Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Krazakistan]

How come the BMPV-64 hasn't been brought up yet? It would be possible to up-gun the turret to a 100mm gun without losing a considerable amount of space for the dismounts. I mean, the damn thing already has room for 12 dismounts + a turret with a 30mm A/C. The only disadvantage it would have to a BMP-2/3 would be it doesn't have amphibious capability and is a larger vehicle.

[Bratislavskaya]

Do the VDV use tanks?

[Lydenburg]

I wonder if it would be possible to develop a IMV from the BRDM-2

If you stretched it a bit, removed the belly wheels, added side doors and fitted it with a smaller modern engine you could probably make it workable, but then it becomes a question of whether its worth it when purpose built vehicles exist for the role

It's been done.

I've seen it done on NS. I don't know about real life.

The whole point of the BRDM was a small, mobile, and easily concealable reconnaissance vehicle. Very quiet, able to hide under a blade of Vietnamese elephant grass, and compact enough to hide in tight spaces. Even when traveling in convoy, it was very difficult for the trailing vehicle to spot it through dense bush. The main problems I witnessed were an inadequate engine and a crap gearbox. The motor was not powerful enough to drive that heavy vehicle at decent speed on difficult terrain and overworked quite easily. Take those two out and you solve 80% of the BRDM-2's issues. Make that 90% if you added side doors. The old KPTV should also be replaced by something more along on the lines of the Polish .50 calibre modification or the Iraqi ZU-23-2.

Agreed that you defeat the purpose (and most of the advantages it had as a scout car) by trying to turn it into an IMV. BTRs and BMPs were designed for that.

[Krazakistan]

Do the VDV use tanks?

Light tanks, yes.

The VDV is, for all intents and purposes, an airdropable mechanized force.

[Bratislavskaya]

Do the VDV use tanks?

Light tanks, yes.

The VDV is, for all intents and purposes, an airdropable mechanized force.

What tanks specifically?

[Proskoya]

Light tanks, yes.

The VDV is, for all intents and purposes, an airdropable mechanized force.

What tanks specifically?

The Sprut-SD is one of them.

[Anemos Major]

I've seen it done on NS. I don't know about real life.

The whole point of the BRDM was a small, mobile, and easily concealable reconnaissance vehicle. Very quiet, able to hide under a blade of Vietnamese elephant grass, and compact enough to hide in tight spaces. Even when traveling in convoy, it was very difficult for the trailing vehicle to spot it through dense bush. The main problems I witnessed were an inadequate engine and a crap gearbox. The motor was not powerful enough to drive that heavy vehicle at decent speed on difficult terrain and overworked quite easily. Take those two out and you solve 80% of the BRDM-2's issues. Make that 90% if you added side doors. The old KPTV should also be replaced by something more along on the lines of the Polish .50 calibre modification or the Iraqi ZU-23-2.

Agreed that you defeat the purpose (and most of the advantages it had as a scout car) by trying to turn it into an IMV. BTRs and BMPs were designed for that.

What tanks specifically?

BMD-series and variants, incl. BTR-D and Sprut-SD. Not strictly tanks, close enough.

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

So Otokar Cobra. It's my IMV. Is it decent?

So...

[Krazakistan]

Light tanks, yes.

The VDV is, for all intents and purposes, an airdropable mechanized force.

What tanks specifically?

PT-76 iirc, and the Sprut-SD.

[Bratislavskaya]

What tanks specifically?

BMD-series and variants, incl. BTR-D and Sprut-SD. Not strictly tanks, close enough.

Don't they have anything bigger than BMD series vehicles, as in proper tanks? If not would it be worth using a modernized PT-76?

[Lydenburg]

I've seen it done on NS. I don't know about real life.

The whole point of the BRDM was a small, mobile, and easily concealable reconnaissance vehicle. Very quiet, able to hide under a blade of Vietnamese elephant grass, and compact enough to hide in tight spaces. Even when traveling in convoy, it was very difficult for the trailing vehicle to spot it through dense bush. The main problems I witnessed were an inadequate engine and a crap gearbox. The motor was not powerful enough to drive that heavy vehicle at decent speed on difficult terrain and overworked quite easily. Take those two out and you solve 80% of the BRDM-2's issues. Make that 90% if you added side doors. The old KPTV should also be replaced by something more along on the lines of the Polish .50 calibre modification or the Iraqi ZU-23-2.

Agreed that you defeat the purpose (and most of the advantages it had as a scout car) by trying to turn it into an IMV. BTRs and BMPs were designed for that.

Very nice. Though most of the space for passenger seats was taken up by ammo boxes in the example I rode in.

[Anemos Major]

PT-76 iirc, and the Sprut-SD.

VDV don't use the PT-76, Naval Infantry have a few pending their replacement in the long term (they were supposed to have been replaced by modified BMP-3s).

Don't they have anything bigger than BMD series vehicles, as in proper tanks? If not would it be worth using a modernized PT-76?

What would they do with 'proper tanks'? Drop them out of planes?

Sprut-SD is a better 'tank' than the PT-76 anyhow, so you'd be better off going with a product improved version of that. The 18-20t of vehicles like the Sprut or the M8 is more or less the maximum limit at the moment when it comes to airdropping materiel, and denying yourself that capability immediately restricts the flexibility of your airborne troops in that they'll need to find a secure airfield to access their armoured support. BMD series gets the job done adequately, I think, at least conceptually.

[Krazakistan]

PT-76 iirc, and the Sprut-SD.

VDV don't use the PT-76, Naval Infantry have a few pending their replacement in the long term (they were supposed to have been replaced by modified BMP-3s).

Don't they have anything bigger than BMD series vehicles, as in proper tanks? If not would it be worth using a modernized PT-76?

What would they do with 'proper tanks'? Drop them out of planes?

Sprut-SD is a better 'tank' than the PT-76 anyhow, so you'd be better off going with a product improved version of that. The 18-20t of vehicles like the Sprut or the M8 is more or less the maximum limit at the moment when it comes to airdropping materiel, and denying yourself that capability immediately restricts the flexibility of your airborne troops in that they'll need to find a secure airfield to access their armoured support. BMD series gets the job done adequately, I think, at least conceptually.

The VDV does use vehicles based on the PT-76's chasis, though.

[Anemos Major]

The VDV does use vehicles based on the PT-76's chasis, though.

Not since 1969 onwards, I think.

[The Kievan People]

Why haven't we seen a move to unmanned turrets yet?

Tank design has been basically frozen since the end of the Cold War. The countries with the most expertise in tank design don't have the money, and the countries with the money don't have the expertise.

Non-western countries also tend to be more interested in the "fringe" benefits of arms sales than the actual merits of the product. So there is very little incentive to develop new vehicles for export when the same old vehicles plus the right perks will be just as likely to land a sale.

[The Kievan People]

How come the BMPV-64 hasn't been brought up yet? It would be possible to up-gun the turret to a 100mm gun without losing a considerable amount of space for the dismounts. I mean, the damn thing already has room for 12 dismounts + a turret with a 30mm A/C. The only disadvantage it would have to a BMP-2/3 would be it doesn't have amphibious capability and is a larger vehicle.

How do you figure?

The turret does not penetrate the hull. It is literally an example of what I was talking about before. But fitting a 100mm cannon in there without penetrating the hull or fitting an absolutely massive turret would be a real trick. If you put an actual turret on it you probably lose half the dismounts.

[Yukonastan]

How come the BMPV-64 hasn't been brought up yet? It would be possible to up-gun the turret to a 100mm gun without losing a considerable amount of space for the dismounts. I mean, the damn thing already has room for 12 dismounts + a turret with a 30mm A/C. The only disadvantage it would have to a BMP-2/3 would be it doesn't have amphibious capability and is a larger vehicle.

How do you figure?

The turret does not penetrate the hull. It is literally an example of what I was talking about before. But fitting a 100mm cannon in there without penetrating the hull or fitting an absolutely massive turret would be a real trick. If you put an actual turret on it you probably lose half the dismounts.

I'd go for a 125mm unmanned turret.

[Anemos Major]

Very nice. Though most of the space for passenger seats was taken up by ammo boxes in the example I rode in.

Sit with them on your lap, I suppose? Or dump part of the vehicle's ammunition capacity.

To be honest, with the BRDM-2 you'd be best served by taking the BRDM-2NG as your base vehicle (without the side doors, it's a bit of a death trap), giving it a light-profile RWS and bundling it with a decent set of optronic sights.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Guiz...

I'm thinking about fielding a modern-day M3-Grant based on an STRV-103 chassis.*

Thoughts?

*ofc, will need to offset the new autoloading 120mm to the side to make room for the turret.

[Oaledonia]

Guiz...

I'm thinking about fielding a modern-day M3-Grant based on an STRV-103 chassis.'

Thoughts?

2tall5me

[Purpelia]

Does anyone know anything about the Chinese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZBD-97 aside from the Wikipedia link?
Google keeps turning up nothing useful when ever I try to find it.

[United Marxist Nations]

Why did Russia even make the BMP-3? As has been stated multiple times in this thread alone, the BMP-2 is a far superior vehicle.

[Purpelia]

Why did Russia even make the BMP-3? As has been stated multiple times in this thread alone, the BMP-2 is a far superior vehicle.

Just because some people here think it's bad does not make it so. There is also a vocal group who supports it as the best thing since the BMP-1. Some of us are just tired of rehashing the same pointless arguments over and over again with a group that can't be convinced anyway.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Does anyone know anything about the Chinese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZBD-97 aside from the Wikipedia link?
Google keeps turning up nothing useful when ever I try to find it.

Oh, you mean these?

Try ZBD-08.

[EsToVnIa]

Why did Russia even make the BMP-3? As has been stated multiple times in this thread alone, the BMP-2 is a far superior vehicle.

Because, due to there being no massive public works projects, russia needed something to distract the populace.