The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

[Spreewerke]

The GoPros have only one lens, and therefore no depth perception. You would be relying on the guy wearing the camera to relay coordinates anyway, so all the GoPro is going is giving the artillerymen something to look at while relying on spoken-word coordinates, anyway.

I did not notice a lack of depth perception in that video.

You obviously know that "smaller things are farther away," but a lot of your depth perception is brought on by having two eyes. Granted, I think it really only makes a difference "close up," it is still difficult to judge distance with a "zoomed out" camera since it's scaling everything down in an attempt to match natural fields-of-view.

For example, I have to take my Canon PowerShot G7 to 6x magnification before things are displayed on its screen "in real size." Thus, on my camera's "1x" zoom, like what you'd have on the GoPro, everything is 1/6th size simply so it has a wider FOV.

[Imperializt Russia]

The GoPros have only one lens, and therefore no depth perception. You would be relying on the guy wearing the camera to relay coordinates anyway, so all the GoPro is going is giving the artillerymen something to look at while relying on spoken-word coordinates, anyway.

I did not notice a lack of depth perception in that video.

You'd struggle to estimate range on that. Hugely.

I'm wondering how close that road in the background is, because in the video it looks worryingly close to the hurty end of a clay shooting range.

[Fordorsia]

The GoPros have only one lens, and therefore no depth perception. You would be relying on the guy wearing the camera to relay coordinates anyway, so all the GoPro is going is giving the artillerymen something to look at while relying on spoken-word coordinates, anyway.

I did not notice a lack of depth perception in that video.

Fisheye lenses are good at seeing things up close, but not far away. I doubt you could effectively judge distance and shit with one.

[Purpelia]

For the level of shooting I am thinking off you really would not need to estimate that much anyway. I mean, basically you have the squad guy calling fire like "I am at X. Tank is 1000m in front of me. Throw something at it." And than laying it by screaming "a little bit to the left! No my other left!"

It's not like we are talking about howitzers and stuff where you actually do math.

[Fordorsia]

For the level of shooting I am thinking off you really would not need to estimate that much anyway. I mean, basically you have the squad guy calling fire like "I am at X. Tank is 1000m in front of me. Throw something at it." And than laying it by screaming "a little bit to the left! No my other left!"

It's not like we are talking about howitzers and stuff where you actually do math.

I'm pretty sure that's not how artillery works, at any level.

[Purpelia]

For the level of shooting I am thinking off you really would not need to estimate that much anyway. I mean, basically you have the squad guy calling fire like "I am at X. Tank is 1000m in front of me. Throw something at it." And than laying it by screaming "a little bit to the left! No my other left!"

It's not like we are talking about howitzers and stuff where you actually do math.

I'm pretty sure that's not how artillery works, at any level.

Not even with something like a light platoon mortar

[Spreewerke]

For the level of shooting I am thinking off you really would not need to estimate that much anyway. I mean, basically you have the squad guy calling fire like "I am at X. Tank is 1000m in front of me. Throw something at it." And than laying it by screaming "a little bit to the left! No my other left!"

It's not like we are talking about howitzers and stuff where you actually do math.

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

[Purpelia]

For the level of shooting I am thinking off you really would not need to estimate that much anyway. I mean, basically you have the squad guy calling fire like "I am at X. Tank is 1000m in front of me. Throw something at it." And than laying it by screaming "a little bit to the left! No my other left!"

It's not like we are talking about howitzers and stuff where you actually do math.

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

[Spirit of Hope]

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

Your soldiers should be trained on basic spotting techniques. It isn't that hard a technique to train in, and it would make life easier.

[Fordorsia]

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

Mortars aren't directed like than anyway, especially the larger ones.

[The Kievan People]

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

You cannot call down anything this way. If you troops are too retarded to understand maps, they just aren't getting artillery. A camera won't tell anyone anything useful without a whole bunch other information.

[Spreewerke]

So, if he's already relaying all relevant coordinates by-voice, again, what point is there in the camera?

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

All you'd need to do to "train" a spotter beyond what you're already doing is to give them a compass or assume they know where shadows come from and what hemisphere they're in.

Never give directions with "left, right, up, or down." That is all subjective. North, East, South, and West is not, and your spotter can even remembers this if they mutter to themselves, "Never Eat Skunk Weiners" just before directing fire.

[Purpelia]

To have the mortar team not have to rely on some idiot shouting "my other left!" without me having to train a proper spotter.

All you'd need to do to "train" a spotter beyond what you're already doing is to give them a compass or assume they know where shadows come from and what hemisphere they're in.

Never give directions with "left, right, up, or down." That is all subjective. North, East, South, and West is not, and your spotter can even remembers this if they mutter to themselves, "Never Eat Skunk Weiners" just before directing fire.

So basically my idea of throwing money at an idiot to make him good enough rather than trying to make him less of an idiot is stupid because ultimately making him less of an idiot is cheaper, simpler and takes less effort overall? I do not think I ever ran into a situation like this before.

[Yukonastan]

Isn't locking all your radios to a single frequency a bad idea, since it's easy to squelch and intercept?

It is, except...

1. 60ghz is a very big frequency band. There is at least a gigahertz of bandwidth to play with there, which is more than the entire HF/VHF/UHF bands that form the backbone of army communications combined.

It's a very high bandwith frequency spectrum, but mm wave really limits you in other ways.
2. The unique properties of 60ghz add an exceptional layer of security. Atmospheric absorption is extreme in this band, so the range at which even a very simple radio with no security measures can be intercepted/jammed is only a few kilometers at most. Propagation is also strictly LOS. Between the atmosphere, the bandwidth and the inefficiency of 60ghz radiation power sources jamming these communications would be highly impractical.[/quote]
You're limited to LoS and what you see with backscatter as a direct result of going to mm wave communications. It's going to be very weak and attenuated. Requiring massive power to jam because of the wave's atmospheric absorption also means massive power to get any kind of range. Besides, it isn't like you're going to be transmitting large amounts of data, so a vastly lower frequency's just fine. And if you go to frequency hopping and 128 bit AES encryption, you're just fine as far as security.

[Valourium]

From left to right, the General-secretary's uniform, a generals' uniform, general infantry commander uniform, and modern cavalry uniform.

Desert combat uniforms:

Urban combat uniforms:

Winter uniforms:


We are working on adapting all combat uniforms, such as we have with the urban and winter, to TALOS system.

[Yukonastan]

I did not notice a lack of depth perception in that video.

You obviously know that "smaller things are farther away," but a lot of your depth perception is brought on by having two eyes. Granted, I think it really only makes a difference "close up," it is still difficult to judge distance with a "zoomed out" camera since it's scaling everything down in an attempt to match natural fields-of-view.

For example, I have to take my Canon PowerShot G7 to 6x magnification before things are displayed on its screen "in real size." Thus, on my camera's "1x" zoom, like what you'd have on the GoPro, everything is 1/6th size simply so it has a wider FOV.

At range, the spacing between your eyes makes no difference for depth perception.

[Spirit of Hope]

All you'd need to do to "train" a spotter beyond what you're already doing is to give them a compass or assume they know where shadows come from and what hemisphere they're in.

Never give directions with "left, right, up, or down." That is all subjective. North, East, South, and West is not, and your spotter can even remembers this if they mutter to themselves, "Never Eat Skunk Weiners" just before directing fire.

So basically my idea of throwing money at an idiot to make him good enough rather than trying to make him less of an idiot is stupid because ultimately making him less of an idiot is cheaper, simpler and takes less effort overall? I do not think I ever ran into a situation like this before.

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

[Yukonastan]

So basically my idea of throwing money at an idiot to make him good enough rather than trying to make him less of an idiot is stupid because ultimately making him less of an idiot is cheaper, simpler and takes less effort overall? I do not think I ever ran into a situation like this before.

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

And should be employed as MPs instead, where they can't harm anyone. =)

[Spreewerke]

You obviously know that "smaller things are farther away," but a lot of your depth perception is brought on by having two eyes. Granted, I think it really only makes a difference "close up," it is still difficult to judge distance with a "zoomed out" camera since it's scaling everything down in an attempt to match natural fields-of-view.

For example, I have to take my Canon PowerShot G7 to 6x magnification before things are displayed on its screen "in real size." Thus, on my camera's "1x" zoom, like what you'd have on the GoPro, everything is 1/6th size simply so it has a wider FOV.

At range, the spacing between your eyes makes no difference for depth perception.

Granted, I think it really only makes a difference "close up,"[....]

[Purpelia]

So basically my idea of throwing money at an idiot to make him good enough rather than trying to make him less of an idiot is stupid because ultimately making him less of an idiot is cheaper, simpler and takes less effort overall? I do not think I ever ran into a situation like this before.

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

How much intelligence could one possibly need in order to take a bullet, scream and maybe die in large numbers?

[The Republic of Lanos]

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

Random stat: 10% of US Army personnel cannot be taught how to read a map and use a compass.

Artillery observers are smarter than the average bunch of soldiers. Ask Tommy Franks. He slogged through Vietnam as a FO.

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

How much intelligence could one possibly need in order to take a bullet, scream and maybe die in large numbers?

Do you even train forward observers to stick in units to direct cannon fire?

[Purpelia]

Do you even train forward observers to stick in units to direct cannon fire?

Well this gear would, as I explained not really be for actual observers but for the average idiot pressed into the role. As in, the average cannon fodder guy that has to step up and guide mortar fire on top of him self to die for the sake of my story.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Do you even train forward observers to stick in units to direct cannon fire?

Well this gear would, as I explained not really be for actual observers but for the average idiot pressed into the role.

It's not the gear. It's the training that counts. You can't replace a trained forward observer with a grunt with some fancy piece of technology that could break by shooting or clumsy handling.

[Purpelia]

Well this gear would, as I explained not really be for actual observers but for the average idiot pressed into the role.

It's not the gear. It's the training that counts. You can't replace a trained forward observer with a grunt with some fancy piece of technology that could break by shooting or clumsy handling.

I got that by now. Still, it's a fun idea to explore playfully. The notion that the best descriptor for infantry is "soon to be corpse dudes".

[Spirit of Hope]

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

How much intelligence could one possibly need in order to take a bullet, scream and maybe die in large numbers?

How much intelligence do you need to think while maneuvering under fire? To have initiative and think about how to fight?

If you hire stupid people to fight you loose out on a lot of potential. Why do you think the US Army and Marines require a high school diploma?

If you are hiring troops they aren't smart enough to work out out how to direct artillery with a compass then they aren't going to be good infantry at all.

Random stat: 10% of US Army personnel cannot be taught how to read a map and use a compass.

Where is that statistic from? Also you don't have to be able to read a map to call in artillery. You just have to be able to read your GPS coordinates and guess distance and direction. And that can even be simplified by having a compass and a range finder of some sort.