Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Imperializt Russia]

But why wouldn't you just have your tanks go back and reload? As it is you are literally waisting the potential of a tank to maybe move 2-3 infantry around. It wouldn't even be good as an IFV because it has a bigger profile, higher weight and little ability to transport troops, plus it couldn't support those infantry with anything but its machine gun for any length of time.

Machine gun ammo is stored separately (usually on the outside) so you would still have that.

In dire circumstances it might be viable, like being encircled.

In dire circumstances, having 120mm gun ammunition is going to become rather important.
If you start putting infantry in it, they're going to be killed when the tank is - which is now unable to return fire.

At least when dismounted, the troops will be able to deploy rifle fire and some anti-tank weaponry against whatever foe has encircled them.

[San-Silvacian]

When and How? Those infantry with almost no equipment and they take up almost all of the space. We think you might be able to fit 6 men in there with equipment like those soldiers. If they had all of their equipment I would be surprised if you could honestly fit two guys in there.

This is all besides the point that it requires you through out all of your stowed ammo, leaving the tank with only 10 shots.

Well, if a tank is out of ammo it can double as a really big IFV with a turret. Do the ammo crates include ammo for the 50. Cal too?

Do you even know what a tank is.

Or an IFV.

Merkava isn't going to be used as an IFV, its way to valuable of an asset to waste transporting infantry.

The 'crates' instead the tank are storage for just main gun ammunition only. First gen Merks had L7 105mms, newer ones have L/44 120mm guns.

Thats all. Its an MBT. It isn't going to be transporting infantry. No commander would waste his armored vehicle in transporting infantry when your have Namers and M113s able to do that same job, which are build to do that same job.

ffs.

[Korouse]

Well, if a tank is out of ammo it can double as a really big IFV with a turret. Do the ammo crates include ammo for the 50. Cal too?

Do you even know what a tank is.

Or an IFV.

Merkava isn't going to be used as an IFV, its way to valuable of an asset to waste transporting infantry.

The 'crates' instead the tank are storage for just main gun ammunition only. First gen Merks had L7 105mms, newer ones have L/44 120mm guns.

Thats all. Its an MBT. It isn't going to be transporting infantry. No commander would waste his armored vehicle in transporting infantry when your have Namers and M113s able to do that same job, which are build to do that same job.

ffs.

The IFV part was meant comically.

[Rich and Corporations]

In what world is 275mm a pistol round? I really want to know.

Congratulations! You know more about guns than a designer of tongue-in-cheek children's toys!

I eagerly await your upcoming technically accurate coloring book.

One of the good things about the 80s was that nobody cared about stuff like that.

It's clearly a typo. I bet the designer was pissed off about it.

Do you even know what a tank is.

Or an IFV.

Merkava isn't going to be used as an IFV, its way to valuable of an asset to waste transporting infantry.

Given the armor protection levels of NS tanks, I imagine an IFV designed for NS would weigh as much as a T-90.

[Sediczja]

Ok, going to go ahead with the notSaxon for motorised infantry and reserve troops. Any suggestions for improvements that could be feasibly done in a mid-1980s timeframe?

Reposting.

[Imperializt Russia]

Congratulations! You know more about guns than a designer of tongue-in-cheek children's toys!

I eagerly await your upcoming technically accurate coloring book.

One of the good things about the 80s was that nobody cared about stuff like that.

It's clearly a typo. I bet the designer was pissed off about it.

Do you even know what a tank is.

Or an IFV.

Merkava isn't going to be used as an IFV, its way to valuable of an asset to waste transporting infantry.

Given the armor protection levels of NS tanks, I imagine an IFV designed for NS would weigh as much as a T-90.

The Namer and some proposed GCV were significantly heavier than the T-72 family.

[Rich and Corporations]

some proposed GCV

Incorrect. Historically US armored vehicles gain 20% in weight. The GCV is planned to have a suspension capable of handling the weight growth without the need to replace the suspension and transmission, as was the case with the M1 Improved Performance.

[Imperializt Russia]

Therefore, some proposed GCV would eventually have significantly surpassed the weight of the T-72 family.

[Crookfur]

Ok, going to go ahead with the notSaxon for motorised infantry and reserve troops. Any suggestions for improvements that could be feasibly done in a mid-1980s timeframe?

Reposting.

off the top of my head there isn't really much you can do with a cheap truck based APC other than maybe play around with a turret.

[Padnak]

Best truck based APC

[Padnak]

I'm wondering, what are the disadvantages of having wide tracks? I ask because the BMP family has fairly narrow tracks and from what I know about armoured vehicles it would seem that wide tracks would be better overall (more traction, less ground pressure etc)

[Proskoya]

I'm wondering, what are the disadvantages of having wide tracks? I ask because the BMP family has fairly narrow tracks and from what I know about armoured vehicles it would seem that wide tracks would be better overall (more traction, less ground pressure etc)

One disadvantage I do know is if you were to have wider tracks than your railroad can bear (basically just wider than the train car) then you can't transport it via rails.

[Padnak]

I'm wondering, what are the disadvantages of having wide tracks? I ask because the BMP family has fairly narrow tracks and from what I know about armoured vehicles it would seem that wide tracks would be better overall (more traction, less ground pressure etc)

One disadvantage I do know is if you were to have wider tracks than your railroad can bear (basically just wider than the train car) then you can't transport it via rails.

Didn't think of that

You wouldn't think wider tracks would have that much of an effect, but I could see it starting to cause problems

[Yukonastan]

I'm wondering, what are the disadvantages of having wide tracks? I ask because the BMP family has fairly narrow tracks and from what I know about armoured vehicles it would seem that wide tracks would be better overall (more traction, less ground pressure etc)

Wider tracks = Wider vehicle or less floor space.
One famous example, Hitler's own NS tank, the PzIV had to have special narrow tracks fitted for rail transport, otherwise it would be too wide to travel by rail.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm wondering, what are the disadvantages of having wide tracks? I ask because the BMP family has fairly narrow tracks and from what I know about armoured vehicles it would seem that wide tracks would be better overall (more traction, less ground pressure etc)

Weight, cost etc.

Also track width of a vehicle. I remember hearing once, uncertain of legitimacy, that the Humvee is so wide because it's intended that the track of the vehicle (the distance across the axle between tyres) is meant to match up with those of a tank, to navigate minefields (by driving in the tracks left by tanks).
Not to mention, by being so light, relatively, wide treads aren't strictly needed. The MT-LB has a wide-track variant for loose sand or snow travel.

[Korouse]

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Best truck based APC

JuniorGeneral pic?

[Padnak]

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Best truck based APC

JuniorGeneral pic?

nope

made for me by the lovely Korva

based on the Ural-4320

[Chebucto Provinces]

I'm still playing with the timeline of having Leopard 1s. So I was wondering how this sounds.

1976: Agreement reached to procure the Leopard 1 for Chebucto to replace Centurion. Local production at the Bear Head tank plant to be set up, with acquisition of tanks from German stock to start.

1978: German sourced tanks arrive. 81 Leopard 1A3 tanks, two Biber AVLB, five Bergepanzer ARV and a single Dachs AEV equip the training regiment in Middle Musquodobit.

1981: First Chebucto-produced Leopards roll off the line. Designated Leopard C1 these vehicles are broadly equivalent to German Leopard 1A4.

1988: Improved protection model introduced to production line. New perforated armour inserts built into hull front and turret. Otherwise identical to Leopard C1, designated Leopard C1A1.

1993: Following foreign experience, program to upgun Leopard C1 tanks undertaken. With German assistance 120mm L/44 gun fitted to Leopard C1 by the end of the year for trials.

1995: Original German-produced vehicles sold back to Germany as partial payment for acquisition of Rhinemetal 120mm guns and initial ammunition stocks, as well as other technologies. Production of 105mm ammunition ceases completely to retool for production of new ammunition.

1999: Leopard C2 enters service. Rebuilt Leopard C1A1 and new-built vehicles. 120mm gun, new ammunition placement, new CBRN protection suite, EMES 15 and PERI R17 optics, among other changes. Leopard C1s to be phased out.*

2001: Experimental applique armour for C2 trialed. Accepted for service and a number of vehicles are modified to mount it, but not fitted.

2003: Applique armour kits procured in limited quantity. Not commonly issued due to weight and strain on the vehicles.

2005: For 400th anniversary of first European settlement in Chebucto 1RCAC Halifax Rifles parades through Annapolis Royal with all its C2 tanks sporting applique kits. Most ever seen deployed to one area.

2013: Leopard C2A1 introduced. Minor improvements include upgraded powerpack, improved CBRN protection, air conditioner, and spall liner, new suspension shock absorbers, and other minor updates. Fleet updated to this standard.

* I will do the following with the original C1 tanks when phased out:
- Range targets.
- Museum pieces and monuments.
- Specialist vehicles: APC, Deminer, fire fighting vehicle, snow plow, etc.
- Some turrets will be dug in along the coast as fortifications for conscripts/reservists to man, and for some public-works effort.
- Surplus market for civilians.

I know there's more. I'm tempted to convert a few into mining vehicles for coal mines or something. Leopard Bagger. Perhaps a few for use as shore-tugs in the harbour? And of course at least one has to be converted into a playground, right?

[Rich and Corporations]

Need to have a Leopard 1 variant that replaces the engine with something half-decent as a stop-gap solution.

It's really funny that a vehicle designed with speed as armor, is slower than the Leopard 2.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Need to have a Leopard 1 variant that replaces the engine with something half-decent as a stop-gap solution.

It's really funny that a vehicle designed with speed as armor, is slower than the Leopard 2.

Funnily enough, Europowerpack as a whole should fit with room to spare. I am thinking it might very well be the ideal solution. Or something local. Either way the C2A1 should end up with more power.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

One famous example, Hitler's own NS tank, the PzIV

Do you mean the Pz VI because the Pz IV sure as hell wasn't a RL NS tank? Honestly the only real tanks that were NS levels of overkill that entered mass production were probably the Konigstiger and Jagdtiger.

[Padnak]

One famous example, Hitler's own NS tank, the PzIV

Do you mean the Pz VI because the Pz IV sure as hell wasn't a RL NS tank? Honestly the only real tanks that were NS levels of overkill that entered mass production were probably the Konigstiger and Jagdtiger.

Don't forget the SturmTiger

[Yukonastan]

One famous example, Hitler's own NS tank, the PzIV

Do you mean the Pz VI because the Pz IV sure as hell wasn't a RL NS tank? Honestly the only real tanks that were NS levels of overkill that entered mass production were probably the Konigstiger and Jagdtiger.

PzIV was ridiculous at the time, being the biggest and baddest tank of the era, with a massive logistical tail. Kind of like any Lyran Arms product.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Do you mean the Pz VI because the Pz IV sure as hell wasn't a RL NS tank? Honestly the only real tanks that were NS levels of overkill that entered mass production were probably the Konigstiger and Jagdtiger.

PzIV was ridiculous at the time, being the biggest and baddest tank of the era, with a massive logistical tail. Kind of like any Lyran Arms product.

It couldn't defeat the armour of French and British infantry tanks in the early war. Also it was hardly the biggest tank, it weighed about the same as the Matilda and less than the Char B1.

[Padnak]

I remember seeing a past tech NS heavy tank with almost 1500mm of frontal armor+ pike nose

I'll try and find it-