Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Radicchio]

Is anyone familiar with the south African anti-tank missiles?

I came across a g, e & t storefront selling them and was wondering how well they work against modern armor.

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One of the missiles in question, th "Ingwe" according to wikipedia.

[Imperializt Russia]

At the risk of sounding stupid, where is the most ideal place to store ammunition safely in an MBT while also being capable of using something like the M1A2's blowout panel [I think that's what it's called] where it also will be fairly easy for the loader to handle.

Abrams-style all-in-bustle is unequivocally the safest place to store ammunition, but it mildly problematic. If you like still having your tanks, it's a fairly easy payoff that's worth it. It actually makes your tank slightly easier to hit. Just barely. If not in a sealed, armoured, blowout-protected bustle, keeping ammunition below the turret ring is also pretty safe. Since you should make use of terrain, it makes anywhere you store ammunition difficult to hit and puts lots of vehicle between the outside and the ammo.

[The Kievan People]

Bustle is safest... for the crew.

Storing ammo beneath the turret ring is safer for the ammo. But this comes with the risk of catastrophic ammunition fires that will kill everyone inside and destroy the tank.

Storing all the ammunition inside fire-proof containers below the turret ring isn't a completely terrible idea (see: Merkava series, Challenger) especially is you use the opportunity to shrink the turret. But as long as the ammunition is inside the fighting compartment the risk of "ammunition burns everyone dies" cannot be completely eliminated.

[Purpelia]

Just how likely is such a thing to happen in real life though? Assuming you are not driving a monkey model T-72 that's really just a repackaged T-55. I can't well imagine that a competent crew in a modern western tank is going to get their tank into a situation where its hull is penetrated so as to cause rounds stored under the turret to blow up.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Just how likely is such a thing to happen in real life though? Assuming you are not driving a monkey model T-72 that's really just a repackaged T-55. I can't well imagine that a competent crew in a modern western tank is going to get their tank into a situation where its hull is penetrated so as to cause rounds stored under the turret to blow up.

Pretty rare. Abrams took more cook-off inducing hits to the bustle in the last 25 years then there have been cook-off inducing hits in other tanks since around 1960 or so.
But it's still possible.

[Purpelia]

Just how likely is such a thing to happen in real life though? Assuming you are not driving a monkey model T-72 that's really just a repackaged T-55. I can't well imagine that a competent crew in a modern western tank is going to get their tank into a situation where its hull is penetrated so as to cause rounds stored under the turret to blow up.

Pretty rare. Abrams took more cook-off inducing hits to the bustle in the last 25 years then there have been cook-off inducing hits in other tanks since around 1960 or so.
But it's still possible.

That is the thing though. Designing is a matter of tradeoffs. So if the probability of this happening is sufficiently small than the tradeoff in protection for extra ammo storage might be worth it. I am of course speaking in the context of having a bustle mounted autoloader and spare rounds in the hull.

[Commonwealths and Principalities]

I have decided to, rather than take up 3 pages of this forum, just post the link to my factbook:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=comm ... /id=306622

it details everything that you would like to know about my ground vehicles.

[The Kievan People]

That is the thing though. Designing is a matter of tradeoffs. So if the probability of this happening is sufficiently small than the tradeoff in protection for extra ammo storage might be worth it. I am of course speaking in the context of having a bustle mounted autoloader and spare rounds in the hull.

That is assuming you actually need the ammunition.

[Stahn]

I have decided to, rather than take up 3 pages of this forum, just post the link to my factbook:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=comm ... /id=306622

it details everything that you would like to know about my ground vehicles.

Nice pictures of vehicles.

[Radicchio]

I have decided to, rather than take up 3 pages of this forum, just post the link to my factbook:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=comm ... /id=306622

it details everything that you would like to know about my ground vehicles.

Just curious, has anyone ever done armor like this?

[Commonwealths and Principalities]

I have decided to, rather than take up 3 pages of this forum, just post the link to my factbook:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=comm ... /id=306622

it details everything that you would like to know about my ground vehicles.

Just curious, has anyone ever done armor like this?

Actually the Germans did that on a few of the panzer tanks, though my primary field of expertise is on infantry.

[Stahn]

I have decided to, rather than take up 3 pages of this forum, just post the link to my factbook:

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=comm ... /id=306622

it details everything that you would like to know about my ground vehicles.

Just curious, has anyone ever done armor like this?

You mean on NS or IRL? This is a Panzer IV Ausf. H I believe. It was real. I have used "Schürzen" spaced armour on two of my designs as well.

[Purpelia]

That is the thing though. Designing is a matter of tradeoffs. So if the probability of this happening is sufficiently small than the tradeoff in protection for extra ammo storage might be worth it. I am of course speaking in the context of having a bustle mounted autoloader and spare rounds in the hull.

That is assuming you actually need the ammunition.

Of course I do. The more the merrier.

[Commonwealths and Principalities]

Stahn, you have a lot of orange in your factbook, but awesome renderings/things of vehicles

[The Kievan People]

Of course I do. The more the merrier.

The :NS: is strong with this one.

[The Kievan People]

Is anyone familiar with the south African anti-tank missiles?

I came across a g, e & t storefront selling them and was wondering how well they work against modern armor.

EDIT
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One of the missiles in question, th "Ingwe" according to wikipedia.

The Ingwe is a fine missile.

The warhead is rather small though.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=326032&p=23025016&sid=583ea33512e45907b03ca2be99b0d276#p23025016

[Stahn]

Shadhahvar 100B (with "Schürzen" spaced armour.

[Stahn]

Stahn, you have a lot of orange in your factbook, but awesome renderings/things of vehicles

Thanks! I don't know what factbook you looked at but I have redconned a lot of my vehicles and made a lot of new designs. I might start working on a updated and complete factbook but I feel I still need to do a lot more vehicles.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=326032&p=23025016&sid=583ea33512e45907b03ca2be99b0d276#p23025016

M113, replacement??

[Bratislavskaya]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=326032&p=23025016&sid=583ea33512e45907b03ca2be99b0d276#p23025016

M113, replacement??

M113A1.

[The Kievan People]

Please do not advertise GE&T threads here.

[Commonwealths and Principalities]

Stahn, you have a lot of orange in your factbook, but awesome renderings/things of vehicles

Thanks! I don't know what factbook you looked at but I have redconned a lot of my vehicles and made a lot of new designs. I might start working on a updated and complete factbook but I feel I still need to do a lot more vehicles.

All of them, and they are quite nice, and I can see that you retconned a lot as there does seem to be quite a lot of missing information

[Stahn]

Thanks! I don't know what factbook you looked at but I have redconned a lot of my vehicles and made a lot of new designs. I might start working on a updated and complete factbook but I feel I still need to do a lot more vehicles.

All of them, and they are quite nice, and I can see that you retconned a lot as there does seem to be quite a lot of missing information

Yeah. None of my factbooks are up to date. I considered deleting them but as long as I haven't made an updated one I willprobably leave them. They are sienna brown by the way. Not orange. I have also experimented with desert cammo but recently I have returned to sienna brown.

[Purpelia]

Of course I do. The more the merrier.

The :NS: is strong with this one.

Fine. The long version is that having an autoloader is already going to eat into my ammo capacity and take up as much as 1/3 of the space available. Meaning that where the M1 stores 40 rounds I can only store ~26. And so I would prefer to have the option of storing extra rounds in the hull.