NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Velkanika]

If we're fighting aliens it might be time to activate the Xcom Project.

[Oaledonia]

If we're fighting aliens it might be time to activate the Xcom Project.

Or a Strike Witches program, for :FanT Morale:

[Anomalous Research and Containment-]

That happens to be the spacecraft in question.

What if placed out of range for ASMs?

Orions are silly in concept. You litterally nuke yourself when they go to orbit, then whenever they manuver they EMP whatever happens to be below the first gamma ray burst. They then releave hypervelocity fragments into hundreds of altidues and inclinations which makes thing hazardous for other space craft, the radiation burst can easily damage any other space craft within a few thousand miles, and they're rediculously massive.

You cannot hide them and you cannot outrange ASAT weapons. If you're in LEO, an F-15 can cripple you. If you're higher up, they can hit you with a glorified sounding rocket or kill sat. They could even bust out some high-powered lasers and zap your optics/crack a window if they want to leave you with no warning. If you go up high enough, it will take about 3 hours for any weapons you or the enemy uses to get to where they're going.

You're thinking along the right lines but have a long ways to go. Kennedy shut down Project Orion as it was mostly a gag proposal for somethink they could do if they really wanted to.

*Literally
*Relase
*Altitude
*Ridiculously
*Something

It never went beyond napkins and was a pre-spaceflight craft, but it's better than most things NS proposes including powering neighbourhoods with a single RTG, and tracking space debris with orbital satellites.

1) SRBs.
2) Not much larger than a Saturn V.
3) ASAT would have trouble reaching geostationary orbit.
4) What is a window?
5) 3 hours is fast enough to nuke Moscow.
6) Pretty sure that was the only gag involving Orion.

[The IASM]

That happens to be the spacecraft in question.

What if placed out of range for ASMs?

Orions are silly in concept. You litterally nuke yourself when they go to orbit, then whenever they manuver they EMP whatever happens to be below the first gamma ray burst. They then releave hypervelocity fragments into hundreds of altidues and inclinations which makes thing hazardous for other space craft, the radiation burst can easily damage any other space craft within a few thousand miles, and they're rediculously massive.

You cannot hide them and you cannot outrange ASAT weapons. If you're in LEO, an F-15 can cripple you. If you're higher up, they can hit you with a glorified sounding rocket or kill sat. They could even bust out some high-powered lasers and zap your optics/crack a window if they want to leave you with no warning. If you go up high enough, it will take about 3 hours for any weapons you or the enemy uses to get to where they're going.

You're thinking along the right lines but have a long ways to go. Kennedy shut down Project Orion as it was mostly a gag proposal for somethink they could do if they really wanted to.

1. One: launch the Nuclear pulse propulsion spacecraft in a relatively isolated place such as an uninhabited island in the middle of no where. Two: why do you need to launch it on earth? Three: if someone is clearful enough to build such a craft, isn't I wise not to avoid hitting any satellites?
2. Yes I cannot hide NSPSC but I can quiet simpily let gravity take course if I'm at a high enough altitude - also your point about them deploying an even larger weapon can be quite easily met by simpily moving out of the way and our pacing them. Remember they have to get though the entire atmosphere and gravity and the NSPSC only need to increase their velocity by a somewhat significant amount in order to avoid such a rocket.
3. Say it with me: windows are a structural weakness, we do not use them
4. The weapons I plan on using are not nuclear, but rods from god which are expensive but none the less, incredibly useful weapons as they cannot easily be destroyed and can cause a lot of damage where ether they hit.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Orions are silly in concept. You litterally nuke yourself when they go to orbit, then whenever they manuver they EMP whatever happens to be below the first gamma ray burst. They then releave hypervelocity fragments into hundreds of altidues and inclinations which makes thing hazardous for other space craft, the radiation burst can easily damage any other space craft within a few thousand miles, and they're rediculously massive.

You cannot hide them and you cannot outrange ASAT weapons. If you're in LEO, an F-15 can cripple you. If you're higher up, they can hit you with a glorified sounding rocket or kill sat. They could even bust out some high-powered lasers and zap your optics/crack a window if they want to leave you with no warning. If you go up high enough, it will take about 3 hours for any weapons you or the enemy uses to get to where they're going.

You're thinking along the right lines but have a long ways to go. Kennedy shut down Project Orion as it was mostly a gag proposal for somethink they could do if they really wanted to.

1. One: launch the Nuclear pulse propulsion spacecraft in a relatively isolated place such as an uninhabited island in the middle of no where. Two: why do you need to launch it on earth? Three: if someone is clearful enough to build such a craft, isn't I wise not to avoid hitting any satellites?
2. Yes I cannot hide NSPSC but I can quiet simpily let gravity take course if I'm at a high enough altitude - also your point about them deploying an even larger weapon can be quite easily met by simpily moving out of the way and our pacing them. Remember they have to get though the entire atmosphere and gravity and the NSPSC only need to increase their velocity by a somewhat significant amount in order to avoid such a rocket.
3. Say it with me: windows are a structural weakness, we do not use them
4. The weapons I plan on using are not nuclear, but rods from god which are expensive but none the less, incredibly useful weapons as they cannot easily be destroyed and can cause a lot of damage where ether they hit.

The idea of "Rods from God" is brought up on this thread just about every week, and just about every week it is decisively debunked. To save my time and yours, I suggest you just search 'rods from god' and similar terms in the 'search this topic' box, and in a little while you'll likely come across one of the past discussions on the subject.

[Oaledonia]

1. One: launch the Nuclear pulse propulsion spacecraft in a relatively isolated place such as an uninhabited island in the middle of no where. Two: why do you need to launch it on earth? Three: if someone is clearful enough to build such a craft, isn't I wise not to avoid hitting any satellites?
2. Yes I cannot hide NSPSC but I can quiet simpily let gravity take course if I'm at a high enough altitude - also your point about them deploying an even larger weapon can be quite easily met by simpily moving out of the way and our pacing them. Remember they have to get though the entire atmosphere and gravity and the NSPSC only need to increase their velocity by a somewhat significant amount in order to avoid such a rocket.
3. Say it with me: windows are a structural weakness, we do not use them
4. The weapons I plan on using are not nuclear, but rods from god which are expensive but none the less, incredibly useful weapons as they cannot easily be destroyed and can cause a lot of damage where ether they hit.

The idea of "Rods from God" is brought up on this thread just about every week, and just about every week it is decisively debunked. To save my time and yours, I suggest you just search 'rods from god' and similar terms in the 'search this topic' box, and in a little while you'll likely come across one of the past discussions on the subject.

Rods From God =\= Orion.

[Imperializt Russia]

Orion is not what IASM was suggesting.
Or, he was suggesting using an ORION deploying rods from God.

[Oaledonia]

Orion is not what IASM was suggesting.
Or, he was suggesting using an ORION deploying rods from God.

Oh.
Who needs a ground army? Just use Orions.

[Vakarians]

How does my military seem to you? Please see my Facebook entires.

[The IASM]

Orion is not what IASM was suggesting.
Or, he was suggesting using an ORION deploying rods from God.

The latter and where are these debunking arguments please as the search topic box is turning out nothing.

Edit: nether mind, also as I'm designing a new fictional world for a novel I plan to write , may I ask may someone help me create a Russian Stratocracy, its army/navy/airforce and make it plausible for the late 1958s?

[Imperializt Russia]

How does my military seem to you? Please see my Facebook entires.

Walkers are broadly infeasible, Rods from God are questionable on a number of levels.
Your Gunship uses a "high impulse thermobaric missile launcher". There's no real need for it to be a notably high-impulse weapon. Thermobarics are for infantry or armoured vehicles in the open, or use against structures and fortifications. They can't exactly move fast enough to run out of range of a thermobaric missile.

Also, DU on an aircraft is probably a complete no. DU is very heavy.
Stick to steel (or aluminium), and throw in some composites for lightweight protection. The fuselage shouldn't really be armoured at all, as this needlessly increases weight for little gain and could cause penetrating rounds to ricochet about. An unarmoured fuselage would allow penetrating rounds to penetrate cleanly through.

[The Akasha Colony]

How does my military seem to you? Please see my Facebook entires.

If you're going to ask us to bother reading your factbook page, the least you could do is actually post the links.

[Anacasppia]

Rods from God are:

1) Patently pointless in NS
2) Too costly in RL

As they were originally envisioned, they are also incredibly vulnerable - put on satellites that'll inevitably be known about by potential adversaries and brought down by ASATs at the first sign of hostilities. That, and what they do can by ICBMs, and better; far cheaper, easier to conceal, and lower time to target.

There might be something of a case for such weapons on a space vessel like the Orion (in the sense that they're far harder for adversaries to get at), but if you're already putting weapons on space vessels, why stop at 'rods from God'? Nuclear-tipped missiles make more sense, especially since any rod from God wouldn't be quite distinguishable from a nuclear missile anyway, and would be reacted to as such.

Who needs a ground army? Just use Orions.

In the grim darkness of the far future, EXTERMINATUS is performed by Orions!!!

[Vakarians]

How does my military seem to you? Please see my Facebook entires.

Walkers are broadly infeasible, Rods from God are questionable on a number of levels.
Your Gunship uses a "high impulse thermobaric missile launcher". There's no real need for it to be a notably high-impulse weapon. Thermobarics are for infantry or armoured vehicles in the open, or use against structures and fortifications. They can't exactly move fast enough to run out of range of a thermobaric missile.

Also, DU on an aircraft is probably a complete no. DU is very heavy.
Stick to steel (or aluminium), and throw in some composites for lightweight protection. The fuselage shouldn't really be armoured at all, as this needlessly increases weight for little gain and could cause penetrating rounds to ricochet about. An unarmoured fuselage would allow penetrating rounds to penetrate cleanly through.

How can I demonstrate my wealth and military size effectively then?

[Vakarians]

How does my military seem to you? Please see my Facebook entires.

If you're going to ask us to bother reading your factbook page, the least you could do is actually post the links.

New to forms. I don't know how. Sorry

[Oaledonia]

Useless? I'll have you know that I use them to spam carrier groups to the bottom.

[Anomalous Research and Containment-]

Useless? I'll have you know that I use them to spam carrier groups to the bottom.

wow moe like miss carrier groups

ups i hit a frigate with 5000 crowbars

[Oaledonia]

Useless? I'll have you know that I use them to spam carrier groups to the bottom.

wow moe like miss carrier groups

ups i hit a frigate with 5000 crowbars

Not if I missile spam the ocean, I'll hit something.
Anyways, I need to TG Galla-chan about how I can use certain powers my peps have.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Hey,

Would anyone be willing to suggest a decent assault gun/tank destroyer for use by a semi-realistic PMC? Something light weight, decent range and speed, reasonably cheap, preferably wheeled.

[Velkanika]

If you're going to ask us to bother reading your factbook page, the least you could do is actually post the links.

New to forms. I don't know how. Sorry

The url for the page inside the [url]tags works. You can also use [url=]to turn text into the link [url=google.com]like so[/url]. Just don't clip the link like I did to break the formatting and it'll work.

[Oaledonia]

New to forms. I don't know how. Sorry

The url for the page inside the [url]tags works. You can also use [url=]to turn text into the link [url=google.com]like so[/url].

Epic fail?

[Oaledonia]

Hey,

Would anyone be willing to suggest a decent assault gun/tank destroyer for use by a semi-realistic PMC? Something light weight, decent range and speed, reasonably cheap, preferably wheeled.

MVC. Cuz I'm addicted to it.

[Anomalous Research and Containment-]

wow moe like miss carrier groups

ups i hit a frigate with 5000 crowbars

Not if I missile spam the ocean, I'll hit something.
Anyways, I need to TG Galla-chan about how I can use certain powers my peps have.

Hi.

[Imperializt Russia]

Hey,

Would anyone be willing to suggest a decent assault gun/tank destroyer for use by a semi-realistic PMC? Something light weight, decent range and speed, reasonably cheap, preferably wheeled.

AMX-10RC
Stryker MGS

[The Soodean Imperium]

Walkers are broadly infeasible, Rods from God are questionable on a number of levels.
Your Gunship uses a "high impulse thermobaric missile launcher". There's no real need for it to be a notably high-impulse weapon. Thermobarics are for infantry or armoured vehicles in the open, or use against structures and fortifications. They can't exactly move fast enough to run out of range of a thermobaric missile.

Also, DU on an aircraft is probably a complete no. DU is very heavy.
Stick to steel (or aluminium), and throw in some composites for lightweight protection. The fuselage shouldn't really be armoured at all, as this needlessly increases weight for little gain and could cause penetrating rounds to ricochet about. An unarmoured fuselage would allow penetrating rounds to penetrate cleanly through.

How can I demonstrate my wealth and military size effectively then?

In simple terms, with an effective and realistic military.

To the inexperienced, walkers, supertech gunships, and supposedly bulletproof fighters might seem impressive. But to anyone with a knowledge of real-world military technology, they have the opposite effect - they make it look like you don't know what you're doing. Anyone can post a few futuristic-looking images and make superb claims about their military, and most NSers do (unfortunately). But if you want to stand out, prepare something that is well-researched and makes sense.

Take navies, for example. I could care less if one of my rivals squandered trillions of dollars on a 1-kilometer-long catamaran-hulled stealth dreadnought/carrier combo as their flagship. But if one of my rivals has eleven carrier battlegroups and is using them intelligently to restrict my naval influence, that makes me much, much more concerned for national security.

Or, on a higher level, you could turn your attention to goals other than showing off how wealthy and powerful your military is. Players that consistently go over the top acting like their nation is stronger than all the others will soon find lots of other people making the same claims, and will more often than not end up gathering a bad reputation.