Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[United Marxist Nations]

Would it be possible to create a KEP round with 800mm+ penetration for the 2-piece ammunition of a 125mm without the removal of the carousel autoloader?

I think Imperializt Russia said that they have a 1 piece for the T-80 (which uses the autoloader). And, also, the 3VBM??/3BM46 (3BM48 "Свинец-2"), which has a penetration of 800mm. I think I would just use the Refleks or maybe develop a new GLATGM.

EDIT: Not a 1-piece round, the T-80 just has a stronger auto-loader, so it can carry larger KEP's.

[Kouralia]

If anything, BCT minus its strategic airlift ambitions, could be (hideously loosely) considered copying Russia by making these brigades highly self-sufficient and containing all supporting arms.

Isn't that just how the British Army does its normal Brigades?

[Krazakistan]

Would it be possible to create a KEP round with 800mm+ penetration for the 2-piece ammunition of a 125mm without the removal of the carousel autoloader?

I think Imperializt Russia said that they have a 1 piece for the T-80 (which uses the autoloader). And, also, the 3VBM??/3BM46 (3BM48 "Свинец-2"), which has a penetration of 800mm. I think I would just use the Refleks or maybe develop a new GLATGM.

1 piece ammunition for the T-80 series is great for me, since I want better KEP penetrators for my T-84s. GLATGMs would be used but I would rather not rely on them for taking out MBTs.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think Imperializt Russia said that they have a 1 piece for the T-80 (which uses the autoloader). And, also, the 3VBM??/3BM46 (3BM48 "Свинец-2"), which has a penetration of 800mm. I think I would just use the Refleks or maybe develop a new GLATGM.

1 piece ammunition for the T-80 series is great for me, since I want better KEP penetrators for my T-84s. GLATGMs would be used but I would rather not rely on them for taking out MBTs.

I went back and found his post; it's not 1 piece ammo, it's two piece with a bigger penetrator because of the T-80's stronger autoloader.

[Krazakistan]

1 piece ammunition for the T-80 series is great for me, since I want better KEP penetrators for my T-84s. GLATGMs would be used but I would rather not rely on them for taking out MBTs.

I went back and found his post; it's not 1 piece ammo, it's two piece with a bigger penetrator because of the T-80's stronger autoloader.

Really? Shit.

[United Marxist Nations]

I went back and found his post; it's not 1 piece ammo, it's two piece with a bigger penetrator because of the T-80's stronger autoloader.

Really? Shit.

The problem with the 2 piece was the size of the autoloader, so it solves the issue nonetheless. The shell in question has a penetration of 800mm.

[Krazakistan]

Really? Shit.

The problem with the 2 piece was the size of the autoloader, so it solves the issue nonetheless. The shell in question has a penetration of 800mm.

Ah okay. I did check Fofanov and claimed that the 3BM-46 has around 650mm of penetration at 2000m.

[Korva]

Anyone have penetration figures for the XM578E1, or know about how much improvement could be expected if a more modern round were to be constructed?

[Lydenburg]

Anyone have penetration figures for the XM578E1, or know about how much improvement could be expected if a more modern round were to be constructed?

Muzzle velocity about 1478 m/s, performance similar to the XM735. That's all I know.

[Korva]

Anyone have penetration figures for the XM578E1, or know about how much improvement could be expected if a more modern round were to be constructed?

Muzzle velocity about 1478 m/s, performance similar to the XM735. That's all I know.

Yeah, I have velocity from the Hunnicutt book but nothing else :/

[Questers]

I would be very interested in seeing a 1-piece shell for the T-80.

Would it be possible to create a KEP round with 800mm+ penetration for the 2-piece ammunition of a 125mm without the removal of the carousel autoloader?

Honestly, highly unlikely.

[United Marxist Nations]

I would be very interested in seeing a 1-piece shell for the T-80.

I already said that I was mistaken, and that it was just a shell with a larger penetrator because the T-80's autoloader can lift greater loads.

[Krazakistan]

I would be very interested in seeing a 1-piece shell for the T-80.

Would it be possible to create a KEP round with 800mm+ penetration for the 2-piece ammunition of a 125mm without the removal of the carousel autoloader?

Honestly, highly unlikely.

Well shit. :T

[United Marxist Nations]

I would be very interested in seeing a 1-piece shell for the T-80.

Honestly, highly unlikely.

Well shit. :T

Develop a GLATGM for it; the Ukrainians I know Refleks is 900mm penetration, and the Ukrainians have one that has 950mm.

[Yukonastan]

Vehicle-mount version of this, assuming I can do the "multiple-tube" trick, or is it only really worth it if you go with guided?

[Korva]

Well shit. :T

Develop a GLATGM for it; the Ukrainians I know Refleks is 900mm penetration, and the Ukrainians have one that has 950mm.

This is how Korva gets around its sub-par APFSDS-T munitions.

[Rich and Corporations]

This is how Korva gets around its sub-par APFSDS-T munitions.

Rocket motors are probably as close to the complexity of precision machining a tungsten (hardness) or a DU (pyrophoric) dart.

HEAT is simplest of all, although errors in machining a high penetration cone is not the end of the world.

[Yukonastan]

In regards to Purp's (deleted) post, yes, sort of. It isn't stabilized as a flying body. However, it might be made to work as an antitank munition.
Sears Haack body

[Korva]

This is how Korva gets around its sub-par APFSDS-T munitions.

Rocket motors are probably as close to the complexity of precision machining a tungsten (hardness) or a DU (pyrophoric) dart.

HEAT is simplest of all, although errors in machining a high penetration cone is not the end of the world.

The Korvan military uses the MBT-70.

[Rich and Corporations]

The Korvan military uses the MBT-70.

GLATGM become more accurate than HEAT at a certain range. Maybe a kilometer. So, plain HEAT has it's uses.

[Lydenburg]

The Korvan military uses the MBT-70.

GLATGM become more accurate than HEAT at a certain range. Maybe a kilometer. So, plain HEAT has it's uses.

Plain HEAT is good for taking out bunkers, static fortifications, and anything lighter than a tank (such as an LAV), which SABOT wasn't designed to handle.

[Rich and Corporations]

GLATGM become more accurate than HEAT at a certain range. Maybe a kilometer. So, plain HEAT has it's uses.

Plain HEAT is good for taking out bunkers, static fortifications, and anything lighter than a tank (such as an LAV), which SABOT wasn't designed to handle.

Are we talking about plain GLATGM or top-attack GLATGM.

In anycase, avoiding a rocket motor is probably simplest.

[Questers]

I would be very interested in seeing a 1-piece shell wor the T-80.

Honestly, highly unlikely.

Well shit. :T

The best the Soviets got out of the 2-piece carousel autoloaders was probably the 3BM42, which had an upgrade for the T-90 (3BM42M) that apparently can't fit in T-72 carousels. They also had the 3BM46 which is DU (BM42 is WHA.) Confusingly the 42 is 'Mang'o, 46 'Svinets', but 42M 'Svinets-1.' All these rounds have a mv of about 1700ms and a perforation of about 600mm RHA (give or take 10%.) This represents the peak of Soviet - and Russian - FS-APDS development.

[Rich and Corporations]

FS-APDS development.

I thought the Soviets were developing two-piece rounds before bankruptcy.

[Snjorlandio]

Right two piece ammunition how does it work?