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Postby Themiclesia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:18 am

This (FB&NI) forum has seen many threads dealing with royalty, but few dealing with the aristocracy, which is usually defined as a group of privileged individuals, who inherit their privileges. In a feudal state, power is usually shared between the sovereign and the aristocracy; in a unitary state, such as Britain, power is held almost exclusively by the sovereign.

Because of the circumstances of the formation of Themiclesia, the aristocracy is quite complex; in general, aristocrats not only have certain dignities and prerogatives that others don't have, but also actual political power. Each aristocratic title is associated with a certain piece of land, and that aristocrat exercises political power over it. Initially, in the remote past, the basic political unit was the ki, or city-state; the ruler of such a city was called a luga (plural lugales). As time passed and cities entered into political or military unions with each other, the wanax (plural wanakes) appeared. More recently, the oregs, or king of Themiclesia, emerged as the most powerful and respected of the wakanes. All three levels of aristocracy are still present in Themiclesia. The king of Themiclesia could create a wanax, attached to a new state in Themiclesia, and a wanax could create a luga, attached to a new ki. As of the present, there are five ranks within the wanakes, and three within lugales.

The issue of purchasing titles of nobility rarely occurs, because few noble houses go extinct. The primary source of new wanakes is the king's issue who do not go on to inherit the kingship; as a country that operates under male primogeniture, the eldest male legitimate son could inherit the throne in preference to any other issue. These other offsprings are created new wanakes. The primary source of new lugales is also the side issue of a wanax. Of course, the oregs do create wanakes, or a wanax lugales from distinguished individuals from all walks of life from time to time, but this would be exceptional.

The political power of these nobles who inherited their positions varies. In most states, there are public elections to elect a number of representatives to counsel nobles who prefer to engage in government, or a position similar to the British prime minister may have developed, in states in which the noble distances himself from government. An important secondary function of any luga or wanax is to serve in a superior noble's court; a wanax will always have some of his ministers appointed from within his lugales; the oregs will have a combination of wanakes and lugales at his court. These formal courts work in conjunction with elected representatives to form the basis system of government in modern Themiclesia.

So, NS, what it the aristocracy like in your nation?
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Postby New Turkish Republic » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:20 am

There is no aristocracy in the New Turkish Republic. Because of our ideology, aristocrats are not needed and are killed
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Postby Soled » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:25 am

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Postby Zhouran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:38 am

Aristocracy?

That's very European. Since we are an Asian nation, we have upper-class businessmen, with many powerful businessmen maintaining strong ties with the government.

The idea of aristocracy does not exist in Zhouran.

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Postby Gailes » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:41 am

Gailes is like a confederation of princely states under the suzerainty of the Gallic Crown. Much of the country is ruled by nobles in semi-autonomous jurisdictions. At first there were only a dozen or so independent petty kingdoms, which each recognised the suzerainty of the "high" king in the 10th Century, but over the centuries the kingdoms mostly broke up into a patchwork of little statelets all ruled by hereditary nobles and princes. Although there are also some cities which govern themselves freely.

There are also other nobles who possess titles of nobility but do not rule anything. They might be from old landowning families (perhaps a vassal of the King or another subordinate princely ruler) or else landless but with the dignity and estate of a nobleman nonetheless.

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Postby Nekronia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:45 am

Aristocracy is highly frowned upon, and ontop of that is intentionally made completely impossible by making everyone born and raised via the state. Meritocracy, in intent and reality.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:00 am

Auzkhia does indeed have an aristocracy. Our nobility have power over their local estates and hold high positions in the State, these ones usually have titles and come from princely families. Some nobles rule the federal states as the monarch of the states.
However, nouveau riche Industrialists put themselves close to the old, landed nobility. Some individuals can ascend into nobility by performing excellent service to the crown.
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Postby Asigna » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:04 am

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:47 am

The aristocracy was out with the 1917 Russian Revolution.
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Postby Saurisisia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:21 am

While Saurisia has no need for aristocracy, the nobility of the Drakònians, Khalkans, Mesozoican, Triassican, Jurassican, Pomerian, and Sussurian Saurians, Ponerians, Sslurid, and Limbatux were kept intact after their lands were assimilated into the Union for theysimple act of preserving their cultutes. They typically own at least a small parcel of land (some own larger estates) and usually have a title or two; in some parts of the country (Drakònia, Pomeria, Sussuria, and Poneria), they are even the equivalent of provincial governors who rule over a small state or province.
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Postby Secessionist America » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 am

Every aristocrat has been assassinated, with the money being handed out to the poor and schools.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:25 am

Being similar to Britain and Scandinavia in this regard, the Valaran Empire has an aristocracy. However, they generally have little power aside from the prestige of their titles, and are in almost every other respect equal to other members of society. Only a select few hold any positions of land or government, and the latter is largely due to merit rather than inheritance (though the former is their prerogative as high nobility). There is some friction between those not of noble blood, but this a minor problem.
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Postby Alexanda » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 am

Alexanda does have an Aristocracy, which also has a political say. Due to the fact most Aristocrats own large areas of land often used for industry, mining and farming, the Lords and Ladies of the country are not only major employers and vital parts of the economy, but have the authority to govern their land the way they see fit, although it must be within the law and follow government guidelines.
Some of the Aristocracy lost its land during the Financial Crisis of 1961, although the vast majority still shares the wealth and power it did in Centuries gone by.
Aristocracy is noted within the Constitution, giving them permission to own land and use it how they wish, but an update in 1670 ensured the government can interfere, if necessary.
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Postby United Republic of St George » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:35 am

The United Republic of St George has close ties with the United Kingdom and so aristocracy is quite big here. Aristocrats have quelled uprisings of both Liberalism and Republican Liberalism so the country remains heavily conservative with ceremonial cavalry, estates, loyalist forces (paramilitary and non-paramilitary) and a 'parliament' rather than a senate or other republican oriented political housing being some of a huge aristocratic society here. Out of the whole Isle only the main island contains civilians so the others mostly consist of nobility and peasants. Some still live very conservatively with no electricity and medieval village structures.

In fact recently inheritance has been abolished!
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Postby Taarumitkoert » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:37 am

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:11 pm

Sidh society is a meritocracy. Sidhae themselves maintain that the simple virtue of being born genetically enhanced and cyber-augmented in an Imperial progenitory doesn't necessarily make one a Sidh - to be a Sidh, deliberate and constant effort is required.

Hence there is no aristocracy in the traditional sense to speak of. The simple fact that an individual does not own anything personally, merely the exclusive right to use it, and the fact that Sidhae have no families from whom to inherit or to which to bequeath anything means the two key prerequisites for the formation of an aristocracy do not exist.

The closest thing to an aristocracy in the Imperium are the top military brass, who enjoy great status, power and privileges. However, all these luxuries are hard-earned through many decades of service, all of them having started off as lowly soldiers enlisting out of a sense of duty and patriotism, or with the explicit goal to earn themselves rank and standing or die trying.
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Postby Greater Eurasian Union » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:16 pm

Aristocracy died out with the boyars and tsars.
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Postby New Vudnia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:49 pm

There is an aristocracy in Vudnia, but we expect the aristocrats to work incredibly hard.

Typically, the Count or Countess of the County-area is elected from the children of the previous count(ess)'s family. Those unlucky enough to not get elected are expected to go to work with the rest of the rabble. The electorate is then tasked with just about everything a governor typically does, and is expected to work 5 days a week with only one week of vacation.

Also, having a title does not guarantee wealth, as it comes out of your paycheck if the annual budget is overdrawn.

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Postby Uelvan » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:53 pm

Kayçar Ştrabo reinstituted nobility in Uelvan, but these are just bland titles that only allow you to get in on circles of other people with similar titles. They do not own counties, baronies, or things like that. Just mansions like any other rich person. The difference? Their ego.

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:41 pm

Diopolis is one of the few remaining countries in which national subdivisions are governed by nobility. If a noble house goes extinct, it is up to their lord to choose a new person for the title: today, it's usually by auction, but in the past it was often members of the lord's family.
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Postby Cadonica » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:19 am

There is no aristocracy.
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Postby Agrarian States » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:22 am

We are ruled directly by the people, no aristocracy needed

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