The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Heavy intermediates/light full-power cartridges *cough*7.2x48mm*cough* are always good in my book.

7x33mm Arch or gtfo.

6.5x40mm GPC says hello.

Well, I'm thinking of a see-through, goggle-type-thing with the HUD built into it (kind of like an F-35 helmet, mixed with BAE's new Q-warrior HMD), and then the hardened visor with the cameras and LCD display flips down over it.
So they can view and utilise the HUD whether the visor is up or down.

I could see that working well enough. The only problem I can think of at this point is that you have essentially killed one bird with two stones. A gross misapplication of stones to be certain.

Well, I wanted a HUD on a helmet, so transparent HUD faceplate. Then I wanted tougher face protections, so hard-armour faceplate.
Then I wanted to be able to see when my batteries died, so flippy faceplate.
I'm intending to issue this to all combat units, and they've already got built-in mics/speakers, comms, HUDs, cooling-systems, HMIs and other fun things which are reliant on/draining the battery.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

...assist Tue[<--- Right here.] wearer?

Fucking autocorrect.

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6.5x40mm GPC says hello.

6,5x43mm IWK says get rekt.

I'm intending to issue this to all combat units, and they've already got built-in mics/speakers, comms, HUDs, cooling-systems, HMIs and other fun things which are reliant on/draining the battery.

I can see all of that being a bit hard on batteries.

Let me think. . . ArchSec carries, in addition to the visor, a smartphone, Bluetooth headset and modified Beretta iProtect system. Not a lot now that I think about it.

[New Visegrad]

So to get the discussion going, what sort of ATGM does your infantry use?

SVMS (Standard Versatile Missile System) projectiles, usually around 60mm, launched from handheld and armour-mounted VMACS (Versatile Missile Acceleration & Control System) open-rail launchers and box racks.
Once launched, an SVMS can function in several ways:
1. Accept targeting information from user's systems and execute
2. Accept targeting information from starship ops or field command centre and execute
3. Slave to external missile control system, await orders (usually ordered to join a gathering missile swarm for an area strike)
4. Pop up and enter a holding pattern, await orders
5. Fly directly forwards from launcher and detonate on impact or other fuse trigger
6. Enter autonomous mode, use data from own sensors and orbital/nearby assets to locate and engage targets

SVMS are also used in various sizes as starship, aircraft, and vehicle-launched missiles. They can be fitted with a variety of payloads, from electronic warfare to antimatter or recon.

WIP: ESI Keitani-Kuiper AGPG Siege Rifle
Advanced Guided Projectile Gauss Siege Rifle to replace the Sentinel Siege Rifle.
Edit: the main thing I'm looking for feedback on here is whether to link the stock to the bottom of the grip, as seen on other ESI weapons.

[Yukonastan]

So to get the discussion going, what sort of ATGM does your infantry use?

SVMS (Standard Versatile Missile System) projectiles, usually around 60mm, launched from handheld and armour-mounted VMACS (Versatile Missile Acceleration & Control System) open-rail launchers and box racks.
Once launched, an SVMS can function in several ways:
1. Accept targeting information from user's systems and execute
2. Accept targeting information from starship ops or field command centre and execute
3. Slave to external missile control system, await orders (usually ordered to join a gathering missile swarm for an area strike)
4. Pop up and enter a holding pattern, await orders
5. Fly directly forwards from launcher and detonate on impact or other fuse trigger
6. Enter autonomous mode, use data from own sensors and orbital/nearby assets to locate and engage targets

SVMS are also used in various sizes as starship, aircraft, and vehicle-launched missiles. They can be fitted with a variety of payloads, from electronic warfare to antimatter or recon.

WIP: ESI Keitani-Kuiper AGPG Siege Rifle
Advanced Guided Projectile Gauss Siege Rifle to replace the Sentinel Siege Rifle.
Edit: the main thing I'm looking for feedback on here is whether to link the stock to the bottom of the grip, as seen on other ESI weapons.

In regards to the rifle, if it's a recognizeable trait of ESI rifles (i.e. it's got a thumbhole stock it's probably an ESI), then link it. I'd play with the stock slightly, and let the magwell run in the opposite direction, without changing height too much. Then just thumbhole that sucker.

[New Visegrad]

In regards to the rifle, if it's a recognizeable trait of ESI rifles (i.e. it's got a thumbhole stock it's probably an ESI), then link it. I'd play with the stock slightly, and let the magwell run in the opposite direction, without changing height too much. Then just thumbhole that sucker.

Not bad. I think I'll roll with it. Probably add an access panel behind the initial propulsion coils to break up the flat surface a bit.

[Purpelia]

Does anyone here know anything about lasers? Basically I want to know if there is anything at all about the construction of a laser weapon that would make the length of the projector count toward it's killynes.

[Novorden]

Updated:
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Standard Rifle with: 25 round mag, 500mm barrel, EOTech sights.
Light Support Weapon with: 50 round casket mag, 750mm HBAR barrel, 4x adjustable sights
Marksman Rifle with: 15 round mag, 800mm barrel, 8x ajustable scope

I've been telling you this for years.
Stop making the rest of us look bad with your superior artwork!

Too be fair

[Imperializt Russia]

Does anyone here know anything about lasers? Basically I want to know if there is anything at all about the construction of a laser weapon that would make the length of the projector count toward it's killynes.

Danton et al have consistently pointed out that "barrel length" of a laser is a sheer irrelevance.

[Purpelia]

Does anyone here know anything about lasers? Basically I want to know if there is anything at all about the construction of a laser weapon that would make the length of the projector count toward it's killynes.

Danton et al have consistently pointed out that "barrel length" of a laser is a sheer irrelevance.

Who is he?

[Imperializt Russia]

Triplebaconation.
How have you not noticed literally everyone calling him Danton or "Dtn"?

[Purpelia]

Triplebaconation.
How have you not noticed literally everyone calling him Danton or "Dtn"?

Who? I think I've missed something.

[Puzikas]

Trifectaporkfatstate.

[Bezombia]

Triplebaconation.
How have you not noticed literally everyone calling him Danton or "Dtn"?

Who? I think I've missed something.

Triplebaconation. He's a regular here.

[Gallia-]

Danton et al have consistently pointed out that "barrel length" of a laser is a sheer irrelevance.

Who is he?

We've all been asking ourselves this same question since the dawn of time (2009).

[Yukonastan]

Does anyone here know anything about lasers? Basically I want to know if there is anything at all about the construction of a laser weapon that would make the length of the projector count toward it's killynes.

How well you can focus the beam without melting your optics is the most important consideration, and it's easier to focus with a longer stack of lenses that are ground flatter, as you don't need as much precision in your focusing unit to focus accurately. Remember that you want the light to go from approximately six cm or larger at the "muzzle" of the laser rifle to a pinpoint of maximum one mm at the target.

Which also means you need a laser rangefinder on the gun. Low-power mode on the main tube, shining a harmlessly small laser, to aim and rangefind, then BANG! The harmless little laser dot explodes with the target impact of a rifle round.

Novorden, stop trolling us please.

[NDF]

Quesssstioooon D:

30x175mm how big of a single load, rifle would I need to make it dampen the recoil enough to use it?

[Purpelia]

How well you can focus the beam without melting your optics is the most important consideration, and it's easier to focus with a longer stack of lenses that are ground flatter, as you don't need as much precision in your focusing unit to focus accurately. Remember that you want the light to go from approximately six cm or larger at the "muzzle" of the laser rifle to a pinpoint of maximum one mm at the target.

That is true. But I honestly do not know enough about designing a laser to figure out how that relates to stuff.

Which also means you need a laser rangefinder on the gun. Low-power mode on the main tube, shining a harmlessly small laser, to aim and rangefind, then BANG! The harmless little laser dot explodes with the target impact of a rifle round.

Well I was actually thinking of something more along the lines of a pulsing laser than just a single beam. Basically you press the trigger and the thing just goes full auto on your enemy at a million rounds a minute (figure of speech, but pulsed lasers are a real thing). So I would have a separate laser range finder underneath the main barrel where the gas tube was.

But basically I guess you could ground my question down to "Is a laser rifle going to be roughly rifle shaped?".

[Yukonastan]

How well you can focus the beam without melting your optics is the most important consideration, and it's easier to focus with a longer stack of lenses that are ground flatter, as you don't need as much precision in your focusing unit to focus accurately. Remember that you want the light to go from approximately six cm or larger at the "muzzle" of the laser rifle to a pinpoint of maximum one mm at the target.

That is true. But I honestly do not know enough about designing a laser to figure out how that relates to stuff.

Which also means you need a laser rangefinder on the gun. Low-power mode on the main tube, shining a harmlessly small laser, to aim and rangefind, then BANG! The harmless little laser dot explodes with the target impact of a rifle round.

Well I was actually thinking of something more along the lines of a pulsing laser than just a single beam. Basically you press the trigger and the thing just goes full auto on your enemy at a million rounds a minute (figure of speech, but pulsed lasers are a real thing). So I would have a separate laser range finder underneath the main barrel where the gas tube was.

But basically I guess you could ground my question down to "Is a laser rifle going to be roughly rifle shaped?".

First part, yes. Second part, it's already going to be pulsed to be able to penetrate a foot or so. But if you're using a pulse laser (Nanosecond pulses to deliver 4kJ on target in about fifty pulses eg 80J per pulse, all that in less than a twentieth of a second) with a capacitor bank or other close-to-feasible energy storage system, then it would need time to charge. Depending on your power supply, the time to charge would allow 1200 "rounds"/pulsebursts per minute, or lower. You're not going to have a continuous beam from your laser rifle without some significant technological advances.

Overall question, yes. It will be.

[Gallia-]

[Yukonastan]

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I'm aware of these two principles, please clarify how they relate.

[Purpelia]

First part, yes.

In that case, would it be plausible to claim that the size of the laser projector is roughly the same as that of a barrel and bolt for a modern rifle?

Second part, it's already going to be pulsed to be able to penetrate a foot or so. But if you're using a pulse laser (Nanosecond pulses to deliver 4kJ on target in about fifty pulses eg 80J per pulse, all that in less than a twentieth of a second) with a capacitor bank or other close-to-feasible energy storage system, then it would need time to charge. Depending on your power supply, the time to charge would allow 1200 "rounds"/pulsebursts per minute, or lower. You're not going to have a continuous beam from your laser rifle without some significant technological advances.

Well the energy storage system thing is basically going to be handwaved as being some sort of futurebattery. It has to be. It's for FT anyway so that much I can get away with. Even if I am trying to not get away with too much.

But even working with your values. 1200 pulses / minute worth of recharging for a weapon that fires at 100 pulses / second (50 pulses per 1/20 seconds) gives me 12 seconds out of each minute worth of continuous firing. Which should be more than adequate for an infantry rifle. Especially for something that is going to have perfect accuracy.

[Gallia-]

One would think it would be obvious.

Allow me to post a more judicious example:

[Yukonastan]

First part, yes.

In that case, would it be plausible to claim that the size of the laser projector is roughly the same as that of a barrel and bolt for a modern rifle?

Second part, it's already going to be pulsed to be able to penetrate a foot or so. But if you're using a pulse laser (Nanosecond pulses to deliver 4kJ on target in about fifty pulses eg 80J per pulse, all that in less than a twentieth of a second) with a capacitor bank or other close-to-feasible energy storage system, then it would need time to charge. Depending on your power supply, the time to charge would allow 1200 "rounds"/pulsebursts per minute, or lower. You're not going to have a continuous beam from your laser rifle without some significant technological advances.

Well the energy storage system thing is basically going to be handwaved as being some sort of futurebattery. It has to be. It's for FT anyway so that much I can get away with. Even if I am trying to not get away with too much.

But even working with your values. 1200 pulses / minute worth of recharging for a weapon that fires at 100 pulses / second (50 pulses per 1/20 seconds) gives me 12 seconds out of each minute worth of continuous firing. Which should be more than adequate for an infantry rifle. Especially for something that is going to have perfect accuracy.

Problem is that your high-drain power supply doesn't have the capacity for more than fifty pulses and needs to recharge in between shots. Yes, it recharges quickly, for 20 rounds per second, but it won't be a continuous beam.

[Purpelia]

Problem is that your high-drain power supply doesn't have the capacity for more than fifty pulses and needs to recharge in between shots. Yes, it recharges quickly, for 20 rounds per second, but it won't be a continuous beam.

Why is that a problem? This is not meant to be a machine gun that fires continuously. You just point it at an enemy, squeeze the trigger and release within a second at most. Just as if you were squeezing off a single round or two in semi auto. So you should not run into capacity issues unless you plan on engaging more than 12 targets within a single minute.

[Yukonastan]

Problem is that your high-drain power supply doesn't have the capacity for more than fifty pulses and needs to recharge in between shots. Yes, it recharges quickly, for 20 rounds per second, but it won't be a continuous beam.

Why is that a problem? This is not meant to be a machine gun that fires continuously. You just point it at an enemy, squeeze the trigger and release within a second at most. Just as if you were squeezing off a single round or two in semi auto. So you should not run into capacity issues unless you plan on engaging more than 12 targets within a single minute.

You only store 4kJ in your immediate availability cap bank. That needs to be recharged after every shot.