Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Imperializt Russia]

Tesserapoda armored car:

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that MG is rly interesting.

Why do vehicle mounts usually have spade triggers?

[Stahn]

that MG is rly interesting.

Why do vehicle mounts usually have spade triggers?

Because it is mounted it doesn't need a stock for recoil is not an issue?

[Sverige Stormakt]

This is the only existing prototype of the Strv 2000, armed with a 140mm Smoothbore gun, a 40mm coaxial Bofors and a 7.62x51 or 12.7x99mm MG mounted on the turret, remote controlled from the inside.

[Imperializt Russia]

40 Bofors is a little excessive for tank use.

Very few targets will merit more than a 30mm gun using much shorter, smaller ammunition (30x173mm versus 40x464mmR for the enormous L/70 Bofors ammunition), and space is at a premium anyway in tanks - in your example, it looks like it's charging London rents.

[Radicchio]

London rent perhaps but its living large!

[Yukonastan]

i accidentally some tanku sketches.

Edit: Here you go.

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do they float?

At 45 and 35 tons respectively, no.

Edit: Quite the spade grip.

[Gallia-]

i meant the apparent anti-gravity mechanism given the lack of tracks

then they must be pillboxes

[Yukonastan]

i meant the apparent anti-gravity mechanism given the lack of tracks

then they must be pillboxes

Too lazy to draw the tracks four times. Just drew the upper half of the hull.

[New Oyashima]

40 Bofors is a little excessive for tank use.

Very few targets will merit more than a 30mm gun using much shorter, smaller ammunition (30x173mm versus 40x464mmR for the enormous L/70 Bofors ammunition), and space is at a premium anyway in tanks - in your example, it looks like it's charging London rents.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_2000

Too bad it really did have a coaxial 40mm.

[Yukonastan]

What is a fairly average size for a turret ring on, say, an MBT and an SPG?

Re-Toast, get while hot.

[GraySoap]

What is a fairly average size for a turret ring on, say, an MBT and an SPG?

Re-Toast, get while hot.

2.16m on M-60 & M1 apparently,
2.05m on Arjun (based on pixels, so this may be unreliable)
>2m on T-72.

Honestly Google is being useless about the T-72 and T-80. Though one figure says 2.5M but that seems awfully wide.

[Imperializt Russia]

40 Bofors is a little excessive for tank use.

Very few targets will merit more than a 30mm gun using much shorter, smaller ammunition (30x173mm versus 40x464mmR for the enormous L/70 Bofors ammunition), and space is at a premium anyway in tanks - in your example, it looks like it's charging London rents.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_2000

Too bad it really did have a coaxial 40mm.

Too bad it was cancelled.

[Krazakistan]

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_2000

Too bad it really did have a coaxial 40mm.

Too bad it was cancelled.

Too bad many things were canceled. Like the Black Eagle.

I like to think if it wasn't then it would have developed into something beautiful. And have a different looking turret because the current one is funky looking. And then I would have the perfect tanku for Krazakistan. It would remove beef stroganoff for the glory of the state

[Krasny-Volny]

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This is the only existing prototype of the Strv 2000, armed with a 140mm Smoothbore gun, a 40mm coaxial Bofors and a 7.62x51 or 12.7x99mm MG mounted on the turret, remote controlled from the inside.

That is a gigantic muzzle brake. I bet that that chassis had trouble handling the recoil of such a large gun.

It's a low to medium pressure cannon, undoubtedly. Why they wanted to go for as big a calibre as possible for that chassis when a higher velocity 120mm would have been much more stable (and effective) is beyond me. Sure, you could argue that the larger shell would be more effective for bunker demolition and the like, but is it really? 140mm is massively overkill for your typical field fortification.

[Imperializt Russia]

A tanknet discussion suggested that for autoloader simplicity, the gun only loaded APDS anyway.

[GraySoap]

Many western tank developers in the late 80s and 90s expected Russian tanks to feature a 152mm gun with improved armored schemes and would have to respond in kind. Luckily the Sowjets collapsed and there was no need for Leopard 2 140mm or related developments.

[New Oyashima]

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_2000

Too bad it really did have a coaxial 40mm.

Too bad it was cancelled.

no u.

[Connori Pilgrims]

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This is the only existing prototype of the Strv 2000, armed with a 140mm Smoothbore gun, a 40mm coaxial Bofors and a 7.62x51 or 12.7x99mm MG mounted on the turret, remote controlled from the inside.

That is a gigantic muzzle brake. I bet that that chassis had trouble handling the recoil of such a large gun.

It's a low to medium pressure cannon, undoubtedly. Why they wanted to go for as big a calibre as possible for that chassis when a higher velocity 120mm would have been much more stable (and effective) is beyond me. Sure, you could argue that the larger shell would be more effective for bunker demolition and the like, but is it really? 140mm is massively overkill for your typical field fortification.

Though the thing never reached even a prototype IRL (all pictures of it are mockups, like the one that started this convo), the 140mm gun is most assuredly an HV weapon, of similar pedigree as that trialled on the Leopard 2-140, M1 CATTB and proposed for the Leclerc. It would have to be as its primary job is the same as those guns (i.e. kill the big-bad future Soviet rumored tanks) According to that wikia Oale linked the lightest of the Strv2000 concepts would've been 52 tons (only 2 or so less than Leclerc Series 1) with 59-60 tons the higher and more likely mass if it were built (which isnt that lighter than current Western tanks). The Leopard 2-140 (particularly the Swiss version of it) had a pepper-pot brake as well, so its not that far of a stretch that a lighter tank like this would need a bigger muzzle brake - AFAIK the Leclerc 140 concepts also made use of a similar muzzle brake to the Strv 2000.

As to why, well the technology of the time (late 80s) pointed to 140mm as the best immediate solution for putting down the expected dirty commie supertanks/T-80/72/64s with K5 and other lolERAs. When the Cold War (un)fortunately ended, the immediacy of 140mm ended with it (and the same for the Strv 2000 - Sweden couldn't possibly make this thing on its own which is why it was cancelled); it wasn't a total loss though, some of the projectile tech (supposedly) went into newer 120mm rounds that we have today.

[Malay Raya]

I tried drawing Tiger I tank in MSPaint since I don't have a clue on how to use 3D Software.

Didn't draw the wheels yet, but clearly I failed.

[Gallia-]

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This is the only existing prototype of the Strv 2000, armed with a 140mm Smoothbore gun, a 40mm coaxial Bofors and a 7.62x51 or 12.7x99mm MG mounted on the turret, remote controlled from the inside.

hello not!me

you have a cute tanku ;)

[Imperializt Russia]

I tried drawing Tiger I tank in MSPaint since I don't have a clue on how to use 3D Software.

Didn't draw the wheels yet, but clearly I failed.

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It's actually quite impressive. MSP isn't exactly an ideal programme for going for a 3D perspective image.

Why 3D though? It's not exactly necessary.

[Malay Raya]

I tried drawing Tiger I tank in MSPaint since I don't have a clue on how to use 3D Software.

Didn't draw the wheels yet, but clearly I failed.

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It's actually quite impressive. MSP isn't exactly an ideal programme for going for a 3D perspective image.

Why 3D though? It's not exactly necessary.

Well I for one enjoy drawing tanks with pencil & paper in 3D perspective. Blueprint perspectives aren't quite my thing.

[Stahn]

I tried drawing Tiger I tank in MSPaint since I don't have a clue on how to use 3D Software.

Didn't draw the wheels yet, but clearly I failed.

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I like your style. The perspective is way off however. You should try Google Sketchup. With the tool "match photo" you can make a basic 3D model of a Tiger I quite easily.

[Malay Raya]

I tried drawing Tiger I tank in MSPaint since I don't have a clue on how to use 3D Software.

Didn't draw the wheels yet, but clearly I failed.

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I like your style. The perspective is way off however. You should try Google Sketchup. With the tool "match photo" you can make a basic 3D model of a Tiger I quite easily.

there's a match photo tool? Hmm interesting. I'll give it a try soon. Maybe look at Google Sketchup tutorials first tho.

[Gallia-]

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This is the only existing prototype of the Strv 2000, armed with a 140mm Smoothbore gun, a 40mm coaxial Bofors and a 7.62x51 or 12.7x99mm MG mounted on the turret, remote controlled from the inside.

That is a gigantic muzzle brake. I bet that that chassis had trouble handling the recoil of such a large gun.

I don't think the wooden box cared it's OK.