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Who will be the next Master of Ceremonies for the new Infantry Discussion Thread?

Purpelia
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11%
Dread Lady Nanticana
5
8%
Aqizithiuda
6
10%
Transnapastain
6
10%
GEUTest
2
3%
Nirvash Type TheEND
15
24%
Kouralia
18
29%
Assorted Sucrose Based Lifeforms
4
6%
 
Total votes : 63

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:25 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Depending of the fuse, it may or may not detonate in body if they're not wearing armour. In body detonation without a armour will likely remove limbs and take out large chunks of meat. Even if it did detonate after exiting the body, shrapnel would probably kill the victim and anyone within 0.75-1m.

If it hits a plate, though, I suspect it would partially penetrate the plate before detonating, turning any ceramics into shrapnel while blowing a hole in the chest behind the plate.


It would likely need to hit a point near a limb to pull off a chunk of flesh large enough to sever a limb. The round, assuming detonation, would likely kill the individual pretty much anywhere it hit in the lovely square of death that everyone has. Blood loss, shock, cardiac arrest, fragmentation and burns are all going to happen in addition to the trauma inflicted by the 12.7mm round, which, I probably dont need to tell you, is pretty massive.


I was assuming that the limb was hit, FWIW.

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I feel like more 40mm grenades couldn't hurt. American squads seem to carry more, at any rate.

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Postby Crookfur » Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:56 pm

Padnak wrote:
Allanea wrote:Clearly we should buy Padnak a machete.


A machete blade is fairly dull and not very stabby.


I actually own one myself (saw it at Canadian tire and I couldn't help myself), but just had this image of someone charging with one strapped onto the end of their gun

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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:36 pm

Top or bottom?
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Postby EsToVnIa » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:37 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:I feel like more 40mm grenades couldn't hurt. American squads seem to carry more, at any rate.p


Even with the RPG-7?
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:07 pm

Estovnia wrote:Even with the RPG-7?

I imagine it couldn't hurt. Too, there will likely be situations where an RPG will be overkill.
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Postby Proskoya » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:12 pm

Estovnia wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:I feel like more 40mm grenades couldn't hurt. American squads seem to carry more, at any rate.p


Even with the RPG-7?

If you were to have as many options as 40mm for the RPG-7, you'd be carrying WAY too many rockets. A good combination of 40mm smoke grenades and fragmentation grenades ought to cover most things.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:31 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Estovnia wrote:Even with the RPG-7?

I imagine it couldn't hurt. Too, there will likely be situations where an RPG will be overkill.


How.

Many of the targets a 40mm is to hit an RPG-7 can hit and would be more effective to hit as well.

RPGs are bad anyway.

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Postby Gallia- » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:32 pm

If that's supposed to be 40x46mm it's too short.

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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:35 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:I imagine it couldn't hurt. Too, there will likely be situations where an RPG will be overkill.


How.

Many of the targets a 40mm is to hit an RPG-7 can hit and would be more effective to hit as well.

RPGs are bad anyway.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:41 pm

They are AT4CS for anti-armor/anti-fortification work. Not LAWs, however M72s may be issued.

AT rifle grenades are to hit the sides of things like IFVs.

HE-FRAG rifle grenades are for infantry.
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:10 pm

40mm grenades should probably be doubled in length.

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Postby Ulfr-Reich » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:52 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Ulfr-Reich wrote:snip


And you wonder why I lost any respect for you as a person.



I still have no idea what the fuck your on about.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Ulfr-Reich wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
And you wonder why I lost any respect for you as a person.



I still have no idea what the fuck your on about.


Your obsession with causing as much pain, death and destruction as possible to anything that even remotely opposes you, and I'm not talking about on NS, but rather your views on warfare as a whole.
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Allanea
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Postby Allanea » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Destroying the opponent's military is one of the points of warfare. See Clausewitz.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:10 pm

Allanea wrote:Destroying the opponent's military is one of the points of warfare. See Clausewitz.


Of course it is, but murder and the destruction of anything to do with said opponent isn't, which is the opposite of what Uflr believes. When someone believes that mercy shouldn't have anything to do with warfare, then you should expect them to be a bit of a psychopath.
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Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

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Postby Bezombia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:13 pm

What's the point in annexing other territories if you've reduced those territories to dust?

Of course the only conflicts that Benomia's been in in recent history have all been halfway across the globe where we had no vested interest in keeping the territory fertile but I digress.
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:13 pm

Salt the women, rape the earth.

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Postby New Tsavon » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:14 pm

Fordorsia wrote:Your obsession with causing as much pain, death and destruction as possible to anything that even remotely opposes you, and I'm not talking about on NS, but rather your views on warfare as a whole.

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Postby Bezombia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:16 pm

Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.

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Postby New Visegrad » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:23 pm

Fordorsia wrote:Top or bottom?
(Image)

Bottom. I think the top would fit better with a more curved blade.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:25 pm

Yukonastan wrote:dis gon be gud, beno getting slammed by a summer kiddie who obviously knows sooooo much more.

Which "barrer firty calibre" rifle are you referring to?

M82A1, M82A2, M82A3?
M95?
M99?
XM107?
M107A1?

Which one?

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Burn the women, rape the churches.

Fordorsia wrote:Of course it is, but murder and the destruction of anything to do with said opponent isn't, which is the opposite of what Uflr believes. When someone believes that mercy shouldn't have anything to do with warfare, then you should expect them to be a bit of a psychopath.

The last part of that was neither tactful nor necessary.

Gallia- wrote:40mm grenades should probably be doubled in length.

Second the notion.

Fordorsia wrote:Top or bottom?
(Image)

Bottom. Better point for poking structurally speaking.

Anyway, I have no idea what to do now, so I guess it's on to updating my shotgun and sniper rifle?
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Postby Bezombia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:28 pm

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No I mean when someone is shot by an SVDK they're killed, brought back to life, and then killed again just because of SVDKGLORY®


why do you suck putins deck so much? migt as well just use barret firty calibre like all other cod kid?


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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:28 pm

New Tsavon wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Your obsession with causing as much pain, death and destruction as possible to anything that even remotely opposes you, and I'm not talking about on NS, but rather your views on warfare as a whole.

"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."


Yeah, just look at how quickly the fall of Rome, the Hundred Years' War, the Napoleonic Wars and the Vietnam War all ended, and they're all amongst the most bloody conflicts in history. Aiming to cause your opponent as much death and misery as possible for no other reason than "it's how warriors are supposed to do it" is retarded and only makes things worse in the long run.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:30 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
New Tsavon wrote:"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."


Yeah, just look at how quickly the fall of Rome, the Hundred Years' War, the Napoleonic Wars and the Vietnam War all ended, and they're all amongst the most bloody conflicts in history. Aiming to cause your opponent as much death and misery as possible for no other reason than "it's how warriors are supposed to do it" is retarded and only makes things worse in the long run.

Cruel != bloody. You can have a war with a lot of death but little cruelty. And conversely you can have a war with little death but extraordinarily cruelty when it occurs.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Allanea » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:30 pm

Since when is the Vietnam war among the most bloody conflicts in world history?

(Of course, Vietnam is famous for the restrictive SOPs the Americans operated under.)
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