0.49 m
Fuel Capacity: 1,200 L
Operational Range: 500 km

• with 2 x 200 L Fuel Drums: 670 km

Speed:

• Road: 70 km/h (Governed)
• Reverse: 35 km/h
• Cross-Country: 45 km/h (Average)

Acceleration: 0 to 32km/h in 7s

0/10 would not hunt Kpz Leopard 1A1 with.

[Deutsche Demokratische Volksstaat]

Have a tanku.

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $4,000,000 NSD
Variants: KPz 72G(K), KPz 72GM, KPz 72GM(K)
Weight: 47.5 tonnes

• with ERA: 49.5 tonnes

Length:

• Hull: 6.91 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.53 m

Width:

• Tracks: 3.48 m
• Sideskirts: 3.68 m

Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.19 m
• RWS: 2.54 m

Crew: 3

---

Armor: Steel and Composite (Steel, Rubber and Titanium with Air Gap)

• Appliqué: Slat, Steel, Composite, ERA, and NERA

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

• Bottom: 8 kg TNT

Soft Countermeasures:

• Engine Exhaust Smoke Generator
• Electro-Optical Countermeasures Defensive Aids Suite
  • 2 x 8 Smoke Dischargers
  • 2 x Infrared Dazzlers
• Multispectral Camouflage Net

---

Main Armament: 125mm KwK 90 L/48 Smoothbore Gun

• Rate of Fire: 8 rpm
• Traverse: 360°
• Traverse Rate: 40°/s
• Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
• Elevation Rate: 10°/s
• Ammunition Stowage
  • Carousel: 22 Rounds, Ready
  • Bustle with Blowoff Panels: 18 Rounds, Reserve

Secondary Armament:

• 7.62mm MG-KP Coaxial Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 40°/s
  • Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
  • Elevation Rate: 10°/s
  • Ammunition: 2,000 Rounds
• 14.5mm MG-VP Remote Weapon Station Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 60°/s
  • Elevation: +60° to -5°
  • Elevation Rate: 30°/s
  • Ammunition: 400 Rounds

---

Sensors:

• Gunner's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x, 24x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Commander's Independent Panoramic Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Common Secondary Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Vertical Axis
• Driver's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x Magnification
• Gunnery Aids
  • Muzzle Reference Sensor
  • Crosswind Sensor
• Defensive Aids
  • 4 x Laser Warning Receivers with 360° Coverage
• Others
  • Commander: Periscopes with 360° Coverage
  • Driver: Vision Ports with 180° Coverage, Rearview Camera, and Inertial Navigation System

---

Auxiliary Power Unit: 10 kW Air Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Engine: 1,400 hp Liquid Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power/Weight Ratio: 29.47 hp/ton
Transmission: Semi-Automatic (5 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
Suspension: Hybrid

• Hydropneumatic: Roadwheels 1, 2, and 6
• Torsion Bar: Roadwheels 3, 4, and 5

Ground Clearance: 0.49 m
Fuel Capacity: 1,200 L
Operational Range: 500 km

• with 2 x 200 L Fuel Drums: 670 km

Speed:

• Road: 70 km/h (Governed)
• Reverse: 35 km/h
• Cross-Country: 45 km/h (Average)

Acceleration: 0 to 32km/h in 7s

0/10 no picksure.

:NS:

Edit: Seriously if you want a 'picture' go lookup T-90MS or something. That's what it vaguely is in that its also a souped up T-72 that stores reserve ammunitions in the bustle.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

Honestly this is how armour should be done on NS instead of just making up random numbers without considering the actual thickness or overall weight of the armour. Also more useful for RP purposes anyway, doesn't require that everyone memorize the penetration values of their guns at various distances. Just look at its protection, look at your weapon, is weapon>protection weapon wins. Simplified, but honestly simplicity is best for NS.

Plus there are very few people on NS I trust to make accurate estimates of what kind of armour their tanks could have.

[Yukonastan]

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

Honestly this is how armour should be done on NS instead of just making up random numbers without considering the actual thickness or overall weight of the armour. Also more useful for RP purposes anyway, doesn't require that everyone memorize the penetration values of their guns at various distances. Just look at its protection, look at your weapon, is weapon>protection weapon wins. Simplified, but honestly simplicity is best for NS.

Plus there are very few people on NS I trust to make accurate estimates of what kind of armour their tanks could have.

I'll have to googledrive that Tanksharp spreadsheet sometime, that's very useful for MBT design.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 60mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 30mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

Honestly this is how armour should be done on NS instead of just making up random numbers without considering the actual thickness or overall weight of the armour. Also more useful for RP purposes anyway, doesn't require that everyone memorize the penetration values of their guns at various distances. Just look at its protection, look at your weapon, is weapon>protection weapon wins. Simplified, but honestly simplicity is best for NS.

Plus there are very few people on NS I trust to make accurate estimates of what kind of armour their tanks could have.

This approach is a double-edged sword, though. Penetration has more to do than just caliber - look at the difference between M829 and M829A3 ammunition, not to mention the differences among various Soviet 125mm APFSDS. Plenty of modern tanks might be protected against, say, all-steel 125mm darts from early T-72s while vulnerable to the latest penetrators for the 105mm L7. "RHA equivalency" is a far from perfect measure, but one of its advantages is the ability to compare at least a general sense of the penetration capabilities of very different types of ammunition.

[Korouse]

Where's that 3D tank someone made?

[Yukonastan]

This is tanksharp. It allows you to numerically design a tank.

It's very handy. Does all the calculations for you.

[Deutsche Demokratische Volksstaat]

Its a rough guideline, which is less applicable with guns and munitions of above or below 'average' performance. Let us take the 90mm - 105mm - 120mm progression in tank gun calibers in the West. It will be noticed that where attempting to squeezing the most out of a given caliber (i.e. 105mm IWS APFSDS ~450mm @ 2,000m) penetration performance approach that of legacy ammunition of the next higher caliber (i.e. older 120mm rounds; M829 ~540mm @ 2,000m). Another comparison is Mecar's 90mm M690A1 (~300mm @ 2,000m) vs 105mm M735A1 (~300mm @ 2,000m), both APFSDS rounds.

In any case the figures were going off Western weaponry's calibers (thus no, not that the turret front reliably stops 120mm APFSDS while easily failing to weaker Soviet/Russian 125mm) which I imagine to be what this tanku is going to be shot at with mostly.

If one seek to be as accurate as possible I would suggest defining protection in terms of specific munitions that can be reliably (>= 90%) defeated which is AFAIK the case IRL. However this can be difficult on NS if the expected threats are not fixed and limited in number.

Edit: All in all probably a good enough approach for armchair generals like us IMO.

[New Vihenia]

This is tanksharp. It allows you to numerically design a tank.

It's very handy. Does all the calculations for you.

Thanks for the link.

This is interesting. Will work better somewhat with 3D models to get actual size and volumes for input.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Honestly this is how armour should be done on NS instead of just making up random numbers without considering the actual thickness or overall weight of the armour. Also more useful for RP purposes anyway, doesn't require that everyone memorize the penetration values of their guns at various distances. Just look at its protection, look at your weapon, is weapon>protection weapon wins. Simplified, but honestly simplicity is best for NS.

Plus there are very few people on NS I trust to make accurate estimates of what kind of armour their tanks could have.

This approach is a double-edged sword, though. Penetration has more to do than just caliber - look at the difference between M829 and M829A3 ammunition, not to mention the differences among various Soviet 125mm APFSDS. Plenty of modern tanks might be protected against, say, all-steel 125mm darts from early T-72s while vulnerable to the latest penetrators for the 105mm L7. "RHA equivalency" is a far from perfect measure, but one of its advantages is the ability to compare at least a general sense of the penetration capabilities of very different types of ammunition.

True, but it is better than saying "my tank has 1450 mm protection against KE and 2000 mm protection against CE" without actually calculating it. Honestly you don't need to list actual protection, Lyras doesn't, just state the composition, based off the weight, dimensions, and armour composition just guess whether it will penetrate. It is honestly about as reliable as making up armour figures.

[Allanea]

I just broadly assume that the tank guns of NS tanks have a reasonable chance at penetrating my tanks from the front.


And try to shoot at these tanks as soon as possible so as little of them make it to shooting my tanks from the front as possible.