The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

[Spreewerke]

You said it was developed by the civilian market, and therefore mall ninja. My deductive reasoning skills, after having read this statement, makes me assume you then consider anything on the civilian market to be mall ninja, just like bumpfire stocks.

I don't feel like there's enough in his initial post to make such a sweeping generalization about how he must feel about all technology developed for civilian markets.

The Surefire magazines are designed for the civilian (read: Mall Ninja) market.

To be quite fair, there is at least one recorded use of US personnel using a SureFire 60-round magazine in combat, so I guess it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... -on-video/

[Black Hand]

I don't feel like there's enough in his initial post to make such a sweeping generalization about how he must feel about all technology developed for civilian markets.

The Surefire magazines are designed for the civilian (read: Mall Ninja) market.

To be quite fair, there is at least one recorded use of US personnel using a SureFire 60-round magazine in combat, so I guess it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... -on-video/

In fairness to a degree if it feeds well enough to do decently in sales/not be considered utter crap, It will at some point end up in the hands of a infantryman somewhere. exchange the term feed with function and you have pretty much ever product on the market

[Spreewerke]

To be quite fair, there is at least one recorded use of US personnel using a SureFire 60-round magazine in combat, so I guess it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... -on-video/

In fairness to a degree if it feeds well enough to do decently in sales/not be considered utter crap, It will at some point end up in the hands of a infantryman somewhere. exchange the term feed with function and you have pretty much ever product on the market

I do not know enough to say this for certain, but I'm pretty sure your company commander or whatever officer is in charge has to approve accessories for your firearm. For example, I know some units disallow soldiers to camouflage their rifles while others let them have at it.

[Lemanrussland]

In fairness to a degree if it feeds well enough to do decently in sales/not be considered utter crap, It will at some point end up in the hands of a infantryman somewhere. exchange the term feed with function and you have pretty much ever product on the market

I do not know enough to say this for certain, but I'm pretty sure your company commander or whatever officer is in charge has to approve accessories for your firearm. For example, I know some units disallow soldiers to camouflage their rifles while others let them have at it.

That's correct. Many companies are quite permissive though.

In 2011, the Army had 4 billion dollars worth of nonstandard equipment in Iraq. Some of that stuff was acquired by individual service members, and some was brought in as part of urgent operational requirements.

[Federal Republic of Aratia]

Just because one military ended up adopting them (and a relatively obscure military at that) doesn't mean they are the best technology for military use.

I never said that. I said that I'd rather have the military version of an already developed weapons technology than a civilian version which has been known to have serious problems. Don't twist my words to find an argument.

And since when do you take sides against anything AK-related?

You said it was developed by the civilian market, and therefore mall ninja. My deductive reasoning skills, after having read this statement, makes me assume you then consider anything on the civilian market to be mall ninja, just like bumpfire stocks. I was simply stating that plenty of military-used items started on the civilian market. Likewise, many civilian items started in the military market. The origins of something aren't what decides whether it's good or not. Whether or not it's a piece of shit does, though. We already know the AK quad-stacks are good-to-go, at least the 50-round version. As for SureFires, I don't care enough to actually check beyond the fact I know their follower design is needlessly complex. MagPul started on the civilian market, as well, so does that mean their products are simply for mall ninjas?

Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. Like Sev said:

You said it was developed by the civilian market, and therefore mall ninja. My deductive reasoning skills, after having read this statement, makes me assume you then consider anything on the civilian market to be mall ninja, just like bumpfire stocks.

I don't feel like there's enough in his initial post to make such a sweeping generalization about how he must feel about all technology developed for civilian markets.

You're just strawmanning a relatively innocuous statement into something you can pick a fight with.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Time for crazy:
13 man section.

Section Leader w/ G3A3 (8x magazines)

Team Leader w/ G3A3 (8x magazines, 8x 40mm)
Automatic Rifleman w/ HK11E (2x drums, 6x magazines)
Rifleman w/ G3A3 (8x magazines, 8x 40mm)
Grenadier w/ G3A4/M79 (6x magazines, 18x 40mm)

Team Leader w/ G3A3 (8x magazines)
Automatic Rifleman w/ HK11E (2x drums, 6x magazines)
Rifleman w/ G3A3 (8x magazines)
Marksman w/ HK11E (8x magazines)

Team Leader w/ G3A3 (8x magazines)
Gunner w/ HK21E (8x belts)
Rifleman w/ G3A3 (8x magazines, 4x belts)
Rifleman w/G3A3 (8x magazines, 4x belts)

Magazines are standard aluminum 20 rounders. Drum magazines are HK pattern 50 round. Belts are 50 round.

I figure that's 2800 rounds for the section to carry. In addition there are grenades and a few Armbrust ATW in the section to whoever can carry them. Each team is capable of fire or maneuver, but the three of them together provide a capability that is unmatched.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You said it was developed by the civilian market, and therefore mall ninja. My deductive reasoning skills, after having read this statement, makes me assume you then consider anything on the civilian market to be mall ninja, just like bumpfire stocks. I was simply stating that plenty of military-used items started on the civilian market. Likewise, many civilian items started in the military market. The origins of something aren't what decides whether it's good or not. Whether or not it's a piece of shit does, though. We already know the AK quad-stacks are good-to-go, at least the 50-round version. As for SureFires, I don't care enough to actually check beyond the fact I know their follower design is needlessly complex. MagPul started on the civilian market, as well, so does that mean their products are simply for mall ninjas?

Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. Like Sev said:

I don't feel like there's enough in his initial post to make such a sweeping generalization about how he must feel about all technology developed for civilian markets.

You're just strawmanning a relatively innocuous statement into something you can pick a fight with.

You're flattering yourself thinking someone as level-headed as spree would go out of his way to pick a fight with you.

[Rich and Corporations]

Yes.

They just decided to use steel 5.45 magazines.



It also was killed when it was rly expensive and like a swiss watch to take apart.

I always called it a Swiss watch as a bit of a joke.

It really wasn't especially complicated. Sure, for a firearm it's a Swiss watch, but for any other piece of machinery not really.

In all likelihood it would have been sent back to an HK factory for repair though, completely eliminating the need for field and unit level small arms maintenance. That saves a lot of money in the end.

notably most western factories can be quite small

[Kouralia]

If werewolves can be discussed, I don't see anime girls with guns being any different.

I'd Id been here for the werewolves...they wouldn't have been discussed.

Why? It was about the use of fantasy creatures and how to integrate them best into a Corps of Infantry... which is covered by this thread. As far as I can tell, FanT-ness doesn't stop someone from being realistic in other areas, does it?

If I use MP's as the primary form of law enforcement...

Then you're doing it all wrong.

Be like Finland, and allow the MPs to go around as secondary law enforcement.

[Puzikas]

Thus we did learn more from RandCs random post that could have been duely ignored hours ago than we would hav, had only he not posted it otherwise.


And lo, did Corda flatter himself, and indeed did Spree allow it to occure. And so the two bickered, until the mods did commeth and strike them down.

And lo, as the mods did commeth, complainants began.


And Arch did Microcaliber, and Aquiz did ballistics, and Ford did...whatever Ford does. Lo,and there it was: Another day in the IDT.



Srsly, infantry stuff.

Personal comms

In a dynamic battlefeild, the ability to keep up with the change of the environment and in situations in a blink of an eye is key for any person in a command position: fron the lowley corporal to the royal Colonial, everyone needs to know whats going on (within their paygrade).

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

[Kouralia]

Thus we did learn more from RandCs random post that could have been duely ignored hours ago than we would hav, had only he not posted it otherwise.


And lo, did Corda flatter himself, and indeed did Spree allow it to occure. And so the two bickered, until the mods did commeth and strike them down.

And lo, as the mods did commeth, complainants began.


And Arch did Microcaliber, and Aquiz did ballistics, and Ford did...whatever Ford does. Lo,and there it was: Another day in the IDT.

I'm curious - what is my 'niche activity' in this equation?

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

The Personal Role Radio is issued to every man. A PRC 349-style Radio and a Dual Role Radio (basically a PRR that has buttons to toggle speaking on the PRR's net or speaking through the PRC - meaning you don't need two separate presles (?) on different cables - one headset, one controller, two antennae) are issued to all Section NCOs and the Platoon Serjeant. Then a larger radio in the style of the UK/PRC355 or UK/PRC356 is issued to anyone designated an RTO and Platoon Commanders. Vehicles tend to have a UK/VRC358-style low power radio or UK/VRC359-style high-power radio. At Company and Battalion level, there are specialist radio vehicles.

[Yukonastan]

Personal comms

In a dynamic battlefeild, the ability to keep up with the change of the environment and in situations in a blink of an eye is key for any person in a command position: fron the lowley corporal to the royal Colonial, everyone needs to know whats going on (within their paygrade).

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Every soldier carries a personal role radio. All radios are networked and will retransmit the message if enabled. In every platoon two people carry bigger radios. Their PRRs have a mode switch and a second PTT button, to allow anyone in the net to use the big radio if needed. These people are the platoon commander and platoon 2IC. It's done like this simply because my platoons operationally split into two sections of ten that fire and maneuver as individual elements as required.

[Purpelia]

Personal comms

In a dynamic battlefeild, the ability to keep up with the change of the environment and in situations in a blink of an eye is key for any person in a command position: fron the lowley corporal to the royal Colonial, everyone needs to know whats going on (within their paygrade).

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

As part of the "Millennium Soldier" program which entered operational testing and limited service this spring every Purpelian infantryman is set to be equipped with a personal role radio equivalent device connected to a power transferring adapter in his helmet. The adapter connects to two external rails allowing for other accessories such as cameras or microphones to be attached. These radios are limited to intra-squad communications and connect to the squads motor vehicle which serves as a hub* and transmits any relevant data to other formations one step around it vertically or horizontally along the organizational axis. This pattern repeats it self ad infinitude as formations grow with the addition of redundant hubs where it is considered necessary. Thus the video feed from a soldiers webcam can be sent to the divisional headquarters if needed. It just takes a few steps.

It is hoped that this new degree of integrated communications will allow our forces to cooperate on a more closer basis and give commanders a much better view of the operational reality of modern highly fluent mechanized warfare.


* The radio units can talk to each other independently. But the vehicle serves as a hub in the sense that it is the node that connects all of them to other units.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So, I'm planning another near-futr ArchCarbine. A gas operated bullpup rifle with 406mm barrel, made largely of printed polymer components and based vaguely on the LMG11. It would fire a caseless 4,6x30/33mm round, and feed from detachable/disposable 150 round box magazines as standard.

Thoughts?

[Spirit of Hope]

Thus we did learn more from RandCs random post that could have been duely ignored hours ago than we would hav, had only he not posted it otherwise.


And lo, did Corda flatter himself, and indeed did Spree allow it to occure. And so the two bickered, until the mods did commeth and strike them down.

And lo, as the mods did commeth, complainants began.


And Arch did Microcaliber, and Aquiz did ballistics, and Ford did...whatever Ford does. Lo,and there it was: Another day in the IDT.

Like Kouralia I wonder what my place in IDT is.

Srsly, infantry stuff.

Personal comms

In a dynamic battlefeild, the ability to keep up with the change of the environment and in situations in a blink of an eye is key for any person in a command position: fron the lowley corporal to the royal Colonial, everyone needs to know whats going on (within their paygrade).

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Everyone, and I do mean everyone, is issued a Combat Information Sharing Device (CISD). The CISD is about the size of a smart phone and in many ways is very similar to a smart phone, the CISD includes radio and GPS and has attachment points for other equipment such as a laser range finder, IR strobe, etc. The CISD can information share between devices, however its range is limited by the radio signal, which is rather short. For long range communications each platoon and company command section is also equipped with a longer ranged and more powerful radio that is part of the CISD network.

[Gallia-]

Thus we did learn more from RandCs random post that could have been duely ignored hours ago than we would hav, had only he not posted it otherwise.


And lo, did Corda flatter himself, and indeed did Spree allow it to occure. And so the two bickered, until the mods did commeth and strike them down.

And lo, as the mods did commeth, complainants began.


And Arch did Microcaliber, and Aquiz did ballistics, and Ford did...whatever Ford does. Lo,and there it was: Another day in the IDT.



Srsly, infantry stuff.

Personal comms

In a dynamic battlefeild, the ability to keep up with the change of the environment and in situations in a blink of an eye is key for any person in a command position: fron the lowley corporal to the royal Colonial, everyone needs to know whats going on (within their paygrade).

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Gallan infantry platoons have an RTO, and the section sergeants have handheld, digital radios.

The sergeants yell loudly at the rest of the enlisted to transmit orders received from platoon headquarters.

[Spirit of Hope]

So, I'm planning another near-futr ArchCarbine. A gas operated bullpup rifle with 406mm barrel, made largely of printed polymer components and based vaguely on the LMG11. It would fire a caseless 4,6x30/33mm round, and feed from detachable/disposable 150 round box magazines as standard.

Thoughts?

Something along the lines of a 3d printable gun then? It is probably doable, though all of the designs I've heard about for such guns so far aren't the most reliable and still require some metal components.

[Bezombia]

(I think that's what both .50 AE and .50 Beowolf were deigned for)

.50 AE was a "How can we make a .50 handgun?", not really designed for any military purpose.
.50 Beowulf was the one designed for border guard vehicle takeouts, etc.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Something along the lines of a 3d printable gun then? It is probably doable, though all of the designs I've heard about for such guns so far aren't the most reliable and still require some metal components.

Kind of. It'd be a bit like the G36, in the sense that all of the metal components (barrel, bolt group and gas system) are contained in a polymer shell. The shell and magazines are the only bits that would actually be printed.

[Vassenor]

Working on a rehash of stuff I've got buried somewhere but worried what I'm going to come out with is going to get derided for being too Call of Duty-ish.

[The Kievan People]

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Though I cannot think of a good place to put the antenna, I would like to issue everyman (and vehicle) a 60ghz (oxygen absorption band) radio.

[Purpelia]

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Though I cannot think of a good place to put the antenna, I would like to issue everyman (and vehicle) a 60ghz (oxygen absorption band) radio.

Helmet mounted to make them look like RC dolls?

[Vassenor]

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

Though I cannot think of a good place to put the antenna, I would like to issue everyman (and vehicle) a 60ghz (oxygen absorption band) radio.

Isn't locking all your radios to a single frequency a bad idea, since it's easy to squelch and intercept?

[Hodori]

Thus we did learn more from RandCs random post that could have been duely ignored hours ago than we would hav, had only he not posted it otherwise.


And lo, did Corda flatter himself, and indeed did Spree allow it to occure. And so the two bickered, until the mods did commeth and strike them down.

And lo, as the mods did commeth, complainants began.


And Arch did Microcaliber, and Aquiz did ballistics, and Ford did...whatever Ford does. Lo,and there it was: Another day in the IDT.

I too am curious as to my role in the IDT cast.

Who is issued comunication equipment in your infantry? To what degree does it travel? Is your standard rifle squad in contact with Company HQ? Are individual soldiers able to radio to one another as needed, via Walkie Talkies or otherwise? Is it only a squad or platoon based radio with limited means of inter-squad/soldier communication, only by talking face to face?

The Personal Role Radio is issued to every man. A PRC 349-style Radio and a Dual Role Radio (basically a PRR that has buttons to toggle speaking on the PRR's net or speaking through the PRC - meaning you don't need two separate presles (?) on different cables - one headset, one controller, two antennae) are issued to all Section NCOs and the Platoon Serjeant. Then a larger radio in the style of the UK/PRC355 or UK/PRC356 is issued to anyone designated an RTO and Platoon Commanders. Vehicles tend to have a UK/VRC358-style low power radio or UK/VRC359-style high-power radio. At Company and Battalion level, there are specialist radio vehicles.

This is essentially the same case for the Hodori Defence Forces.

[The Kievan People]

A conventional monopole/dipole/rubber-ducky antenna doesn't really work at 60-ghz. A half wavelength is only 2.5 millimeters.

Some kind of helmet mounted solution seems like the best option though.